Is AMD a Viable Option in 2018??

[evan140]

Hi. I'm new! *waves*

 

One thing I would like to learn more about is choosing a CPU brand based on which company is more ethical to the consumer. Is there a winner in that respect? (Bonus points for graphics cards too)

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[bleedblue]

4 hours ago, evan140 said:

Hi. I'm new! *waves*

 

One thing I would like to learn more about is choosing a CPU brand based on which company is more ethical to the consumer. Is there a winner in that respect? (Bonus points for graphics cards too)

Welcome!

What do you mean by ethical to the consumer?

[Arika]

4 hours ago, evan140 said:

Hi. I'm new! *waves*

 

One thing I would like to learn more about is choosing a CPU brand based on which company is more ethical to the consumer. Is there a winner in that respect? (Bonus points for graphics cards too)

both are companies that are in it for the money. both make claims about being on the consumers side. 

 

buy the product that suits your needs, because if you buy based of company "ethics" then you will not own anything

[Inversion]

Looking at the gaming graphs, If you're gaming at 1080p60 or 1440p60 then you would be just as well off saving the money and going AMD because in most cases the minimums weren't below 60FPS. If you're gaming at 4K then yes Intel is still king but this forum has been saying for years that Intel is still better for gaming but if you're on a budget or don't play at 4K or high refresh rate, then you should save the money and go AMD

[manikyath]

12 hours ago, eisenklad said:

viable

ˈvʌɪəb(ə)l/

adjective

1. capable of working successfully; feasible.

   synonyms:

   workable, feasible, practicable, practical, applicable, usable, manageable, operable, operational, possible, within the bounds/realms of possibility, within reach, within reason, likely, achievable, attainable, accomplishable, realizable, reasonable, sensible, realistic, logical, useful, of use, serviceable, suitable, expedient, effective, valid, tenable

    

    

   i didnt realize that Viable had to be  cost effective to the Nth degree that you cant say out right. "Yes, its Viable"

    

   if your arent running single Threaded games like minecraft, save yourself that 60 dollars with an AMD cpu and buy a game or two. you wont lose much. i can chalk up that 20% lead is optimization. its a hard fact that game devs dont spend as much optimizing their code as adding more content/ DLCs/ fixing Bugs. So for AMD which is still catching up to Intel in market share, there less of an incentive to optimize for AMD.

    

   StoreMi/RST isnt a feature most users look out but its an added bonus.
   Gamers might appreciate the faster load times, but at a certain point, they should have decently large enough ram instead of depending on storage solutions that has the performance benefit that is rated in micro seconds.

    

    

    

linus didnt say it wasnt a viable option, he just puts the facts on the table, and goes from there.

 

as for the reason AMD may perform not as good.. it actually in this case doesnt really matter.

if tomorrow a third GPU manufacturer appears whose hardware is mindblowingly faster for the price, but literally nothing is optimized for it, its not a good buy

 

also, the "multicore optimization" side of games hasnt really changed much, quite simply put the amount of cores games use are still less or equal to the number of cores that we find in flagship desktop processors.

 

i'm still considering ryzen for my own desktop, but thats because of the insane numbercrushing performance, not for any edge in "just plain gaming". which honestly is a category where i really find AMD's concept fits in really well in general. unfortunately "just plain gaming" is still a category where anything past the 4th core is basicly sitting idle.

[BuyEOS]

14 hours ago, LMG Ivan said:

In April of 2017, AMD blindsided Intel by launching brand-new Ryzen series of processors. How does second-gen Ryzen stack against the competition in 2018?

 

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At 4:37..

 

In the result, it says Ryzen processor has slitly better performance on Adobe premiere..

 

As far as I know Adobe is advantagous to Intel.

 

Can you review your benchmark Linus?

[Sauron]

13 hours ago, Daniel644 said:

to sum up the video, EVERYTHING, EVERYONE has been saying for the last YEAR and a half (almost) on the "New Builds" section of this forum. Ryzen for Workstations, Intel for Gaming.

*Ryzen for everything UNLESS you only ever play games on your pc.

