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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from __Dreamer__ in Gamers Nexus alleges LMG has insufficient ethics and integrity   
    Right. First things first:
    The way GN went about this, was... Questionable. And Steve has a way of presenting content, that can come across as a bit arrogant and "high horsey". Gamers Nexus should also have gotten in touch with LMG before posting the video. It's only fair to allow them to present their side, although, that shouldn't prevent them from posting their concerns.

    But, Linus isn't "one of the guys". He's not "just some random member of the wider public who loves computers". He's a businessman. He's somebody who has built up a business from basically nothing, to become one of the absolute biggest tech youtubers in the world. And I think that he sometimes forgets that this means that he's no longer "one of us". He's not part of this community, he's part of the media. He's adjacent to the computer industry. And so he will be under scrutiny just like other companies. When running a company, and especially a large company, there will always be a conflict between integrity and making money. And for us as consumers, integrity is what matters, not how much money these companies earn. And if they want our trust and respect, they have to earn it. They have to show they have integrity. And along with that, comes displaying quality over quantity. It requires showing that you're willing to prioritize quality of content and journalistic integrity over maximizing profits. If you can't do that, then you'll simply have to accept not getting our trust and respect. It's that simple.
    10 years ago, Linus was a young pimply nerd who made videos about what he loved. Today, he's a grown man doing a job. There's a huge difference between LTT back then, and LMG today.

    @LinusTech You are not our "bro". You're "that guy on the internet who doesn't even realize he's become rich, and thinks he's still just like us". It might hurt to hear that, but it's the reality of it. You can't both be our "bro" and a successful businessman. Those two things are mutually exclusive. And I understand you have paychecks to cover and expenses to pay and all that. I DO get that. But the quality of content will always be what we, the viewers, care about. If it's impossible to keep up quality, while also keeping the company profitable, then perhaps you've grown too big. Perhaps you've branched out too far into the realm of entertainment over journalism. I don't know. All I know is that "trust me bro" has to be earned. Not by making promises. Not by selling high quality screwdrivers and excellent hoodies (I love mine), but through constantly showing that you can make the highest quality content, not only for entertainment value, but also in terms of journalistic quality and integrity.

    Thanks.
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    Caeradwyn reacted to FadedSpark in Gamers Nexus alleges LMG has insufficient ethics and integrity   
    Calling people delusional is just going to reinforce their belief that this is a hit piece and not something borne out of genuine concern for the community.
     
    That said, there's definitely a lot of takes in here where people are acting personally attacked and that's a little out of touch.
     
    The video is good natured. The message isn't an attack, it's a concern. And after trust me bro, Steve said point blank he was no longer treating ltt as an individual but the corporation that it is.
     
    Corporations don't care about your feelings. Corporations aren't people. Corporations don't get handled with kid gloves.
     
    They get publicly discussed, and allowed to make their own decision on how to respond to that discussion.
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    Caeradwyn reacted to Josysclei in Gamers Nexus alleges LMG has insufficient ethics and integrity   
    First of all, the whole Billet Labs stuff is completely absurd if true. I don't think they would intentionally sell something they couldn't, probably some massive fuck up in communications happened between the team responsible for sending it back and the people choosing the items to be auctioned, but it's still a huge issue and 100% LTT's responsibility to fix it and make sure something like this never ever happens again. 
     
    About the rushed content, it's something that a lot of times crosses the border of "fun jank" to being just frustrating. Every single project they do seems to be rushed, unfinished, untested and plagued with issues and oversights. And that could be their content "brand", seems like many people enjoy the jank. But if they now want to present themselves as serious testers, someone the community can look up for reliable data with Labs, that mindset needs to change, FAST. How the hell can I trust someone who has to correct themselves almost every video? And makes errors that a basic review of the content could catch? 
     
