Games Crashing on RTX 2080

[Tristerin]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

The power cost has pretty much stayed the same or gone down the last 5 years depending on what top end card you are counting.

 

20-50$ depending on what PSU we are talking is quite a big step for quite a few people. Offcourse if you have the money to spend get something overkill, but otherwise a 500/550 watt is enough

 

A high quality 500/550 watt is a lot better than a low quality 750 one.

Im the same guy who makes sure I can feed 20 people if 12 people are coming over.  Fortune favors the prepared.

[GoldenLag]

7 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Im the same guy who makes sure I can feed 20 people if 12 people are coming over.  Fortune favors the prepared.

And yet those that scrape the barrel make shure they can feed 4 when they await 3.

 

Im not saying you shouldnt have overhead, but there are other prioreties in a build. One of them is not skimping on the PSU, but that doesnt mean they should overpay on a PSU when trends say otherwise. Keep in mind the last gen's best system using an 8700k and a 1080ti you could feed using a 500watt PSU. And the gen before that you needed 500 watts. And the gen before that you probably would need a 550 watt.

[Tristerin]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

And yet those that scrape the barrel make shure they can feed 4 when they await 3.

 

Im not saying you shouldnt have overhead, but there are other prioreties in a build. One of them is not skimping on the PSU, but that doesnt mean they should overpay on a PSU when trends say otherwise. Keep in mind the last gen's best system using an 8700k and a 1080ti you could feed using a 500watt PSU. And the gen before that you needed 500 watts. And the gen before that you probably would need a 550 watt.

*and yet those who shouldn't be spending money on PCs make sure they do, while they take a risk not making their rent/mortgage.

 

Because my priorities are better in line does not mean I am rich.  Does not mean I have extra income.  It means I am budget oriented and save up for what is best, not what gets me the quickest kick fastest.  Theres ye ol' donut test you can read about.  There are two types of people.  Those who will wait for Fresh Donuts...and those who will eat the dry old ones now to satisfy their urges.  I grew up in foster care and emancipated at 15 so I view this as a PRIORITY issue.

 

EDIT - when I see *I cant do $20 more* I cant understand why.  Other than they feel they must have this now, even at the cost of causing issues in the future.

[FastRDust]

11 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

*and yet those who shouldn't be spending money on PCs make sure they do, while they take a risk not making their rent/mortgage.

 

Because my priorities are better in line does not mean I am rich.  Does not mean I have extra income.  It means I am budget oriented and save up for what is best, not what gets me the quickest kick fastest.  Theres ye ol' donut test you can read about.  There are two types of people.  Those who will wait for Fresh Donuts...and those who will eat the dry old ones now to satisfy their urges.  I grew up in foster care and emancipated at 15 so I view this as a PRIORITY issue.

 

EDIT - when I see *I cant do $20 more* I cant understand why.  Other than they feel they must have this now, even at the cost of causing issues in the future.

I agree, then i would also recommend waiting and getting something good.

If i don't have something now i will save up for it.

 

unless you have no income, then that would be a problem.

[FastRDust]

18 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

And yet those that scrape the barrel make shure they can feed 4 when they await 3.

 

Im not saying you shouldnt have overhead, but there are other prioreties in a build. One of them is not skimping on the PSU, but that doesnt mean they should overpay on a PSU when trends say otherwise. Keep in mind the last gen's best system using an 8700k and a 1080ti you could feed using a 500watt PSU. And the gen before that you needed 500 watts. And the gen before that you probably would need a 550 watt.

The "trend" you are referring to was from 2016 when that generation was allot about energie efficient cards.

Does not mean that it is still the same.

 

( referring to the post you linked  )

[EspinalAndres]

The problem is now your W capacity, is that your PSU us failing, try another PSU and test it.

[Tristerin]

51 minutes ago, FastRDust said:

The "trend" you are referring to was from 2016 when that generation was allot about energie efficient cards.

Does not mean that it is still the same.

 

( referring to the post you linked  )

Agreed

There are so many laws and principles to follow to try to see if there is going to be more efficiency in the future...or not...and in the end I just google "GTX TDP" - which takes you to Wiki page.  About 1/5th the way down they start to track the TDP beginning with GeForce 8 series...and well..you can see the trend yourself.  Its been going up and up and up - the last 2 gens have evened out and mellowed compared to the 780ti...but if past practice dictates future...next gen will be a 400w card.  Why?  Cause isn't the theory with RTX right now that they are going to be underpowered since we are hitting the max TDP WITHOUT using the Ray Tracing Cores and Tensor Cores yet (or whatever they are called, Im Team Red - EVEN MORE POWA HUNGRY)  Not sure why people think the minimum should be all you *need* as a gamer.  Seems like a waste to me to buy minimum.

[GoldenLag]

1 hour ago, Tristerin said:

when I see *I cant do $20 more* I cant understand why.  Other than they feel they must have this now, even at the cost of causing issues in the future.

You know, someone sets a budget aside, they dont really wont to spend more. Ik, i do budget configs all the time.

 

"Do you want this GPU that is 40% faster or this PSU with an extra 200watts you will never use, even in future upgrades"

 

59 minutes ago, FastRDust said:

I agree, then i would also recommend waiting and getting something good.

If i don't have something now i will save up for it.

 

unless you have no income, then that would be a problem.

Since when wasnt a tier 2 PSU good? Also it could be other issues other than not enough wattage as it should be plenty. (Even at peak powerdraw)

 

59 minutes ago, FastRDust said:

The "trend" you are referring to was from 2016 when that generation was allot about energie efficient cards.

