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So, I'm making my brother a rendering build. Does the amount of memory on the graphics card affect rendering time? If so, by how much. I was really shooting for 4gb, but if it doesn't affect it enough then I won't buy one. The build is partially gaming but mostly rendering (gaming is a secondary). I'm building it in a BitFenix Prodigy M and want to keep the driverbay installed. Any suggestions on a card that would fit with a $250-$280 budget?

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R9 280x.

wow that 3gb really just fits in there! but which one would fit in the bitfenix prodigy M? 

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Dunno, what the max card length for the case?

it says that it can go up to 330mm with the optical bay out (but I want it in), and it says around 250mm with it in. Though there is a video card slot below there aswell.

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So, I'm making my brother a rendering build. Does the amount of memory on the graphics card affect rendering time? If so, by how much. I was really shooting for 4gb, but if it doesn't affect it enough then I won't buy one. The build is partially gaming but mostly rendering (gaming is a secondary). I'm building it in a BitFenix Prodigy M and want to keep the driverbay installed. Any suggestions on a card that would fit with a $250-$280 budget?

What program is he using to render?

 

If I'm not mistaken, rendering time is derived from CPU, not GPU.

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I updated the build and I think this is the best combo http://pcpartpicker.com/user/swiftfishy/saved/8fjRsY

Micro motherboards and FX processors don't mix.  FX processors are incredibly power hungry, and demand very good power delivery, only found on high end ATX motherboards with 8+2 VRM power phase design.

 

Here is a much, much better rendering and gaming computer:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86nmQ7

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86nmQ7/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($27.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: Mushkin Redline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($76.72 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card  ($314.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Case: BitFenix Prodigy M Arctic White MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($91.14 @ SuperBiiz)

Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ NCIX US)

Total: $995.79

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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Micro motherboards and FX processors don't mix.  FX processors are incredibly power hungry, and demand very good power delivery, only found on high end ATX motherboards with 8+2 VRM power phase design.

 

Here is a much, much better rendering and gaming computer:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86nmQ7

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86nmQ7/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($27.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: Mushkin Redline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($76.72 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card  ($314.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Case: BitFenix Prodigy M Arctic White MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($91.14 @ SuperBiiz)

Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ NCIX US)

Total: $995.79

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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my budget was $800, which is what my build was since I already owned the harddrive and cpu cooler.... plus the xeon doesnt seem like it would be as powerful as the 8320

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my budget was $800, which is what my build was since I already owned the harddrive and cpu cooler.... plus the xeon doesnt seem like it would be as powerful as the 8320

ahhaha, no.  The 8320 is really outdated and old.  Its not all Mhz and Cores.  Architecture has a lot more to do with it.  A Xeon will wreck an 8320 in rendering, regardless how high its overclocked. Same goes for gaming, the FX8 doesn't perform well in a lot of games because its single core performance is abysmal.  It will also bottleneck a 970 in games.

 

If you do want to stick with an FX8, you are going to need an ATX motherboard with 8+2 VRM Power Phase Design.

 

If you're willing to go with a less expensive chassis, less expensive PSU, and maybe not go with an SSD, even though I highly recommend having an SSD to install your operating system and frequently used programs on, you will be able to cut the Xeon down to $800.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/g3bt4D

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/g3bt4D/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($17.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($121.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card  ($314.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($25.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ NCIX US) <-- Different PSU will drop this build down to exactly $800 with an SSD.

Total: $810.92

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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ahhaha, no.  The 8320 is really outdated and old.  Its not all Mhz and Cores.  Architecture has a lot more to do with it.  A Xeon will wreck an 8320 in rendering, regardless how high its overclocked. Same goes for gaming, the FX8 doesn't perform well in a lot of games because its single core performance is abysmal.  It will also bottleneck a 970 in games.

 

If you do want to stick with an FX8, you are going to need an ATX motherboard with 8+2 VRM Power Phase Design.

