ryzen or wait for proper intel prices ?

[tautvydas]

basicly title
been planning to buy i7-8700 (non k) and cheapest asus Z370 mb i could find and pair it with 1060 6gb
my goal was basic 1080p gaming with some games running 144fps+ for that 144Hz monitor .

Going for i7 since it has that HT and since its intel it has that higher base freq. 6c /12 Threads seems like future proof cpu that's why i would only need to change GPU when things start to feel crappy

(i'm a bit heavy multitask-er thats why i feel HT cpu would benefit me a bit more than my current 4th gen i5 , also recently started to use quite a decent amount of virtualization programs like GNS , VMvare etc.)

but now intel fucked up big time and where i'm from that cpu went from ~300 Eur. to almost 500 Eur. and it really feels like it's not worth it to buy one right now.

Thats why iv been looking a bit at Ryzen 7 2700X since its price is actually reasonable.

 

so the main questions are :
1) besides that 10-20 FPS hit i would get going for ryzen is there any other drawbacks or benefits over intel (i will not overclock at all) ?
2) should i wait for Q3 2019 for intel prices to go down , but possibly ryzen 7nm cpus will be out by then .

[Origami Cactus]

If you can wait for Q1 2019 for amd 7nm cpus to come out then i recommend that. Otherways for 500€ i dont recommend the i7 8700 at all, you could get a threadripper 1920x for that.

And if you need a cpu right this instant, get the 2700x. 

[ThePD]

Price to performance the Ryzen 2700X will be unbeatable. The average person will not notice a difference between 144-130 fps. Like Cactus has said above, if you can wait for Q1 2019 for 3rd generation Ryzen, then wait.

[LukeSavenije]

to give a little advice from things i've experienced with other treads: @ThePD and @Origami Cactus suggested the 2700x. I would get the non-x becouse its cheaper, and it only doesn't turbo as high as the x-version, but that can be won with overclocking. The non-x versions are also unlocked and don't have any more advantage then a x version. of course there's still sillicon lottery, but that's all. I would get a 2700 or 1920x for your build if you want to spend that much money

Edited October 22, 2018 by LukeSavenije

[Jimkirk363]

I have the 2700x Ryzen and it works brilliantly.

[CTR640]

Which CPU do you have now and do you need a new one? If yes, Ryzen 2700X like the others said.

€500 for 8700 is theft.

[tautvydas]

23 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

to give a little advice from things i've experienced with other treads: @ThePD and @Origami Cactus suggested the 2700x. I would get the non-x becouse its cheaper, and it only doesn't turbo as high as the x-version, but that can be won with overclocking. The non-x versions are also unlocked and don't have any more advantage then a x version. of course there's still sillicon lottery, but that's all. I would get a 2700 or 1920x for your build if you want to spend that much money

i mentioned above that i wont do any overclocking for any reason ever, thats why i'm metioning locked i7 and already "oc" 2700x

[LukeSavenije]

3 hours ago, tautvydas said:

i mentioned above that i wont do any overclocking for any reason ever, thats why i'm metioning locked i7 and already "oc" 2700x

I get that, but why not overclock it up to the turbo speed of the x version? Couldnt see anything wrong with that exept for warrenty

[Zando_]

4 hours ago, ThePD said:

Price to performance the Ryzen 2700X will be unbeatable. The average person will not notice a difference between 144-130 fps. Like Cactus has said above, if you can wait for Q1 2019 for 3rd generation Ryzen, then wait.

^^^^ With a 1080 my R7 2700X keeps most games at 120+ fps on 1080p Ultra. Just OCed it to 4.25GHz and I have SLI 1080s now so I'll probs do moar testing, but it's a freaking powerful CPU. Stomps the 8700/8700K in multicore as well. 

[kevinisbeast707]

If you're waiting for intel to "fix" its pricing, well you'll probably be waiting just as long as people who want better price to performance ratios in Nvidias new gpu's. Ryzen really is good enough for pretty much everything. On an r5 1600 at 3.85Ghz pretty much every game runs perfectly. Gta V is still weird sometimes on ryzen but it's barely noticeable. If you can grab the 2700x or even the 2600x on a good deal then you're killing it.

[tautvydas]

11 hours ago, kevinisbeast707 said:

If you're waiting for intel to "fix" its pricing, well you'll probably be waiting just as long as people who want better price to performance ratios in Nvidias new gpu's. Ryzen really is good enough for pretty much everything. On an r5 1600 at 3.85Ghz pretty much every game runs perfectly. Gta V is still weird sometimes on ryzen but it's barely noticeable. If you can grab the 2700x or even the 2600x on a good deal then you're killing it.