    You need to pump out 7 videos a week? Sure buddy, but maybe allow more time sensitive projects to be properly planned, executed and reviewed and throw some "here's 10 fun crap we found on aliexpress" videos to make up for it.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from BTGbullseye in AMD drivers   
    I recently upgraded from an R9 Fury, and I have to say that's I've had some issues from time to time. Drivers crashing the first time I start a game, game crashes, Windows says drivers have been recovered, and after that, game runs fine. I've also had instabilities with the Radeon control panel, so for a period of time, I couldn't access any of the settings. That being said, it seemed like all those issues disappeared with the drivers that were released late August.
    And historically, there's been times when Nvidia had shit drivers as well. In fact, I remember a time when Nvidia were a laughing stock on hardware forums etc. due to having the worst drivers. Thanks to that, they really picked their game up and improved. The tables turned, and now it's been AMD who's struggled with less than stellar drivers, but I wouldn't expect that to last. It's not the first time AMD has been declared finished only to come back swinging.
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    Caeradwyn reacted to Volbet in Vinyl records...   
    NIce. The real valuable record in my collection is the blood edition of Remains of a Ruined, Dead, Cursed Soul by Mütiilation.
    Most other "rare" albums I own are only valued in the $100-$200 range. 
     
    Sure, I know people say that, but I have yet to see it demonstrated just how important all those things are. 
    My best guess is tha the vast majority of beginners will be more than satified with the entry level turntables from the reputable brands.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from straight_stewie in Vinyl records...   
    Since a few people have already mentioned things such as mastering often being better for some vinyl releases, I won't bother going into that. I'll only say though, that listening to music on any physical media, requires a little bit more "investment" (in terms of time and effort) than simple iTunes or Spotify consumption, which often means you'll focus a bit more on listening to whole albums and might start listening to music in a somewhat different way. I keep noticing that people younger than me hardly has any idea what "album" even means. There's been a lot of music over the years that have been made as more like concept albums, where there's some kind of connection between the songs, and as such should be listened to from beginning to end, and not just listening to random singles. Some albums tell a story, some have a change of moods throughout which takes you through a bit more of an experience than simply putting on a playlist of 1000 songs set to shuffle.
     
    Anyway.
     
    A cheap Rega RP1 or Rega Planar 1 with a decent quality cartridge would be a good option for simple vinyl playback. You'd have to pay more to get the same sound quality and add in DJing features. If you're not planning on getting into DJing, I'd stick with the concept of "simpler is better". I.e. less features means less waste of money.
    Also keep in mind that the cartridge is more vital to the end sound than the actual turntable it self. The Rega RP1 comes with a basic "moving magnet" type cartridge, which for most non-audiophiles will probably be just fine. Another alternative is the Pro-Ject Essential II, which comes with a decent entry-level Ortofon cartridge.
     
    You'll also need an amplifier with a "Phono" input (not as in the RCA or "phono plugs", but an input actually labelled Phono, short for phonograph). A proper Phono input has RIAA amplification/equalizaion, and is intended specifically for turntables. Something like a Denon PMA520AE, would to the job. There are lots of other alternatives though. Nad and Cambridge Audio both have inexpensive alternatives of decent quality.
     
    For speakers? Well, personal preference and budget will play a big part in selecting something good.
     
    And as for how much all this will cost? Remember that what sounds great to one person, might sound like crap to another person. It's all a matter of what you are used to.
     
    All this stuff can usually be found second hand for reasonable prices. Watch out for worn out styluses on second hand cartridges though.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from GirlFromYonder in AMD Rant (No hate pls)   
    I'm not going to speculate too much into what future plans AMD has for Polaris. For what it (RX 480) was meant to be, a card capable of giving Team Green a run for their money in the mid-range segment, it looks to be a success. This is also where the highest profit comes from, because most people don't go out and buy a flagship card. AMD needs to increase their profits, not prove they have the biggest stick.
    Purely looking at naming, there's of course room for a RX 490 and an RX Fury in the Polaris lineup, but I'm not holding my breath.
    Nvidia have a lot of strong non-consumer oriented contracts these days, for CUDA devices for use in super computers etc, which is bringing Nvidia a lot of money to spend on R&D, which is a large part of why they are currently ahead in producing high end GPUs. If AMD can manage to grab a larger piece of the mid-range market, there's a good chance they'll be able to spend more on R&D as well, and perhaps we'll see AMD pushing out some stuff that will be more competitive in the high end as well.
     
