Why all the storage?

[mitchpman13]

Just got done watching the new $5,500 tape drive video and it hit me. Why does Linus (and other YouTubers) want to store every video they've ever made? I can understand keeping them for maybe a few years or so, but why all of it and spend the cost of the storage servers? To me, it feels like its a tad bit on the hoarding side, but maybe there something I'm not understanding here. Even if I had a large collection of videos I've made and put on Youtube, I personally couldn't see keeping every single one of them stored.

[Jurrunio]

If Youtube shuts down and they have to start somewhere else?

[KSores]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

If Youtube shuts down and they have to start somewhere else?

would they really want all their unboxing videos tho?

[Jurrunio]

Just now, KyleandThings said:

would they really want all their unboxing videos tho?

They do in fact. I havent seen a content creator that dont havr backups of their own, they at most compress videos to lower resolutions before storing them.

[Slottr]

Say you own an accounting firm

 

Every client you have, you will want to make sure you keep a copy or reference of the work you have done for each client.

 

I would believe the same idea applies here. Every product or service you release you want to keep track of it. Can come in handy if there are legal or related problems in the future (Obviously theres many more reasons, but I believe this is the biggest contender)

 

Then as @Jurrunio said, when youtube eventually fails, having a backup of those files will help immensely when moving to a different platform 

[emosun]

well go find all your family photos from decades past and throw them away then.

[mitchpman13]

Well even when they started Vessel, they didn't upload any old videos, just new ones. If youtube were to fail, a lot of videos wouldn't even really be relevant, who would watch benchmarks on a GTX 680?

17 minutes ago, Redstoneary said:

To them I guess they could be memories, like how you might store all your pictures on an external hard drive.

I can understand working hard on videos and them having some sentimental value, but most of them you'd be very rarely likely to go back and watch.

 

11 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Every product or service you release you want to keep track of it. Can come in handy if there are legal or related problems in the future

I could see this being one, I don't fully understand most copyright laws, but it seems too large of a hassle if someone copyrighted a video of mine from say 8 years ago on a video I might hardly even remember.

[emosun]

you know while were at it lets throw away all the backups we made of the original reels to starwars seeing as how i can't foresee a situation where that will ever be popular again.

[mitchpman13]

1 minute ago, emosun said:

well go find all your family photos from decades past and throw them away then.

Photos are something you can skim through very easy, 1000's of hours of videos on products that eventually people will hardly remember?

[emosun]

1 minute ago, mitchpman13 said:

Photos are something you can skim through very easy

unlike a list of files on a computer , they should make some sort of browser for that , for files.

1 minute ago, mitchpman13 said:

1000's of hours of videos on products that eventually people will hardly remember?

and yet i go to a channel like motorweek and their most popular videos are of reviews of products that are from 20-30 years ago.

[Slottr]

5 minutes ago, mitchpman13 said:

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So if you made something, say a logo, and then 5 years later you see someone else using it, someone you absolutely know you didnt license it to- you wouldnt care at all?

[mitchpman13]

3 minutes ago, Slottr said:

So if you made something, say a logo, and then 5 years later you see someone else using it, someone you absolutely know you didnt license it to- you wouldnt care at all?

A logo would be a little different as it can be an iconic figure, unlike a video. If it were to be my current one, then I would most likely care, but say an old one I hadn't been using for a while and probably wouldn't go back to, probably not.

 

[Slottr]

6 minutes ago, mitchpman13 said:

A logo would be a little different as it can be an iconic figure, unlike a video. If it were to be my current one, then I would most likely care, but say an old one I hadn't been using for a while and probably wouldn't go back to, probably not.

 

You're cool with someone making money off your hard work?

[Jtalk4456]

13 minutes ago, mitchpman13 said:

Well even when they started Vessel, they didn't upload any old videos, just new ones. If youtube were to fail, a lot of videos wouldn't even really be relevant, who would watch benchmarks on a GTX 680?

I can understand working hard on videos and them having some sentimental value, but most of them you'd be very rarely likely to go back and watch.

It's not just about rewatching videos. They commonly use clips from old videos in their new videos, so having all the footage is very necessary

[Myron]

They don't just store a single version of each video they've uploaded, I think they also store the original quality files which are really, really large. I think it's unnecessary.

[porina]

31 minutes ago, mitchpman13 said:

Photos are something you can skim through very easy, 1000's of hours of videos on products that eventually people will hardly remember?

If it was so easy can I hire you to sort out my photo collection?  At my worst wildlife photography days, I could generate thousands a session. Even playing tourist using a phone, it is trivially easy to hit hundreds a day. I might only post the best of the best, but I want the others too. They may have a use later on. Not to say I never delete anything, but only the worst like misfocused, motion blurred, or subject is badly framed. After that cull there's still a lot left.

 

I can't imagine NOT storing all of this, at original quality. Since LTT moved to the Reds, I hate to imagine the data they're throwing around.

[Z3R0 CHANC3]

5 hours ago, emosun said:

you know while were at it lets throw away all the backups we made of the original reels to starwars seeing as how i can't foresee a situation where that will ever be popular again.

They did.  Sadly.  Yay despecialized!

 

I would think they'd need to keep them, with a the embedded links if they ever lose a sponsor or affiliate it would be nice to be able to republish if needed with different information.   Plus, if there were copyright infringement they would need the originals to prove their case.

[kasugatei]

Let me tell you all from the first hand regarding the content organization. First of all, what Linus is doing is an super outdated concept where they do everything manually.

Nowadays people use something called media asset management (MAM). So there you basically have all media categorized with corresponding metadata (which can be basically anything). For each media you have HD material (this is not resolution related name, it can be 1080, 4k etc) and proxy (basically lower quality copy of the HD material). Usually the MAM users make rule that eg. after 3 months HD media is automatically moved to tape storage (or cloud based archive like Amazon Glacier)  and removed from the local storage while proxy is still there. Having proxy available all the time means that you can always preview your content from the MAM so if you really need HD material, it can be retrieved from the backup. 

Not to mention that everything described can be automated.

 

So in the case of LMG if they had a MAM, (oversimplified) workflow would be something like this:

1. Editors write the episode and enter it into MAM (who will be the host, script, enter some keywords, fill the rest of metadata etc.)

2. Episode is recorded and raw materials are ingested into system

3. Editors receive a notification that the material for episode is ready

4. Editor(s) responsible for the current episode open Premiere and since all major systems have integration with Premiere, MAM plugin enables editor to edit the content and make an episode

5. When episode editing is done, editor uses Premiere MAM plugin to upload the episode into system

6. (optional) edited episode is automatically checked for errors in video with video QC software

7. The person in charge receives an notification that the episode is ready so they can review it. If episode is ok it goes to next step, otherwise it is returned back to the  editor to fix it.

8. If episode is ok, responsible person clicks that the episode is ok to air so in the background HD material is transcoded into Youtube friendly format and it is uploaded automatically (there are come options like send tweet that new episode is up etc)

9. After x ammount of time HD material is moved from the storage to archive (cloud or tape) and everything else stays in the system

 

Not to mention if you need really specific video that you can search via metadata fields (assuming that you have meaningfully organized metadata) which can speed up process significantly. For example it would take few seconds to find a video eg. where Linus was talking about AMD R290X with Xeon CPU (not sure if that video even exists, but you get my point)

[LogicalDrm]

I mean I keep all videos I've ever made or recorded. I don't keep originals if I've made edited version. Plus I've re-encoded them from .avi and other bad codecs to .mp4 since I don't have money to get 6tb storage drives.