 

If you're willing to go with a less expensive chassis, and maybe not go with an SSD, even though I highly recommend having an SSD to install your operating system and frequently used programs on, you will be able to cut the Xeon down to $800.

4+2 is fine for a FX 8xxx cpu but i really don't suggest get a FX 8xxx cpu right now, i regret buying a 8320 because it was outdated and didn't have new features. Advice coming from a 8320 owner.

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4+2 is fine for a FX 8xxx cpu but i really don't suggest get a FX 8xxx cpu right now, i regret buying a 8320 because it was outdated and didn't have new features. Advice coming from a 8320 owner.

4+2 is not fine for an FX, especially if you want to overclock.  There are tons of examples of people not being able to overclock, or having throttling issues because they have lower end motherboards.  No one in their right mind recommends mATX motherboards for FX processors.

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4+2 is not fine for an FX, especially if you want to overclock.  There are tons of examples of people not being able to overclock, or having throttling issues because they have lower end motherboards.  No one in their right mind recommends mATX motherboards for FX processors.

4+2 is fine for a FX cpu with a little OC, i'm also saying that you shouldn't consider a FX 8XXX cpu it's outdated and doesn't have new features.

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4+2 is fine for a FX cpu with a little OC, i'm also saying that you shouldn't consider a FX 8XXX cpu it's outdated and doesn't have new features.

what do u recommend then? id like to keep everything else i have in the build, just replace the mobo and cpu.

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what do u recommend then? id like to keep everything else i have in the build, just replace the mobo and cpu.

i5 4430/60, 4570/90 and H81 board

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http://pcpartpicker.com/user/swiftfishy/saved/8fjRsY is that good for rendering then? i have a i5 4690k and its great for gaming but too much for this budget.

wait you said you're doing rendering? 

this would be a better option

 
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1220 V3 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($185.98 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI B85-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($54.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 290X 4GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($299.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Full Tower Case  ($34.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($34.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $781.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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wait you said you're doing rendering? 

this would be a better option

 
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1220 V3 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($185.98 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI B85-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($54.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 290X 4GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($299.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Full Tower Case  ($34.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($34.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $781.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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rendering/ gaming.... and i believe the 970 will be overall better for this case.... also im sticking to the prodigy case.

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wait you said you're doing rendering? 

this would be a better option

 
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1220 V3 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($185.98 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI B85-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($54.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 290X 4GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($299.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Full Tower Case  ($34.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($34.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $781.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-25 22:17 EST-0500

 

It's really hard to say, the computer will be traveling alot I assume (thats why its a mitx). He does a lot of youtube videos, and he will be rendering the videos on there. He will do a ton of gaming hopefully with that 970. Also he does photoshop quite a bit, and will probably dip into some Aftereffects.

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It's really hard to say, the computer will be traveling alot I assume (thats why its a mitx). He does a lot of youtube videos, and he will be rendering the videos on there. He will do a ton of gaming hopefully with that 970. Also he does photoshop quite a bit, and will probably dip into some Aftereffects.

Thats the wrong Xeon.  Not all Xeons have hyperthreading.  This is the build you want:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HzWGHx

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HzWGHx/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($17.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($121.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X Video Card  ($249.99 @ Newegg)

Case: BitFenix Prodigy M Arctic White MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($91.14 @ SuperBiiz)

Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($34.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $801.07

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-25 23:51 EST-0500

 

This is an incredible Rendering machine, and gaming machine.  The R9 290 performs basically the same as a 970, and the Tri-X is one of the better non-reference models.  On black friday, you might even find an R9 290 for $200.  You also get to keep the overpriced case you want and have an SSD for the OS and frequently used programs.

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Ladies, please, you and your builds are both beautiful./tensionbreak

 

The CPU is the more important factor when rendering, as mentioned earlier.  More VRAM is essential for textures and quality, but for straight-up content creation VRAM shouldn't be a concern; these days any high-end GPU will have 2-3 GB or more.  Instead an i7 should do the trick.  Although the i5 is a good choice, the i7 is an i5 with hyperthreading, which will benefit greatly for your needs.