    For those who are disappointed about RX 480 not being a 1080 competitor: Well, that was never the intention. It's not really fair to be disappointed about something not being what it was never intended to be.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from W-L in LED on/off USB controller   
    Yeah, I've actually ended up looking at some cheap USB relays on eBay. It's not quite as elegant as I'd have liked, but ideally it'll be placed somewhere you can't see it, so it doesn't really matter. I cannot understand why nobody has made a purpose built unit like this. It would seem like an obvious thing. Then again, I guess there's more money in making something very specific (like a controller for ones own brand of RGB lights or some such) rather than making stuff that is generic/multi-purpose.
     
    Cheers though.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from theereal in In Norway , Any tips and fun places I can can go ?   
    You sure you're thinking of Bergen and not Hamar? The big ice skating stadium used during the '94 olympics "The Viking Ship" is located in Hamar (not far from Lillehammer) and is the annual venue of "The Gathering", a massive LAN party, around easter each year.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from goldhound44 in Does it make sense to mate a new build with no GPU? (For now)   
    I concur with the rest. That's actually one of the best things about modern CPUs having on-chip graphics. The fact that you can get a system up and running without having to have a discreet graphics card allows you to do a higher end build gradually.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from Ghostay in Does it make sense to mate a new build with no GPU? (For now)   
    I concur with the rest. That's actually one of the best things about modern CPUs having on-chip graphics. The fact that you can get a system up and running without having to have a discreet graphics card allows you to do a higher end build gradually.
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    Caeradwyn reacted to ThomasD in Apparently applying thermal paste in X method gives best results?   
    Sorry, that limited data set is worthless, absent multiple samples from each group you cannot even being to determine standard deviation, margin of error, or significant difference.
     
    Anyone who claims to appreciate science surely must see that the only possible interpretation is that they failed to reject the null hypothesis.  That being:  There is no appreciable difference in temperatures based upon TIM application pattern.
     
    And if anyone balks at the idea of doing ten runs with each, then just pick one pattern and do ten runs with it, then see how tight the results are.  Because if you do that, and find a half-degree variation within that group then single run comparisons to other patterns are going to be very problematic.
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    Caeradwyn reacted to Hiebly in X4 860K vs G3258   
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from ace_cheaply in Who is the fanatic, really? Yes, it's one of those threads again   
    Not being a fanatic, I'm not sure I'm really qualified to have an opinion here? But hey, I'll give it a go anyway.
    At this price/performance level (i.e. GTX980Ti vs. Fury X), it's will generally not be a question of "can it offer me playable framrates at high settings", because both cards can and will, unless you're gaming at 4k, in which case both will struggle at the higest end settings (although from the benchmarks I've seen, the Fury X is starting to look a whole lot better at 4k).
    So, the question is really: "Does one manufacturer offer some features that you are especially interested in?"
    If the answer is "I'm going to be using ShadowPlay a lot", then go with Nvidia, because the choice is already made for you.
    Personally, as I wouldn't use that, it stops being a selling point. Sure, it's there IF I suddenly wanted to use it, but then again, there are other options.
    I've been using both Nvidia and AMD cards over the years, and from personal experience, I'd say they both have equally good, or bad, drivers. I've had Nvidia drivers that have been regularly causing problems, but I've had the same thing with AMD's drivers, so to me, this isn't a selling point either. If it is to you, then perhaps the choice is already made for you.
    As for the GTX980Ti having 6GB vs. the 4GB on the Fury X, as most benchmarks have shown so far, if you crank the settings up high enough, and run at 4k, the Fury X generally comes out looking better than the GTX980Ti, and even the mighty 12GB Titan X, while at 1440p, it's generally the other way around. This suggests that the extreme memory bandwidth of HBM actually helps to alleviate the need for such high amounts of VRAM. Is this a selling point? Naw, not really, as the prices are pretty similar.
    Does being an early adopter of new tech sound like a selling point? It does to some.
     
    I guess what I'm trying to say is this: At $650ish we're already past the point of necessity, and well into overkill for most purposes, and so we get the luxury of choosing which one we feel have the highest "cool factor" or whichever offers some specific feature we'd like. If Shadowplay is a "need to have" feature to you, then as I mentioned before, the choice is already made for you. If being an early adopter sounds cool, or if space for a long video card might not be possible in your case, then perhaps the Fury X is the better choice.