Does not mean that it is still the same.

 

( referring to the post you linked  )

Yet node switch and cooler sizes say otherwise........... 

 

9 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

the last 2 gens have evened out and mellowed compared to the 780ti...but if past practice dictates future...next gen will be a 400w card. 

Actually past cards were limited TDP do to yield issues on nodes and then couldnt be made bigger. If they could they would go up to what coolers could support, but they couldnt. Also next gen is 7nm, so idk what you are on about. Powerdraw iss down

 

Node switching and current trend in GPU design (datacenter and more) say things will get more efficient. This is a trend.

 

12 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Not sure why people think the minimum should be all you *need* as a gamer.  Seems like a waste to me to buy minimum.

Thats why people buy 450+ watts. It satisfies for future product releases according to trends. 

[Tristerin]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

You know, someone sets a budget aside, they dont really wont to spend more. Ik, i do budget configs all the time.

 

"Do you want this GPU that is 40% faster or this PSU with an extra 200watts you will never use, even in future upgrades"

 

Since when wasnt a tier 2 PSU good? Also it could be other issues other than not enough wattage as it should be plenty. (Even at peak powerdraw)

 

Yet node switch and cooler sizes say otherwise........... 

 

Actually past cards were limited TDP do to yield issues on nodes and then couldnt be made bigger. If they could they would go up to what coolers could support, but they couldnt. Also next gen is 7nm, so idk what you are on about. Powerdraw iss down

 

Node switching and current trend in GPU design (datacenter and more) say things will get more efficient. This is a trend.

 

Thats why people buy 450+ watts. It satisfies for future product releases according to trends. 

 

Die sizes have been going down down down and watts have been going up up up on those charts so no I don't see the trend you see (the links I provided)

 

Is it supposed to work that way?  I think so but the data doesn't represent that.

 

Im not sure we are the same type of gamer for you to say 450w is enough for futureproof or not being called "wasteful" in my book.  Budgets aside lets go back to priorities and patience.

[GoldenLag]

8 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Die sizes have been going down down down and watts have been going up up up on those charts so no I don't see the trend you see (the links I provided)

What links? I must be blind after scrolling through twice

 

Highest powerdraw GPUs have stayed constant the past 5 years last time i checked.

 

11 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Is it supposed to work that way?  I think so but the data doesn't represent that.

Usually it is node shrink with lower powerdraw, then it is larger die on the same node which increases powerdraw accordingly, though not as high as previus gen. Powerdraw hasnt gone up the last 5 years.

 

14 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Im not sure we are the same type of gamer for you to say 450w is enough for futureproof or not being called "wasteful" in my book

450 watt is the bare minimum on recomendations as it the lowest wattage PSUs that still are quality are there. 650 watt is the highest you need even when overclocking. (Single setup systems, SLI and crossfire and workstation is different)

 

17 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Budgets aside lets go back to priorities and patience.

If you have the budget for a high quality PSU, go for it, but 500 watts will suit you just fine no problem

 

[Tristerin]

22 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

What links? I must be blind after scrolling through twice

 

Highest powerdraw GPUs have stayed constant the past 5 years last time i checked.

 

Usually it is node shrink with lower powerdraw, then it is larger die on the same node which increases powerdraw accordingly, though not as high as previus gen. Powerdraw hasnt gone up the last 5 years.

 

450 watt is the bare minimum on recomendations as it the lowest wattage PSUs that still are quality are there. 650 watt is the highest you need even when overclocking. (Single setup systems, SLI and crossfire and workstation is different)

 

If you have the budget for a high quality PSU, go for it, but 500 watts will suit you just fine no problem

 

Links...to Wiki...which are there lol to show you the TPD trend through NVIDIA (and you can see the same for AMD) - there is a trend - Architecture shrinks, die size shrinks, transistor count goes up, wattage increases.  I also said that the last 3 generations have even keeled out - but isn't the problem with RTX that its using the max 250w already WITHOUT engaging Ray Tracing and Tensor cores?  There are plenty of discussions about that.

 

Here is the AMD one, just go into it with an open mind not a preconceived idea.  Im truly trying to understand why anyone thinks 500w will be enough in...3 years (my PSU has a 10 year Warranty and will work for at least another 8 through its Warranty - example of why I went 850...these trends...and I crossfired this rig)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units

[GoldenLag]

9 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Here is the AMD one, just go into it with an open mind not a preconceived idea.  Im truly trying to understand why anyone thinks 500w will be enough in...3 years (my PSU has a 10 year Warranty and will work for at least another 8 through its Warranty - example of why I went 850...these trends...and I crossfired this rig)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units

well you didnt post this link, but you need to go back to 2010 to start see a drop of in power. after that its the same and a drop off into polaris.

 

offcourse you have Vega, and Vega is offcourse Vega. and i completely agree Vega shouldnt be run with a 500 watt PSU. 

 

11 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Links...to Wiki...which are there lol to show you the TPD trend through NVIDIA (and you can see the same for AMD) - there is a trend - Architecture shrinks, die size shrinks, transistor count goes up, wattage increases.  I also said that the last 3 generations have even keeled out - but isn't the problem with RTX that its using the max 250w already WITHOUT engaging Ray Tracing and Tensor cores?  There are plenty of discussions about that.

well 250 watts have been the high end of power for quite some time. we dont know what power the card actually draws when doing raytracing and more, but the cards are VRM limited so i doubt we will see a higher powerdraw