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Overclocking the old man 2700X and upgrading discussion

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello guys. I open this thread to talk about my overclocking experience on my 2700X as well as to seek discussion and debate from you guys on that.

Without further ado I'll first list the hardware config:

- Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K3

- Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 Special Edition (this beast runs very stably and nicely at 1430MHz core and 2100MHz mem clock respectively)

- An X-Calibre (who knows the brand) 500W 80 plus white PSU

- An Orient cheap ass case (you can see in the photo), with only one molex 90mm fan that I ended up not using, which is why I left it open up for better air conditioning

- 2x8GB LPX 3200MHz CL16, which I'm running at 3GHz CL15 (15-17-34). It cannot run 3200MHz on this board, BSOD immediately

- And finally my 2700X running at 3.95GHz at 1.25625V VCore

 

Before talking about results and numbers I'm running a complete mixed test in AIDA (CPU, FPU, cache, system memory, local disks and GPU stresses) all at the same time, so it makes the whole system, as well as the CPU much hotter than when stressing the CPU alone.

 

First I tried 3.975 at 1.2875, it crashed at 6:23 min at 95C so I decided it won't get much further.

Then I tried 3.95GHz at 1.25 but it crashed at 5 min so I went back to a better number which was 1.25625 but eventually it crashed after 48 mins (95C)

It's so late now and I got a presentation next morning so I think I'll stop the journey for now.

 

Maybe at the end of the week I'll attempt 3.925. Anything above that right now will hit 95C eventually or it'll crash due to low power delivery if I try to low ball Vcore.

 

What do you think of these results? Have I got a bad piece of silicon lottery or it's just the board is too bad? What are your results (if you're running the same thing)?

 

Besides, I'm considering some part for future upgrade. I think I'll keep the 2700X, the RAM and the GPU. Following is a list of possible upgrades once I manage to sell the current parts, in a prioritized order:

- Phantek Eclipse P400A mid tower - 104 euros now on AMZ (recommended by GN) + a couple 120mm and 140mm (maybe 200 if applicable)

- Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite  - 210 euros now on AMZ (also recommended by GN)

- Corsair AX850 Titanium  - 216 euroes now on AMZ (yes you hear me, it's insane but I'm considering something that will accompany me forever, so it's in the plan anyway)

- Corsair Hydro 115i RGB Platinum 280mm AIO - 141 euros now on AMZ (I found this quite well adopted on Amazon. I have very little experience on AIO so I put this in my list for now)

And finally only when everything else is upgraded and I decide to increase game graphics quality, a 2070 Super from EVGA - 545 euros now on AMZ (but that part is still far far away).

 

What do you think of these parts. Personally do you have any better suggestions? Well I was about to dump the thread when the test failed but I don't know maybe some of you will be willing to talk about it so I'll leave it here anyway.

Very much appreciate all of you even if you just read this. It's so long I know.

Hope you all have a good day.

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You're running way too hot at 95c. 

If the cpu was stock, the throttle temp is 90c.

That's why it crashes on you.

 

 


 

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a better PSU+ cooler at 4.2 would have happened.

my 2700 is at 4.0ghz using a quick dirt 1.325V I'll get a better one when I feel like spending the time.


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1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

You're running way too hot at 95c. 

If the cpu was stock, the throttle temp is 90c.

That's why it crashes on you.

 

 

Nope it won't crash at high temp. If it runs hot it'll throttle. Previous test it crashed at 88C. It crashed only because of not enough power delivered.

I used to run 4.1 at 1.39v but it would throttle very quickly.


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I run 4.1ghz multi and leave everything else on auto ?


 

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1 minute ago, mafioso said:

Nope it won't crash at high temp. If it runs hot it'll throttle. Previous test it crashed at 88C. It crashed only because of not enough power delivered.

I used to run 4.1 at 1.39v but it would throttle very quickly.

Yea under-volted, that'll happen. 

 

2700x voltage hog. Lot's of leakage. Causes high temps. 

 

I use the stock cooler on an open table, fans on the VRMs for sure. Gotta cool them too.


 

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Yeah this board is a very cheap x370 board as well. It's a K3 you know. And the fact that it's only x370 is also a big trouble nowadays.


