MasterWatt Lite 500w any good?

[stefanMi]

I plan on buying it. I don't need anything fancy, just for it to not blow up and fry my other components. For refrence, my build is a Ryzen 5 1600 and RX580. Never going to overclock

 

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, stefanMi said:

I plan on buying it. I don't need anything fancy, just for it to not blow up and fry my other components. For refrence, my build is a Ryzen 5 1600 and RX580. Never going to overclock

 

wouldn't suggest it for a gaming system, it's more of a si replacement psu. what about something like a cx(m), pure power 11 or any other from the psu tier list that's at least tier c?

[stefanMi]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

wouldn't suggest it for a gaming system, it's more of a si replacement psu. what about something like a cx(m), pure power 11 or any other from the psu tier list that's at least tier c?

sadly none of those are an option, what about a seasonic s12ii 520w?

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, stefanMi said:

sadly none of those are an option, what about a seasonic s12ii 520w?

nope... same problem

 

system power 9 available?

[seon123]

1 minute ago, stefanMi said:

sadly none of those are an option, what about a seasonic s12ii 520w?

Also garbage. Where are you buying from?

[Jurrunio]

lite, means they took something away from the original Masterwatt (which is just ok in the first place), I'd rather not risk it.

 

2 minutes ago, stefanMi said:

sadly none of those are an option, what about a seasonic s12ii 520w?

Doesn't blow up but nothing else good about it.

[OrionFOTL]

14 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

lite, means they took something away from the original Masterwatt

Makes you think that, but it actually has nothing to do with normal Masterwatt. Different OEM too.

14 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Doesn't blow up

Wait until it overheats (from a failed fan or whatever else), then see it blow up due to no OTP...

[stefanMi]

What about EVGA 500W W1? or B1

Edited March 13, 2019 by stefanMi

[Stefan Payne]

38 minutes ago, stefanMi said:

What about EVGA 500W W1? or B1

Why you want such utter garbage?!
Why not get a decent quality PSU??

Its getting worse and worse here it seems...

[Guest]

2 hours ago, stefanMi said:

What about EVGA 500W W1? or B1

Where are you located where only garbage is available?  Seriously.  Where are you?

 

[Ankerson]

17 hours ago, stefanMi said:

sadly none of those are an option, what about a seasonic s12ii 520w?

 

If you can get the S12ii 620 or better yet the 620W M12II EVO that will work fine with your system.

 

However, were are you located so maybe we can suggest some other options.

[seon123]

3 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

If you can get the S12ii 620 or better yet the 620W M12II EVO that will work fine with your system

They are the same PSU, just non modular and modular. And both are garbage. 

[Ankerson]

8 minutes ago, seon123 said:

They are the same PSU, just non modular and modular. And both are garbage. 

 

Ah, no they aren't garbage in any way.

 

Very solid units with a very long track record of solid performance.

 

There are newer better units available like the Focus Plus or G Series though. (S12G or G Series)

[seon123]

6 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

Ah, no they aren't garbage in any way.

 

Very solid units with a very long track record of solid performance.

 

There are newer better units available like the Focus Plus or G Series though. 

They are garbage. They are loud, decade old, group regulated PSUs that lack protections, and are made by a manufacturer that likes to outsource (resulting in worse QC). What part about them is good?

[Ankerson]

12 minutes ago, seon123 said:

They are garbage. They are loud, decade old, group regulated PSUs that lack protections, and are made by a manufacturer that likes to outsource (resulting in worse QC). What part about them is good?

 

 

They are rock solid performers with a very long track record of solid reliable performance. Someone's been filling your head full of BS.

 

Yes, they can be loud though, the fans.

 

I used them myself for YEARS with zero issues on a number of PC's and still have 2 that I retired due to age. (M12ii 620W and M12ii 650W).

 

Are there newer and better units around today, yes, but they will work fine for people that don't have any other choices but complete junk.

 

I use all Prime Titanium's now. 

 

 

[Stefan Payne]

7 hours ago, Ankerson said:

If you can get the S12ii 620 or better yet the 620W M12II EVO that will work fine with your system.

Why do you recommend old, expensive Group regulated units when you can get DC-DC units for the same amount of money?!

