c++ Software engineering

[Kamjam66xx]

What does it take to actually start a job software engineering in c++? I want to make sure i know enough before i make my rounds. 

 

Can a mod please move this to programming?

 

 

[Kamjam66xx]

Also my last account dissapeared

[Speed Weed]

A lot of thinking and math. 

[FloRolf]

Probably some kind of degree or certificate? 

[bleedblue]

A college degree.

[DailyProcrastinator]

I am working in a systems information position currently and am looking for work in software engineering once graduated. But I started off with Mechanical Engineering then completed a full stack dev boot camp in San Francisco, I am now completing a Bachelor of Technology in Technology Management. Sites like Skillshare and Brilliant have also helped me along the way. You are going to have to look towards the Computer Science fields to get into software engineering.

[Kamjam66xx]

12 minutes ago, JM21 said:

I am working in a systems information position currently and am looking for work in software engineering once graduated. But I started off with Mechanical Engineering then completed a full stack dev boot camp in San Francisco, I am now completing a Bachelor of Technology in Technology Management. Sites like Skillshare and Brilliant have also helped me along the way. You are going to have to look towards the Computer Science fields to get into software engineering.

Ive completed learning all of the basics in c++ and im picking up java, java looks like i can learn it in a week or two tops. Most of it just looks like c++ with common sense UI stuff. 

 

Completed a 700 page book and learned everything in it in 45 days. Its stopped at multithreading and just gave a brief explanation. I know you dont eed a degree, but im going to take a test or two to get certification. 

 

Im just curious to what depth i need to understand and know it to go to a company and be like "im ready to hop into the field"

 

I plan on creating my own quick algorithm for taking a math problem in a string and answering it(aka a calculator lol), a text editor, some other programs too just to have a small portfolio.

 

Programming is coming extremely easy to me personally. I dropped out of highschool and teach myself, but i tested above 99.99% of my state so i cant be that bad.

 

 

[DailyProcrastinator]

6 minutes ago, Kamjam66xx said:

Ive completed learning all of the basics in c++ and im picking up java, java looks like i can learn it in a week or two tops. Most of it just looks like c++ with common sense UI stuff. 

 

Completed a 700 page book and learned everything in it in 45 days. Its stopped at multithreading and just gave a brief explanation. I know you dont eed a degree, but im going to take a test or two to get certification. 

 

Im just curious to what depth i need to understand and know it to go to a company and be like "im ready to hop into the field"

 

I plan on creating my own quick algorithm for taking a math problem in a string and answering it(aka a calculator lol), a text editor, some other programs too just to have a small portfolio.

 

Programming is coming extremely easy to me personally.

 

 

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I'd recommend some kind of dev boot camp even if it is online based so you can have proof of certification. Coming out of my program we were told we could find employment in the greater bay area for at least $120k yearly salary, and that was after completing an 8-month program. So I think that could go a long way. Being largely self-taught is okay but an employer would be taking a big chance on you, unless you have connections you are going to be competing with people that have exact training for that position or people with degrees so I think just having spent 45 days doesn't equal the experience of a degree graduate or a certification program that took even 6 months. Not trying to be harsh but that is the reality of the work environment.

[bleedblue]

13 minutes ago, Kamjam66xx said:

Ive completed learning all of the basics in c++ and im picking up java, java looks like i can learn it in a week or two tops. Most of it just looks like c++ with common sense UI stuff. 

Oh you sweet summer child...

 

14 minutes ago, Kamjam66xx said:

Im just curious to what depth i need to understand and know it to go to a company and be like "im ready to hop into the field"

Not much really. As long as you have some understanding of two or three SDLC models and can explain most concepts of OOP languages you're most likely good as those are the most common things that come out in the technical interview (at least in my experience).

 

Many companies have inhouse trainings for new hires who are fresh out of college or have zero experience. Even in my second job I was still required to undergo training despite having a year and a half's worth of work experience.

[Kamjam66xx]

1 hour ago, JM21 said:

I'd recommend some kind of dev boot camp even if it is online based so you can have proof of certification. Coming out of my program we were told we could find employment in the greater bay area for at least $120k yearly salary, and that was after completing an 8-month program. So I think that could go a long way. Being largely self-taught is okay but an employer would be taking a big chance on you, unless you have connections you are going to be competing with people that have exact training for that position or people with degrees so I think just having spent 45 days doesn't equal the experience of a degree graduate or a certification program that took even 6 months. Not trying to be harsh but that is the reality of the work 

I spent 6-14 hours a day for the past 45 day learning and practicing. Thats the only way i think it was possible to actually learn and practice it, vs just reading and not remembering it. 