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A super high end PSU is not worth it, seems like 12V only PSU will be a thing in the future so an ATX PSU today may not be useful for that long. Something like a TXM or G2 is already more than durable enough

 

5 minutes ago, mafioso said:

Have I got a bad piece of silicon lottery or it's just the board is too bad?

I'm worried about the board's VRM thermals...

 

K5 has the same VRM and VRM heatsink, just better VRM cooling because there's no stupid plastic blocking airflow, but Buildzoid ran a 1700 instead of a 2700X, which draws less power. That fact that your board didnt shutdown earlier is a sign that it cannot shut itself down when VRM overheats, which is not a good thing.


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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

A super high end PSU is not worth it, seems like 12V only PSU will be a thing in the future so an ATX PSU today may not be useful for that long. Something like a TXM or G2 is already more than durable enough

 

I'm worried about the board's VRM thermals...

 

K5 has the same VRM and VRM heatsink, just better VRM cooling because there's no stupid plastic blocking airflow, but Buildzoid ran a 1700 instead of a 2700X, which draws less power. That fact that your board didnt shutdown earlier is a sign that it cannot shut itself down when VRM overheats, which is not a good thing.

I agree, need to do some cooling on the VRM package area. 

A better Cpu cooler would suffice as well.

 

PSU is OK. hasn't pushed any real voltage yet, VRMs may not be at the over-heat point, but the cpu is.


 

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

A super high end PSU is not worth it, seems like 12V only PSU will be a thing in the future so an ATX PSU today may not be useful for that long. Something like a TXM or G2 is already more than durable enough

 

I'm worried about the board's VRM thermals...

 

K5 has the same VRM and VRM heatsink, just better VRM cooling because there's no stupid plastic blocking airflow, but Buildzoid ran a 1700 instead of a 2700X, which draws less power. That fact that your board didnt shutdown earlier is a sign that it cannot shut itself down when VRM overheats, which is not a good thing.

Yup I agree that the PSU is not very necessary for the specific thing I'm doing but I'm considering it also due to power efficiency as well. At the end of the day it will save me more money than a Gold or Platinum one. I'll consider this carefully.

 

Wow didn't know about this before. It's marked K3 for a reason... definitely need a new one. I just got this only to run the chip and I've always wanted a new one. That's very helpful information.


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Should I just remove all those stupid plastic VRM lids?


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Just now, mafioso said:

I agree that the PSU is not very necessary for the specific thing

yes it is, the one you have is risky

 

1 minute ago, mafioso said:

At the end of the day it will save me more money than a Gold or Platinum one.

Expensive electicity huh? but even at 300w system power draw a Titanium PSU wont save more than 30w and your system wont be under full load all the time, it will take quite a long time before the PSU pays for itself.


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1 minute ago, mafioso said:

Should I just remove all those stupid plastic VRM lids?

I dont think the K3 has any


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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Yeah just taken a look at the video looks like his K5 and my K3 are quite similar. I thought you were talking about those VRM shields. If it doesn't matter I'll leave them be.


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7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

yes it is, the one you have is risky

 

Expensive electicity huh? but even at 300w system power draw a Titanium PSU wont save more than 30w and your system wont be under full load all the time, it will take quite a long time before the PSU pays for itself.

I meant the Titanium PSU isn't necessary for exactly the thing I'm about to do with the system compared to a Gold or Platinum one, not that my current one would suffice, I know mine is terrible so definitely be upgraded alongside with the board.

Because of what you say I might eventually consider a Gold 650 or 750 for 1-2 years instead of the mighty 850W. That might cut the unnecessary cost for the moment.


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@Jurrunio I found a Prime X370-Pro board for 80€. Is it worth the venture over my K3, or should I save up and get an X570 Aorus Elite in the next 3 months?


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20 minutes ago, mafioso said:

@Jurrunio I found a Prime X370-Pro board for 80€. Is it worth the venture over my K3, or should I save up and get an X570 Aorus Elite in the next 3 months?

If you wont upgrade to any AM4 CPU with over 8 cores, sure.


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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Nice thank you.


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