    I'd also like to point out something it seems people have forgotten. GeForce GTX980(Ti) is one generation newer than the R9 290(X) (including the rebrands 390(X)), and these were never meant to compete with each other. The R9 290X was designed to compete with the 780Ti, something it did admirably. In fact, it was so close to the (then) new 980, that people seemed to get the idea that this was the cards that were supposed to compete with each other. But fact is, Fury and Fury X are the direct competitors to 980 and 980Ti... And what do you know? They are pretty much within a similar performance range. Wow, surprising isn't it? Who would've thought?
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from don_svetlio in Who is the fanatic, really? Yes, it's one of those threads again   
    Yeah, some of the cheap PSUs can be fine, but if I was running a top of the line graphics card, I'd rather be safe than sorry. For a second "spare parts" PC, I'd go with something affordable with good reviews. I've got an OCZ ModXtreme (or something of that sort) as a spare power supply, which I used for a retro system at the moment, and despite being cheap, it's modular and received pretty good reviews. So sometimes you can get lucky.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from Kinda Bottlenecked in Who is the fanatic, really? Yes, it's one of those threads again   
    I agree. I'd never buy a cheap power supply to run a high end gaming system, regardless of how power efficient it is. A good, solid power supply is a vital part of a good well built system.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from don_svetlio in Who is the fanatic, really? Yes, it's one of those threads again   
    Not being a fanatic, I'm not sure I'm really qualified to have an opinion here? But hey, I'll give it a go anyway.
    At this price/performance level (i.e. GTX980Ti vs. Fury X), it's will generally not be a question of "can it offer me playable framrates at high settings", because both cards can and will, unless you're gaming at 4k, in which case both will struggle at the higest end settings (although from the benchmarks I've seen, the Fury X is starting to look a whole lot better at 4k).
    So, the question is really: "Does one manufacturer offer some features that you are especially interested in?"
    If the answer is "I'm going to be using ShadowPlay a lot", then go with Nvidia, because the choice is already made for you.
    Personally, as I wouldn't use that, it stops being a selling point. Sure, it's there IF I suddenly wanted to use it, but then again, there are other options.
    I've been using both Nvidia and AMD cards over the years, and from personal experience, I'd say they both have equally good, or bad, drivers. I've had Nvidia drivers that have been regularly causing problems, but I've had the same thing with AMD's drivers, so to me, this isn't a selling point either. If it is to you, then perhaps the choice is already made for you.
    As for the GTX980Ti having 6GB vs. the 4GB on the Fury X, as most benchmarks have shown so far, if you crank the settings up high enough, and run at 4k, the Fury X generally comes out looking better than the GTX980Ti, and even the mighty 12GB Titan X, while at 1440p, it's generally the other way around. This suggests that the extreme memory bandwidth of HBM actually helps to alleviate the need for such high amounts of VRAM. Is this a selling point? Naw, not really, as the prices are pretty similar.
    Does being an early adopter of new tech sound like a selling point? It does to some.
     
    I guess what I'm trying to say is this: At $650ish we're already past the point of necessity, and well into overkill for most purposes, and so we get the luxury of choosing which one we feel have the highest "cool factor" or whichever offers some specific feature we'd like. If Shadowplay is a "need to have" feature to you, then as I mentioned before, the choice is already made for you. If being an early adopter sounds cool, or if space for a long video card might not be possible in your case, then perhaps the Fury X is the better choice.

    I'd also like to point out something it seems people have forgotten. GeForce GTX980(Ti) is one generation newer than the R9 290(X) (including the rebrands 390(X)), and these were never meant to compete with each other. The R9 290X was designed to compete with the 780Ti, something it did admirably. In fact, it was so close to the (then) new 980, that people seemed to get the idea that this was the cards that were supposed to compete with each other. But fact is, Fury and Fury X are the direct competitors to 980 and 980Ti... And what do you know? They are pretty much within a similar performance range. Wow, surprising isn't it? Who would've thought?
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from Guest in Windows 10 What Are You Thoughts So Far?   
    I've only tried the Tech Preview version so far. I installed it on my older Dell XPS gaming laptop, and it works "just fine" for everyday use. It looks really ugly though. The icons MS went with looks like some kind of relic from the Windows 3.1 days.The "flat" overall design also looks awful. The slickest looking Windows to date was the XPS customized Vista that came with my laptop.