 

Anything good and reputable to shoot my way for certification online?

 

Edit: as a matter of fact, i teach myself because i can learn many times faster for WAY less money.

[Kamjam66xx]

15 minutes ago, bleedblue said:

Oh you sweet summer child...

 

Not much really. As long as you have some understanding of two or three SDLC models and can explain most concepts of OOP languages you're most likely good as those are the most common things that come out in the technical interview (at least in my experience).

 

Many companies have inhouse trainings for new hires who are fresh out of college or have zero experience. Even in my second job I was still required to undergo training despite having a year and a half's worth of work experience.

I read some job descriptions and they seemed really vague and one even said "you dont need to understand the interworkings of what you are working on". So that makes sense.

 

Got any resources and places to get certification that you can recommend?

 

The plan is c++, java, python in that order.

[bleedblue]

1 hour ago, Kamjam66xx said:

 

Lots of great free stuff on youtube but if you're willing to shell out a small fee per month Pluralsight is amazing. I was trained to be a mostly back end Java guy but 99% of the work I'm doing now is Angular, React, other JS framework for which I wasn't formally trained. Everything I know I learned from work experience, stackoverflow, and Pluralsight.

[Kamjam66xx]

17 minutes ago, bleedblue said:

Lots of great free stuff on youtube but if you're willing to shell out a small fee per month Pluralsight is amazing. I was trained to be a mostly back end Java guy but 99% of the work I'm doing now is Angular, React, other JS framework for which I wasn't formally trained. Everything I know I learned from work experience, stackoverflow, and Pluralsight.

Any books? Books are my favorite way, and videos if i have trouble comprehensing an idea. 

 

I like to hold the physical book in my hands lol

[bleedblue]

19 minutes ago, Kamjam66xx said:

 

Hmm... I used Ebooks back when I was in University, but there should be hard copies as well. The only ones I can remember the titles of are Spring MVC Blueprints and Spring MVC Beginner's guide, they were written by the guy who would later become my boss lol.

[wasab]

Either you have a degree or 10 years or so proffesional experiences without one. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

11 hours ago, Kamjam66xx said:

What does it take to actually start a job software engineering in c++? I want to make sure i know enough before i make my rounds. 

 

Can a mod please move this to programming?

A random assortment of thoughts

• Make sure the language you want to learn is actually relevant to the types of things you want to do. Or at the very least, have a working knowledge of multiple languages. I don't think it's the fact you know multiple languages that gives you an edge, but the fact you're flexible enough to learn something new.
• A college degree will give you a leg-up in the job market, but I'd argue only if you're the person who's looking around on job boards and posting resumes.
  • The only alternative to this I've seen is the so-called coding boot camps. Though I don't know how effective these are at either teaching you software development or getting a job.
• Work on projects, big or small. The more practical examples you can give, the better you'll look.
• Connect with people in the field. Not only will they offer insight and advice, but they may be able to get your foot in the door.

If anything, I'd argue your connections, related skills, and past works in that order are what get you jobs in this field. Everything else is buzzwords to get you past the automated resume filter.

[vorticalbox]

12 hours ago, FloRolf said:

Probably some kind of degree or certificate? 

 

12 hours ago, bleedblue said:

A college degree.

I used to think the same until I got my job. I know for a fact the cto didn't hire me for my degree bit for my portfolio and my enthusiasm for programming.

 

I got involved in a number of open source projects in the year from leaving uni to getting the job.

 

 

[Kamjam66xx]

Well thanks for all of the input. I might test out of all of the classes at somewhere cheap if i get the extra money. I got a pretty solid plan then. Thanks guys!

 

[NiceRice]

This might not necessarily answer your question, but please let me give you two little pieces of advice, that I myself learned from others and experience, and which I consider to be quite valuable:

• Don't restrict yourself to any language - Ok, I admit, you have to start off with a language. Furthermore it is ofcourse very good to be comfortable and have expertise in a language, BUT a good developer is not determined by the language he (has to) writes in, rather by his ability to adapt to any conditions that come up. Programming constantly evolves, and it is important to always go with the flow and keep up to date with new languages, frameworks etc. (That is when you want to have unrestricted access to any project that interests you). Many developers fail or are stuck on the same boring project, because they lose touch/interested.
• Just do it - This may sound like I utterly ignore your question, but when you are lucky enough to get accepted at any programming job, your learning curve will grow significantly. Finally you have solid projects to work on, and more senior developres that can consult on any questions you have.

If I were you I would probably apply at a start-up. They don't usually pay very well but the experience is really good to make and it is easier to get in without any prior experiences or qualifications