Should I buy i9 9900k for future proof.

[Brooksie359]

Just now, Earnist_ said:

and then AT SOME POINT IN 2020 IT WILL LOSE SUPPORT AND BE DONE, your just not to smart

Ok let's resort to insults. The point is that AM4 will likely have the 4000 series cpus on it as well. The 9900k is likely going to be not competitive with even the 3000 series cpus. 

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

Ok let's resort to insults. The point is that AM4 will likely have the 4000 series cpus on it as well. The 9900k is likely going to be not competitive with even the 3000 series cpus. 

I'll disagree with you there, the 9900K will be just fine against the 3000 series.  Sure it is more expensive and runs hotter, but let's fully see the 3000 series benchmarked and tested first.  

 

For the insults tho, go nuts.

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

I'll disagree with you there, the 9900K will be just fine against the 3000 series.  Sure it is more expensive and runs hotter, but let's fully see the 3000 series benchmarked and tested first.  

 

For the insults tho, go nuts.

That's my point though. If the 3000 series can deliver 9900k performance without needing a 280mm rad to cool it and costing much less than 500 then it won't be competitive. It's the only reason I choose the 8700k over the 9900k is because it runs so damn hot. I'm probably going to build another pc when the 3000 series comes out if it's good. 

[Princess Luna]

On 1/14/2019 at 11:41 AM, Sabir said:

Should I buy i9 9900k for future proof? So I can have more fps and long last gaming.. 

No, buy an i7 8700K use it for 4 years than buy a 10nm++ i7 and use that for another 4 years and that's just how it goes,

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

That's my point though. If the 3000 series can deliver 9900k performance without needing a 280mm rad to cool it and costing much less than 500 then it won't be competitive. It's the only reason I choose the 8700k over the 9900k is because it runs so damn hot. I'm probably going to build another pc when the 3000 series comes out if it's good. 

Well, I also can't wait to see how they perform.  Let's hope they do leapfrog the 9900K a bit, I would love to see a ladder series fight.

 

It would be great for all parties involved.

[Brooksie359]

12 hours ago, Earnist_ said:

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Let's be clear here. You are saying they are releasing a new socket in 2020 but the issue i have with that is you don't know. You are making assumptions. If 4000 series comes out on AM4 in 2020 then they likely won't make a new socket until the 5000 series in 2021. That being said it's entirely possible they will make AM4+ for the 3000 series to allow for pcie 4.0 support. 

[Brooksie359]

12 hours ago, Earnist_ said:

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Again there are AMD staff that have said otherwise. They said cpus will be released on it through 2020. They have never once said that they will create a new socket in 2020. Also ryzen 4000 series is zen2+ and it would be unlikely that they would change sockets between zen2 and zen2+. Most likely they will change sockets once they do another big redesign with Zen 3. Either that or Zen 2 will have support for AM4+ this year and they will transition off of AM4. There is very little chance they create a new socket in 2020. Either they will have AM4+ this year or wait till 2021 to create the next socket. 

[Stefan Payne]

5 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

You do know that at the end of the year, Intel will most likely release a leap-frogging CPU.  

Oh right, I forgot that you have to wait for the quasi-monopolist and always buy from them because we don't want competition or good products.

10 years 4 Core CPU in Desktop were not enough, it should have been 20 Years with the incremental 2% increase every year. I totally forgot.

 

Sorry, but that's bullshit what you're claiming because Intel doesn't even have ONE running 10nm Desktop Product, all they had was some really expensive low power thingy.

AMD has shown their product live on camera!

 

5 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

So by your logic, we wait 6 months, then wait 6 months, then...???

If it was 6 Months away, we'd know something about that by now, some people would have seen them running.

 

Nothing of that was happening. You can believe strongly that it might be possible, but wanna bet that they might announce it with low availability?? If at all.

 

Wendel mentioned in his last News Segment that Intel claimed for 2 years or so 10nm Products. Yeah, where are they? Not here. Because they couldn't get their 10nm running...

 

And if that would be the case, why are there rumors about a double die Skylake-X CPU??
If 10nm is as close as you claim? 

 

Because its not. Its further away than you believe.

[Stefan Payne]

12 hours ago, Earnist_ said:

no it wont happen them saying am4 will lose support in 2020 means they will have a new socket by then and the old one (am4) WILL BE LOSING SUPPORT 

Oh and what reason would AMD have to drop the AM4 Socket and make an incompatible CPU??

I can think of exactly one thing: DDR-5 SDRAM. Wich is said to arrive by then.

 

BUT there is one problem in your claim: the chiplet design that AMD has implemented.

 

To make it blunt: There is no correlation between the CPU core Die and the package it is placed on. They are two completely different things. Because you can combine a Zen 3 die with the Zen 2 IO.

Or Zen 2 Die with Zen 3 IO.

 

And there is also another thing that AMD also did that you are missing:
Designing AM5 so that its CPU can run on AM4 that was done in the past with AM2 and AM3. You can put AM3 CPUs in AM2(+) Sockets and, with the right BIOS, it works. 

 

12 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

I'll disagree with you there,

Why? Do you have any facts for that?
The thing we know right now is that the Ryzen 3000 Sample that AMD brought to the CES did Cinebench at about the same performance, with about half the power consumption. 

 

So you're saying you were wrong about the AMD FX9590 and that it was a perfectly fine CPU? THat the Power Consumption didn't matter, right?

 

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the 9900K will be just fine against the 3000 series. 

No it will not.

As 3000 Series will be double the cores.

As 3000 Series will be about the same IPC as i9-9900K

 

AMD 8 Core Zen2 is equal to Intel 8 Core at a lower Frequency!

What we know is that the AMD Zen 2 might have run at 200MHz less than the i9.

