Looking for an affordable Upgrade

[Jacoboni]

So I've got an old i5-3570k in my rig and I'm looking to upgrade in the near future. I don't have enough money to go buying 300-400 dollar processors, though. For reference I've got it overclocked to 4.5 GHz on all 4 cores. I only use this computer for gaming and I play some pretty resource heavy games like assassins creed and other triple A titles and I've been noticing a slight cpu bottleneck on my gtx 1080 in some titles.

 

How much of an upgrade would it be to go to an i3-8350k (if there is any increase at all)? If you think the i3 is a good processor, how much do you think I can overclock it?

Does Ryzen have a better processor for about the same price (around $200)?

Or do I need to look more into the newer i5 or i7 for a meaningful upgrade?

 

As for RAM and motherboard, do these effect performance in games enough to notice? Or should I just go for whatever is cheapest/on sale? Obviously I wouldn't be so cheap to get something that negatively impacts performance (like a non z board) but I don't necessarily need to get the ROG Maximus, either.

 

Thanks for your help guys!

[Ashleyyyy]

games will start being optimized for more than 4 threads in the future. buying a 4 thread cpu now is a bad idea. 

[Streetguru]

8 minutes ago, Jacoboni said:

 

What's your total budget for the upgrades?

Please tell me you aren't using that GTX 1080 on a 1080p 60hz monitor...

[RAM555789]

I would get a core i5-8400 with a B360 board over a i3-8350k + Z370 mobo + a cooler. Its cheaper, better performance, the only downside is the board will probably be micro-atx and only have 2 RAM slots, so either go straight with 2x8GB sticks for 16GB or only buy 1x8GB stick and get a second later.

[Jurrunio]

8350k at stock is like 3570k at 5GHz, so there is a big gain. However it's rather pointless to go that route when the Ryzen 5 2600 (6 core 12 thread) CPU cost only $160 each.

 

8 minutes ago, Jacoboni said:

As for RAM and motherboard, do these effect performance in games enough to notice?

On Ryzen, yes. RAM affects the infinity fabric transfer rate and latency, which affects how fast the CPU cores are filled with work. B450 boards already support overclocking, a good one cost $100. 16GB 3000MHz CL15/16 DDR4 cost like $110-120.

 

On Intel, RAM only affects those going for super high frame rates for their equally bonkers monitors.

[Mooshi]

Never heard someone call going from an i5 to an i3 an upgrade lol

[Jacoboni]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

What's your total budget for the upgrades?

Please tell me you aren't using that GTX 1080 on a 1080p 60hz monitor...

I have a 1440p monitor, so there's more workload put on the gpu than the cpu

[iKingRPG]

11 minutes ago, Jacoboni said:

So I've got an old i5-3570k in my rig and I'm looking to upgrade in the near future. I don't have enough money to go buying 300-400 dollar processors, though. For reference I've got it overclocked to 4.5 GHz on all 4 cores. I only use this computer for gaming and I play some pretty resource heavy games like assassins creed and other triple A titles and I've been noticing a slight cpu bottleneck on my gtx 1080 in some titles.

 

How much of an upgrade would it be to go to an i3-8350k (if there is any increase at all)? If you think the i3 is a good processor, how much do you think I can overclock it?

Does Ryzen have a better processor for about the same price (around $200)?

Or do I need to look more into the newer i5 or i7 for a meaningful upgrade?

 

As for RAM and motherboard, do these effect performance in games enough to notice? Or should I just go for whatever is cheapest/on sale? Obviously I wouldn't be so cheap to get something that negatively impacts performance (like a non z board) but I don't necessarily need to get the ROG Maximus, either.

 

Thanks for your help guys!

NO. I think you should get a i5-7600k. It is better still.

[Jacoboni]

1 minute ago, Mooshi said:

Never heard someone call going from an i5 to an i3 an upgrade lol

You have to remember though, the i5-3570k came out in 2012

[Streetguru]

Just now, Jacoboni said:

I have a 1440p monitor, so there's more workload put on the gpu than the cpu

But what's your budget?

 

An R5 2600 + MSI Tomahawk + DDR4 is going to run from about $350-450 depending on a few things and 8GB or 16GBs of RAM.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, iKingRPG said:

NO. I think you should get a i5-7600k. It is better still.

troll

[Jacoboni]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

But what's your budget?

 

An R5 2600 + MSI Tomahawk + DDR4 is going to run from about $350-450 depending on a few things and 8GB or 16GBs of RAM.

It would be really nice if it all came to under $500 but that's probably not realistic for an i5 or higher. I'm willing to wait for good sales/Black Friday.

[Jacoboni]

13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

8350k at stock is like 3570k at 5GHz, so there is a big gain. However it's rather pointless to go that route when the Ryzen 5 2600 (6 core 12 thread) CPU cost only $160 each.

$160! How would you say it compares to the 8600k? and how about my current 3570k?

[Streetguru]

9 minutes ago, Jacoboni said:

It would be really nice if it all came to under $500 but that's probably not realistic for an i5 or higher. I'm willing to wait for good sales/Black Friday.

$400 for the upgrade to ryzen

 

still going to get over 100fps in the average AAA game

If you were going intel you'd want the i7 8700 non K over the i5 8600K for the extra threads in the long run. Already boosts to 4.3ghz anyways.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vfp4Bb
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vfp4Bb/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($107.37 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($114.99 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $382.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, Jacoboni said:

$160! How would you say it compares to the 8600k? and how about my current 3570k?

Worse case: At 1080p it's about 20% slower than an 8600k when both are overclocked hard and using a 1080ti

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3288-amd-r5-2600-2600x-review-stream-benchmarks-gaming-blender/page-3

 

At 1440p with a GTX 1080, difference should be within 5%.

 

3570k...can't even find a graph that compares the 8100 with Ryzen 5 2600, so let's say a massive difference.

[Jacoboni]

Thanks everyone. I'm going to wait till black friday to see what I can see. The $400 ryzen 5 2600 upgrade looks pretty good, though.

[Lord Letto]

53 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

Never heard someone call going from an i5 to an i3 an upgrade lol

8th gen i3 (Coffee Lake) is 4C 4T just like the older i5 CPUs, the i3-8350k is pretty much a i5-7600k

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7600K-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8350K/3885vs3935

[Jacoboni]

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8vPkgw
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8vPkgw/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($113.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $433.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-26 23:51 EDT-0400

 

 

Going off what you said about the 2600, I put together a rgb list. Of course it's more expensive and doesn't increase performance, but it is within budget.

[Streetguru]

7 minutes ago, Jacoboni said:

 

If you're going to spend more money on the board, just get a better motherboard. Any of the X470 boards will be fine

[Jacoboni]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

 

what exactly is the difference between b450 and x470? the can both overclock, right?

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Jacoboni said:

what exactly is the difference between b450 and x470? the can both overclock, right?

Most of the B450 boards only have 4 phase VRMs at best, the entry level X470 boards have something more like an 8 phase for possibly better overclocking

 

especially say the Ultra Gaming for the 6 cores with it's boost override.
 

 

[Lord Letto]

For $500 (before taxes & stuff), here's a Ryzen 7 2700, ASUS X470 board & a 8GB kit of RAM (8GB should be enough to get started, can add another kit later for 16GB), keep in mind if you wait for black friday/cyber monday you can possibly get it for less:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor  ($265.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($158.45 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $498.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 00:13 EDT-0400