    I did like that you can snap windows to corners. I do like the overall performance, in that it seems to perform very much like Windows 7. I like the fact that they've relented and given us back the start menu, however I'm not altogether sure I like how the new start menu works. The new version of Internet Explorer, "Edge" as they call it, is just that; A new version of Internet Explorer. It still performs sub-par compared to Pale Moon (Firefox fork) and Chrome. It lacks in html feature support, so it's basically pointless. I you're one of those people who always have been using Internet Explorer because it came with Windows, then I'm sure Edge can be a step in the right direction, but personally I'll be sticking with Pale Moon for a while yet.

    What I don't like is this: Microsoft seems to think they are going to become the new Apple. The focus in Windows have gone from being "allow the user enough choice to at least let them have the illusion of personal freedom" to "The user won't want choices if 'it simply works', right?" which has always been the Apple approach. Like... Why forced updates? Does this mean that since Skype is a MS product, I cannot keep using the older (6.18.0.106) MUCH better version, because it'll come as a forced update along with Windows' own security updates?  How about a newer driver build for some piece of hardware, that I'd prefer not to have because it alters functionality? Or some WHQL certified driver for my mouse, from Razer, that adds all the Razer control panel bullshit, rather than just running "generic USB Mouse" driver which works just fine? Personally, I don't like this approach.

    But what is even worse, is the way Microsoft blatantly feels that promoting the "Windows Ecosystem" is much more important than the users security. This whole BS of linking your local user account to a Windows Live account in order to get access to (mostly unnecessary) online features such as cloud storage, Outlook mail service, Windows App store and so on...
    Right? So what when (yes...when) MS gets hacked again, and somebody gains access to 20 gazillion Windows Live accounts... In most cases, that will give those same hackers administrator access... LOCALLY on millions of PCs. Fine... Fuck up my Skype, which is the only thing I use my Windows Live account for... But I'm not removing a layer of security just for some imagined convenience.

    Depending on how much NOT linking my local user account will affect daily usage of Windows 10, this could be one of the things that'll have me consider doing the swap to Linux. I mean, most developers that matter (which pretty much means all the ones who have been reinventing themselves through kickstarter) are making their games for both Windows and Linux these days, so it shouldn't affect gaming much. Also, with Vulkan looking like it'll be at least as powerful as DX12, while at the same time not being Windows specific, there should be no reason why Linux will be held back as a full on gaming platform.

    I'm genuinely hoping that my concerns will be proven trivial though, because Microsoft could really do with another good product soon.
     
    Rant over
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from don_svetlio in I don't get it   
    Other than perhaps the ShadowPlay recording, I don't see any usefulness of software suites like that. It's like the dumb AMD Gaming Evolved thing.
    Download drivers... Install, done. 100% of the time, the average gamer will be able to better adjust game settings to their own preference compared to using an automated app for it.
    Sometimes (possibly most of the time) the choices made by Nvidia or AMD won't correspond with what your own preferences are.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from Orc Peon in What does 40% improvement over FX-8350 equates to?   
    Why is it that the words "the price would go up" seems to always be interpreted as "multiplying by at least 2 or 3"?
    They would very gradually increase by small increments over years. Perhaps never reaching a total increase of even 50%, but they could also hold back progress more as well, meaning that while we now have a certain amount of performance increase per generation of products, while prices for the high-end remain fairly constant in terms of price/performance, we'd be paying gradually more (not 5 times as much, but more nonetheless) for less performance increase. They would probe the market to see how far they could push it.
    I mean, if all CPUs under $200 was too slow to game on, then you'd either have to give up gaming, or you'd have to pay it. If next tic or toc had a 4% price increase, people would still upgrade. If the next one was another 3% higher, with large PR campaigns explaining how this wonderful new transistor technology required to squeeze more performance out of current CPU design, cost so much more to manufacture, that in reality, the 3% increase in prices over last generation should really be seen as a 7% decrease, all the while Intel really knowing that it's cheaper to produce, I'm pretty sure very few people would object.
    Believing anything else is naive. Intel, AMD, Nvidia are not philanthropists who are after giving people at much as possible for as little money as possible. They are major commercial companies that would prefer to give us, the consumers as little as possible for as much money as possible. That is how the business world works.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from STRMfrmXMN in How Girls Work - An Explanation   
    Some of the major mistakes young men (18-25ish) make, are to think "confidence" means to be arrogant and nonchalant. Being confident means to be true to yourself and behave in a natural way without fear of people judging you for it. The typical "devil-may-care" attitude that some young men adopt only comes across as a bit pathetic.
    I might also add that the whole "girls love a bad boy/tough guy" kind of thing is not true if you're after anything more long term.
     