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Ladies, please, you and your builds are both beautiful./tensionbreak

 

The CPU is the more important factor when rendering, as mentioned earlier.  More VRAM is essential for textures and quality, but for straight-up content creation VRAM shouldn't be a concern; these days any high-end GPU will have 2-3 GB or more.  Instead an i7 should do the trick.  Although the i5 is a good choice, the i7 is an i5 with hyperthreading, which will benefit greatly for your needs.

cant afford an i7 in a 800-900 build with a 970 already in it... not to mention a mitx case

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So, I'm making my brother a rendering build. Does the amount of memory on the graphics card affect rendering time? If so, by how much. I was really shooting for 4gb, but if it doesn't affect it enough then I won't buy one. The build is partially gaming but mostly rendering (gaming is a secondary). I'm building it in a BitFenix Prodigy M and want to keep the driverbay installed. Any suggestions on a card that would fit with a $250-$280 budget?

 

 

wow that 3gb really just fits in there! but which one would fit in the bitfenix prodigy M? 

 

 

I updated the build and I think this is the best combo http://pcpartpicker.com/user/swiftfishy/saved/8fjRsY

 

 

cant afford an i7 in a 800-900 build with a 970 already in it... not to mention a mitx case

 

1s to all, you need a multicore cpu (FX 8350 or i7)

 

then, you need a big number of ram (8GB or 16GB)

 

last, you need a good gpu (R9 280 or R9 290)

 

but all come to the cpu (like the people here have say to you, in this case is your most important part)

 

but for make this build ITX you will need jump to intel (and the i7)

 

the question here is... were you can cut money for reach the i7 (you really not have choise here, if you want ITX)

 

800 is a hard build for intel, but is not imposible

 

start with cut the ram to 8GB (you can add more ram at any time)

 

keep the R9 290

 

and change that SSD for 1TB of HDD

 

keep in mind that this projects use "a lot" of GB on the HDD (and SSD are to small)

 

Thats the wrong Xeon.  Not all Xeons have hyperthreading.  This is the build you want:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HzWGHx

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HzWGHx/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($17.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($121.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X Video Card  ($249.99 @ Newegg)

Case: BitFenix Prodigy M Arctic White MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($91.14 @ SuperBiiz)

Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($34.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $801.07

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-25 23:51 EST-0500

 

This is an incredible Rendering machine, and gaming machine. 

The R9 290 performs basically the same as a 970, and the Tri-X is one of the better non-reference models. 

On black friday, you might even find an R9 290 for $200. 

 

You also get to keep the overpriced case you want and have an SSD for the OS and frequently used programs.

 

like fa shows here, this is a great build for your targets

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1s to all, you need a multicore cpu (FX 8350 or i7)

 

then, you need a big number of ram (8GB or 16GB)

 

last, you need a good gpu (R9 280 or R9 290)

 

but all come to the cpu (like the people here have say to you, in this case is your most important part)

 

but for make this build ITX you will need jump to intel (and the i7)

 

the question here is... were you can cut money for reach the i7 (you really not have choise here, if you want ITX)

 

800 is a hard build for intel, but is not imposible

 

start with cut the ram to 8GB (you can add more ram at any time)

 

keep the R9 290

 

and change that SSD for 1TB of HDD

 

keep in mind that this projects use "a lot" of GB on the HDD (and SSD are to small)

 

 

 

like fa shows here, this is a great build for your targets

hey, I already have a build picked out https://pcpartpicker.com/user/swiftfishy/saved/8fjRsY  but im not sure if the i5 will be good, i had originally a fx 8320 but people said that it wasnt supported well

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I would normally suggest this:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4793#ov

 

Gigabyte R9 280x Windforce 3 (God damnit I love their WF3 coolers).

 

Problem is that the card is 285mm long (You mentioned you wanted to keep the drive bays in, and thus need to keep it around or under 250mm length). I don't know that there are any mid/high end cards that short? There might be. Does anyone know of one?

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