And that the Memory was rather slow with only DDR4-2666

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Sure it is more expensive and runs hotter, but let's fully see the 3000 series benchmarked and tested first.  

We've seen that.

And that is, according to rumors, a like 250€ CPU.

Yeah, 9900K for 500€ is totally competitive.

Especially if you "really use it" with 200W real power consumption.

 

Your claims aren't supported by facts.

You are just believing strongly that the 9900K might be competitive.

 

Right now we know that the Power Consumption will be way lower, the 9900K is rediculously high for a normal Desktop product...

 

12 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

Most likely they will change sockets once they do another big redesign with Zen 3. 

No, they will change Sockets when there is a need for it.

For example DDR-5 SDRAM. 

For Zen2 they might "update" it to AM4+, but I also don't really see a reason for that.

 

There is just no reason to change anything right now. Though they could update the next socket with a bit more lanes and more consistency between CPUs and APUs, that would be nice...
But besides that there 

12 hours ago, Earnist_ said:

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Why should they?
they don't have the money for some stupid, tiny changes.

They don't want to do it.

Because "normal users" don't like it.

 

Now tell me the reason for the 8k Series not being able to be used with Z170 or Z270 Chipsets.

You are claiming that AMD might choose the Socket when the one you are propagating fore does at most 2 generations per socket. 9000 Series is the second generation for LGA1151v2, wich is a minor revision and people claimed it was possible to run CPUs in 100 and 200 Series Boards...

 

Ähm, RLY?!

[Tigrou]

Will it last long for gaming => Yes

9900K is a 8 cores / 16 threads CPU with very high performance per thread.

I don't expect games to use more threads than this in the years to come.

 

New Ryzen (that is expected to come this year) will probably match actual Intel performance per thread or do a little better but I don't expect it to totally blast off current Intel high end CPUs. They will probably offer more cores than Intel for less money (as it is already) but as I said above 16T for gaming should be more than enough.

 

PS5 is expected to be released in 2020 and last between 5 and 7 years. It should be equipped with a 8 C / 16 T Ryzen CPU (8 cores will probably be the new standard for consoles and PC by then)

 

Is it the best bang for the buck => No

If you can wait a little bit, new Ryzen might offer something similar than Intel 9900K for a lot less (and you can expect Intel to lower their prizes shortly after, as they did with first Ryzen in 2017) otherwise if you have the money and are OK to pay the price, get the 9900K.

 

 

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, they will change Sockets when there is a need for it.

For example DDR-5 SDRAM. 

For Zen2 they might "update" it to AM4+, but I also don't really see a reason for that.

 

There is just no reason to change anything right now. Though they could update the next socket with a bit more lanes and more consistency between CPUs and APUs, that would be nice...
But besides that there 

Why should they?
they don't have the money for some stupid, tiny changes.

They don't want to do it.

Because "normal users" don't like it.

 

Now tell me the reason for the 8k Series not being able to be used with Z170 or Z270 Chipsets.

You are claiming that AMD might choose the Socket when the one you are propagating fore does at most 2 generations per socket. 9000 Series is the second generation for LGA1151v2, wich is a minor revision and people claimed it was possible to run CPUs in 100 and 200 Series Boards...

 

Ähm, RLY?!

They said that ryzen 3000 will support PCIE 4.0. I am unsure if that is even possible on AM4. It wouldn't be too crazy for them to release ryzen 3000 series with compatibility with AM4 and a new AM4+

[Stefan Payne]

24 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

They said that ryzen 3000 will support PCIE 4.0. I am unsure if that is even possible on AM4.

With switched PCIe its probably not. So we have the funny situation where cheaper Board might actually allow PCIe 4.0 while the high end 200-400€ Boards do not.

 

24 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

It wouldn't be too crazy for them to release ryzen 3000 series with compatibility with AM4 and a new AM4+

Agreed.

Just to make it easier for the consumer to see that the Board supports PCIe 4.0. 

 

[Guest]

With the right answer already chosen in mind i still would like to add that if you buy the latest tech, with your own type of usage in mind, school-related, casual gaming ( what kind of gaming ) internet stream machine your always be future proof by default

[Guest]

No.

 

9600k max

[marywin]

On 1/14/2019 at 3:09 PM, NunoLava1998 said:

The Ryzen 5 line is already somewhat better than the 9900K. It's 179$. And it's also 65W.

The only reason I finally created an account here was to laugh at this comment.

 

Haha. 

 

Your comment hurt both my eyes and my soul. 

 

I’m out. Thank you for your time.

[NunoLava1998]

1 minute ago, marywin said:

The only reason I finally created an account here was to laugh at this comment.

 

Haha. 

 

Your comment hurt both my eyes and my soul. 

 

I’m out. Thank you for your time.

According to the Zen 2 leaks ((and actual benchmarks done by AMD on Zen 2)), yes.

Current Ryzen CPUs however, absolutely fucking not, not even the 2700X can beat a 9900K lol

 

Zen 2 is coming in Computex likely

[xg32]

4 minutes ago, NunoLava1998 said:

According to the Zen 2 leaks ((and actual benchmarks done by AMD on Zen 2)), yes.

Current Ryzen CPUs however, absolutely fucking not, not even the 2700X can beat a 9900K lol

 

Zen 2 is coming in Computex likely

with the launch of division 2 i'm already looking for that 16core zen 2 as my next project, "futureproofing" with a 9900k went out the window, it barely pushes 144hz.

[Mister Woof]

On 1/14/2019 at 5:58 AM, ch3w2oy said:

Yea, Intel is dead. Buy Intel if you like wasting money. Buy AMD if you value value

I chuckled

[Stormseeker9]

wait for ryzen 3000. July/August