    A good sense of humor and a relaxed outlook (not the same as wanting to spend all your time smoking weed and playing video games) on life will generally be positive though.
     
    All people are different though, even girls, and if you're hoping to be with somebody for the rest of your life, be honest about who you are right from the start. You don't wanna end up feeling like you have to fake it to keep her throughout your relationship. That is a recipe for disaster.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from PlayModeOn in What does 40% improvement over FX-8350 equates to?   
    The thing is, when these new CPUs are released, everybody will be able to see if the 40% IPC claim is true, so it's very risky to make such claims unless there is something to it. We've seen things like this happen before though. AMD are not "bad" at designing CPUs by any means, they just took a risk with a very different type of CPU architecture when they started on the whole Bulldozer architecture. They expected the software industry to start utilizing more threads sooner, something that didn't really happen, which made the CPUs look worse than they would've in highly threaded workloads. The cost of abandoning the whole architecture without being ready with a new one would be extremely high, so in all likelihood they kept at it while working on Zen behind the scenes.
    I actually find the news of Zen to be some of the most exciting and interesting hardware news in years. For at least 3-4 years now, it'll been all about incremental improvements to the same old stuff, but this is finally something a bit more "new and fresh". Can't wait to see if we'll have a new "Athlon moment". For those who are considering upgrading their motherboard, ram and cpu right now, but who aren't quite sure if they need to, this might be a very good reason to hang on to their old stuff for a little while longer. I for one have got the feeling now that my i7-920 will have to last at least until I see how well Zen performs
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    Caeradwyn reacted to Glenwing in Is Corsair AX 860W PSU enought for this setup?   
    It's more than enough for a single card or 2-way or 3-way SLI. The only reason you'd need a 5930K is for 4-way SLI or compute-focused applications.
    It might not be a bad idea to bump that up to a HX1000i just for the extra headroom. 860W might be kinda close and you don't really want to run your PSU near full load if you don't have to.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from KingVortexHD in Good Build?   
    I find that everyday PC usage, where you often keep opening and closing different pieces of software feels way more responsive with an SSD. A lot of people have gotten so used to having an SSD for their system drive now, that they start forgetting what a big chance it was when they first got it. I would argue, that for improving everyday Windows (or OSX, Linux whatever desktop OS you use) responsiveness, an SSD is by far the most effective upgrade you can get. Even the fastest mechanical drives in the world will be like a horsedrawn cart next to a sports car in comparison to an SSD.
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    Caeradwyn got a reaction from blackadder in What does 40% improvement over FX-8350 equates to?   
    The thing is, when these new CPUs are released, everybody will be able to see if the 40% IPC claim is true, so it's very risky to make such claims unless there is something to it. We've seen things like this happen before though. AMD are not "bad" at designing CPUs by any means, they just took a risk with a very different type of CPU architecture when they started on the whole Bulldozer architecture. They expected the software industry to start utilizing more threads sooner, something that didn't really happen, which made the CPUs look worse than they would've in highly threaded workloads. The cost of abandoning the whole architecture without being ready with a new one would be extremely high, so in all likelihood they kept at it while working on Zen behind the scenes.
    I actually find the news of Zen to be some of the most exciting and interesting hardware news in years. For at least 3-4 years now, it'll been all about incremental improvements to the same old stuff, but this is finally something a bit more "new and fresh". Can't wait to see if we'll have a new "Athlon moment". For those who are considering upgrading their motherboard, ram and cpu right now, but who aren't quite sure if they need to, this might be a very good reason to hang on to their old stuff for a little while longer. I for one have got the feeling now that my i7-920 will have to last at least until I see how well Zen performs
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