 

11 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

^^^^ With a 1080 my R7 2700X keeps most games at 120+ fps on 1080p Ultra. Just OCed it to 4.25GHz and I have SLI 1080s now so I'll probs do moar testing, but it's a freaking powerful CPU. Stomps the 8700/8700K in multicore as well. 

 

yeah been looking up about 2700x and from what i can see that cpu runs a hella hot , also cpu cooler i was set on buying does not rly go with AM4 socket so that sucks even more

[Reznik]

Ryzen truly is a incredible value.  Running a 2600 here with a 1070 and couldn't be happier, seems like I have very little invested in this build for what I got.  I can't imagine someone being disappointed with performance of a 2700x. 

[Zando_]

6 hours ago, tautvydas said:

 

 

yeah been looking up about 2700x and from what i can see that cpu runs a hella hot , also cpu cooler i was set on buying does not rly go with AM4 socket so that sucks even more

Not as hot as Intel. My 8700K was hitting 85C at stock on a Cryorig H5 Ultimate, which is pretty beefy, and my 5GHz 8600K hit 93C or so IIRC, on the same cooler. Still gets above 81C on an NH-D15S. My R7 2700X hit that at stock on the stock cooler. At 4.25GHz it'll hop up to 82C on a 280mm AIO but if it's under full load and not spikes, it stays at about 40-60C. 

[tautvydas]

3 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Not as hot as Intel. My 8700K was hitting 85C at stock on a Cryorig H5 Ultimate, which is pretty beefy, and my 5GHz 8600K hit 93C or so IIRC, on the same cooler. Still gets above 81C on an NH-D15S. My R7 2700X hit that at stock on the stock cooler. At 4.25GHz it'll hop up to 82C on a 280mm AIO but if it's under full load and not spikes, it stays at about 40-60C. 

well yeah K and oc'd chips ofc will run hot

what i had in mind was that some people said that auto voltage for 2700x is super shitty and it spikes super high , and well thats not good in the long run

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, tautvydas said:

well yeah K and oc'd chips ofc will run hot

what i had in mind was that some people said that auto voltage for 2700x is super shitty and it spikes super high , and well thats not good in the long run

Yep, if you leave it on auto it'll utterly violate the TDP and on some mobos can boost cores to 4.3GHz. Basically it just goes off the power and thermal limits and pulls whatever voltage it wants from there. Set to manual though it stays at 1.43-44 max, or if I set it to 1.4 it usually stays pinned on that. (1.45v is max safe for Ryzen, and I'm running a Crosshair VII). 

[tautvydas]

17 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yep, if you leave it on auto it'll utterly violate the TDP and on some mobos can boost cores to 4.3GHz. Basically it just goes off the power and thermal limits and pulls whatever voltage it wants from there. Set to manual though it stays at 1.43-44 max, or if I set it to 1.4 it usually stays pinned on that. (1.45v is max safe for Ryzen, and I'm running a Crosshair VII). 

yeah well thats the thing, i want the best put it together and leave it as it is thing, i'm not that into nitpicking stuff like that , best out of the box performance is my go to thats why i was looking at non K i7

 

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, tautvydas said:

yeah well thats the thing, i want the best put it together and leave it as it is thing, i'm not that into nitpicking stuff like that , best out of the box performance is my go to thats why i was looking at non K i7

 

Then just leave everything on auto in the BIOS, except for the XMP profile to get your RAM speed up, and manually set the voltage to 1.4 or something (if you set it to that it usually won't pull over 1.45) and it'll boost as much as it can without eating more voltage. 

[Queen Chrysalis]

Get the 2600 and save your money.  No games will use cores 7 and 8, and cores 1 through 6 are exactly the same.  Its literally half the price.

[kevinisbeast707]

On 10/23/2018 at 12:53 PM, Queen Chrysalis said:

Get the 2600 and save your money.  No games will use cores 7 and 8, and cores 1 through 6 are exactly the same.  Its literally half the price.

I do agree that something like the 2600x (OP doesn't want to oc) makes more sense unless you plan to stream. Though with that said, for virtualization purposes, the 2700x would make sense. You shouldn't worry about thermals on the 2700x. Using something like the hyper 212 evo or something or even something cheap like a cooler master 120mm aio and it should be fine. If you're really concerned about thermals then you can disable the auto core boosting and that'll keep the cpu within tdp solving the thermal issues. I wouldn't leave it at 1.4v since some mobos will lock it at that voltage and gamersnexus showed that not all mobos actually output the same voltage that they are saying.

[LinusOnLine]

If you are not going to overclock at all just go with the normal 2700 and not the X version. You will not need another cooler for it and the voltage is much lower than on the X version. You get everything the X has with the difference that performance boost boosts it to 4.1 instead of 4.3. It is also much cheaper.