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3 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

it isnt a budget PC....it is to see how well it can perform for myself...then i'll probably sell it to a family memeber or something when i'm done playing with it XD

then the absolute fastest memory kit you can afford is the best. Also make sure you get a good board for it to run the memory fast.

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so I have been looking into getting an APU system for awhile just to see how well i can get it to perform. Though I have hit a bit of a wall and my research has sort of stopped because I can find much on what actually effects the performance of an APU and what I can do to get it running faster and/or better so I came her for answers. More specially I am looking at the ryzen 5 2400g because that is the best APU out there at the moment. (as far as i know XD)

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10 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

so I have been looking into getting an APU system for awhile just to see how well i can get it to perform. Though I have hit a bit of a wall and my research has sort of stopped because I can find much on what actually effects the performance of an APU and what I can do to get it running faster and/or better so I came her for answers. More specially I am looking at the ryzen 5 2400g because that is the best APU out there at the moment. (as far as i know XD)

Are you building a system that can't fit a GPU?

If you're building a normal system just get the R3 2200G instead as the gaming gain won't be as much as the price increase.

 

If the 2400G were like $120-130 it would make more sense.
 

 

I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly...
 

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What is your budget/country for your new PC?

 

what monitor resolution/refresh rate?

 

What games or other software do you need to run?

 

 

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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

Cooling, power, mobo, sillicon lottery. That's about it

so ram doesn't effect it as much as it used to then? what should i pair with the 2400g then? also I did no reasearch on this yet but can i overclock the 2400g?

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so ram doesn't effect it as much as it used to then? what should i pair with the 2400g then? also I did no reasearch on this yet but can i overclock the 2400g?

Ryzen in general likes high speed ram. It does affect it a bit, but pretty much as heavy as ryzen in general

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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

Ryzen in general likes high speed ram. It does affect it a bit, but pretty much as heavy as ryzen in general

hmmm....so a 32gb 3200 mhz kit will do me fine? would you suggest dual channel or should i put it into four instead?

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9 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

hmmm....so a 32gb 3200 mhz kit will do me fine? would you suggest dual channel or should i put it into four instead?

What the hell are you building? Just tell me. I'm confused now

 

And the difference in performence between 2x16 or 4x8 isn't noticable. If you want to upgrade 2x16 is better

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3 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

hmmm....so a 32gb 3200 mhz kit will do me fine? would you suggest dual channel or should i put it into four instead?

Ryzen in general prefers faster RAM due to infinity fabric, faster RAM would also benifit the iGPU as it uses system RAM as VRAM.

As for dual channel or quad channel, I could be mistaken but dual channel is the most that consumer grade hardware supports with only triple & quad channel supported by higher end/server grade hardware, so I'd stick with dual channel.

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14 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

so ram doesn't effect it as much as it used to then? what should i pair with the 2400g then? also I did no reasearch on this yet but can i overclock the 2400g?

RAM bandwidth affects GPU performance a lot, much more than that on the CPU (which is already significant).

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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17 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

What the hell are you building? Just tell me. I'm confused now

i'm building a pc with an APU in it...the 2400g...

 

15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

RAM bandwidth affects GPU performance a lot, much more than that on the CPU (which is already significant).

so 3200 or woud higher be better?

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1 minute ago, BootyDustBandit said:

i'm building a pc with an APU in it...the 2400g...

So you're combining a budget cpu with 32 gigs of ram?

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1 minute ago, BootyDustBandit said:

so 3200 or woud higher be better?

 

depends on price... that's what confuses @LukeSavenije, spending more than $130 on 16GB of high frequency DDR4 ruins the point of APUs being good value. Might as well add a graphics card to a Ryzen 3 instead at that point.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, LukeSavenije said:

So you're combining a budget cpu with 32 gigs of ram?

it isnt a budget PC....it is to see how well it can perform for myself...then i'll probably sell it to a family memeber or something when i'm done playing with it XD

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1 minute ago, BootyDustBandit said:

it isnt a budget PC....it is to see how well it can perform for myself...then i'll probably sell it to a family memeber or something when i'm done playing with it XD

Oh, that's more like it. Well, don't forget to add a custom loop on it?

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3 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

it isnt a budget PC....it is to see how well it can perform for myself...then i'll probably sell it to a family memeber or something when i'm done playing with it XD

then the absolute fastest memory kit you can afford is the best. Also make sure you get a good board for it to run the memory fast.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, BootyDustBandit said:

so 3200 or woud higher be better?

 

As fast as possible, the higher the speed the better.

fastest I could find is a 16GB kit of 4600MHz for $535.30:

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820236380?ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker%2c+LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566

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8 minutes ago, Lord Letto said:

As fast as possible, the higher the speed the better.

fastest I could find is a 16GB kit of 4600MHz for $535.30:

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820236380?ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker%2c+LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566

You want to go completly nuts? Everything above 3200 isn't worth it anymore

 

8 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

ali express boi

*head explodes*

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4 hours ago, BootyDustBandit said:

so ram doesn't effect it as much as it used to then? what should i pair with the 2400g then? also I did no reasearch on this yet but can i overclock the 2400g?

APUs are almost entirely memory bottlenecked, as shown in that overclocking video

I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly...
 

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What is your budget/country for your new PC?

 

what monitor resolution/refresh rate?

 

What games or other software do you need to run?

 

 

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