You know, the ones that work somewhat with VEGA.

THAT makes NO SENSE!

 

I rather have a Xilence Performance X than an old Seasonic S12II...

 

7 hours ago, Ankerson said:

Ah, no they aren't garbage in any way.

Very solid units with a very long track record of solid performance.

There are newer better units available like the Focus Plus or G Series though. (S12G or G Series)

They are garbage because EVERYONE has far better units that are far superior.

And the "very solid units" is also just Marketing Propaganda. You do not know the failure rates, you do not know the RMA Rates...

And the last time the french site mentioned RMA Rates, Seasonic was pretty bad and at really awful rates.

Like 2,5-5% or so. 

 In Insider circles, everything over 1,5% RMA is considered bad, 2,5% is utter shit.

 

6 hours ago, seon123 said:

They are garbage. They are loud, decade old, group regulated PSUs that lack protections, and are made by a manufacturer that likes to outsource (resulting in worse QC). What part about them is good?

Well, the outsourcing doesn't matter much, IMO, if you know what you're doing and tell the other side to do it right, pay them well for that.

But that doesn't change that the plattform was not that good when it came out almost 10 years ago.

 

FYI:

 

6 hours ago, Ankerson said:

They are rock solid performers with a very long track record of solid reliable performance. Someone's been filling your head full of BS.

Could you pls stop the insults when someone tells you that your recommendation is not good, compared to other available units?!
 

YOu basically recommended a lowest end Unit with some Lipstick put on it.

Hell, even worse than that as those often come with decent Protection and also pretty decent Heatsinks.

Those are really tiny on the S12II Bronze.

 

Protection: No UVP on 12V? No OTP? No OCP on minor rails? No thank you!

If you don't believe it, google "HY-510N" and then look for the Gecid.com review of the M12II-520W

 

6 hours ago, Ankerson said:

Yes, they can be loud though, the fans.

Yes and that is bullshit.

You can get quieter units at the same price from all other manufacturers.

 

6 hours ago, Ankerson said:

I used them myself for YEARS with zero issues on a number of PC's and still have 2 that I retired due to age. (M12ii 620W and M12ii 650W).

Because you used them is not an argument. I could tell you that it shows that you believe the bogus from some Fans and don't really into alternatives.

We do look into alternatives.

At that price point, Wattage is not relevant.

Alternatives are:
Cooler Master Master Watt

Cooler Master Master Watt MWE

be quiet Pure Power 10 and 11

be quiet System Power 9

Corsair CX and VS

 

Hell, even Bitfenix Formula.

 

Of those listed, Master Watt, Pure Power, System Power, new Corsair CX all are independantly regulated.

Master Watt and Corsair VS are Group Regulated but have decent, working protection, aren't as noisy and even better electrical performace!

 

Look at that Roundup:

https://www.computerbase.de/2015-10/350-watt-netzteil-test-lc-power-xilence-sea-sonic-super-flower/3/

 

Even a cheapass Xilence Performance C keeps up with the S12II-Bronze 350W.

And survives the Test, the Seasonic did not! It died due to 3,3V Overload and no OCP in the DC-DC thing!!

 

Yeah Wannabe Japanese Caps out of Chinese Factorys are important - NOT!
Everything else should be good before you look at the caps!

6 hours ago, Ankerson said:

Are there newer and better units around today, yes, but they will work fine for people that don't have any other choices but complete junk.

No, they won't work fine, they are a danger to the Components because Group Regulation, that can force the voltage out of spec - if either 5V or 12V is loaded high and the other is loaded low, the low loaded goes high, the highly loaded goes low. There is no way around that.

 

And also with the right kind of short, the unit will burn your components and not switch off.

 

6 hours ago, Ankerson said:

I use all Prime Titanium's now. 

Yeah and?!
I have a Silverstone ST65F-GS in my Game PC, an 850W Bitfenix Whisper M in the File Server and the ANtec 80W Open Frame unit in this office PC. Well, basically the AC-DC is done by an FSP Brick.

 

So what?!

Does that make me awesome? Not really...

 

But the Seasonic P660 I have causes Reboots with the i7-3930K and the VEGA64 and switches off with the Ryzen 7/1700x...