[The Knome]

What I took from this:
Intel = show pony
AMD = workhorse

ROI winner = AMD

[Zando_]

17 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

To be fair, the "max fps!" thing isn't that massive between that and the 8700k.  Ya, you'll get more frames with the 8700k, but it's not like the difference between FX and Haswell for example.  It's a very minimal difference if anything.  If you're doing multi-tasking while gaming ya the 2700x is going to be better.  But, it matters less and less at higher resolutions.

It is fun to pull 60fps solid in Destiny 2 at 7-16% CPU usage... because D2 is optimized for lots of cores (up to 22 IIRC) it spreads the load across all 16 threads. 

[Stefan Payne]

14 hours ago, Daniel644 said:

now that does shift if you are both gaming and streaming from the same machine, then Ryzens higher core count helps significantly,

Its not just the higher core count, its also the memory controller that works in "Dual Single Channel". AMD called that Unganged Mode vs. the Ganged Mode on Intel.

That means that AMD can address each Channel individually.

But that's old stuff, introduced with the K10 back in 2007 or 8.

 

That stuff stuck with AMD for the last 10 Years and it doesn't really look like Intel adopted thigs mechanism (yet)...

 

And I think tek Syndicate did a video about Streaming while gaming a couple of years back with Bulldozer and Ivy Bridge, not sure about Haswell though. And in this case the performance of the Bulldozer was awesome, especially if you take price into account!!

At the time it was like 175€ (+/-25€) for the FX8350 and ~270-300€ for the i7.

 

I think that was the video I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE

 

[Unhelpful]

44 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

And I think tek Syndicate did a video about Streaming while gaming a couple of years back with Bulldozer and Ivy Bridge, not sure about Haswell though. And in this case the performance of the Bulldozer was awesome, especially if you take price into account!!

At the time it was like 175€ (+/-25€) for the FX8350 and ~270-300€ for the i7.

 

I think that was the video I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE

 

And then we had a lot of people flooding the forums about their 8350's not performing like Logans benchmarks. I'm not saying that they faked benchmarks for the sake of views via clickbait... But I'm saying that they exaggerated or cherry picked the fuck out of it.

[LOST TALE]

what was the gpu?

[Stefan Payne]

4 hours ago, LOST TALE said:

what was the gpu?

an earlier Radeon Card like 7970 or something like that.

 

And then we had a lot of people flooding the forums about their 8350's not performing like Logans benchmarks. I'm not saying that they faked benchmarks for the sake of views via clickbait... But I'm saying that they exaggerated or cherry picked the fuck out of it.

Yes, because they do the same thing people always do when buying AMD stuff: Getting the cheapest crap they can find.

Like this thing:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sZh9TW/asrock-motherboard-970pro3r20

 

And other cheapass boards that don't have Heatsinks and/or shitty CPU VRM and throttle the CPU because the VRMs are overheating and the User didn't read the instruction that told him to use a top flow cooler - something like a Noctua NH-C14 or so.

[LOST TALE]

On 9/6/2018 at 5:45 PM, Stefan Payne said:

 

 

And other cheapass boards that don't have Heatsinks and/or shitty CPU VRM and throttle the CPU because the VRMs are overheating and the User didn't read the instruction that told him to use a top flow cooler - something like a Noctua NH-C14 or so.

 

Should I use my h212 evo on my MSI B450-A ?

 

Without overclocking

 

how about with overclocking?

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, LOST TALE said:

Should I use my h212 evo on my MSI B450-A ?

Without overclocking

Sure, why not, if you got the AM4 Upgrade kit or the AM4 compatible Mounting set.

Though I don't like that Heatsink much but its on the cheaper side, so I can forgive it...

1 hour ago, LOST TALE said:

how about with overclocking?

OC doesn't make much sense with Ryzen as they are heavily selected.

So we may be talking about something like +10% higher clockrates (10% at 3,5GHz is 350MHz) at the cost of stability and way higher power consumption...

[LOST TALE]

13 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Sure, why not, if you got the AM4 Upgrade kit or the AM4 compatible Mounting set.

Though I don't like that Heatsink much but its on the cheaper side, so I can forgive it...

OC doesn't make much sense with Ryzen as they are heavily selected.

So we may be talking about something like +10% higher clockrates (10% at 3,5GHz is 350MHz) at the cost of stability and way higher power consumption...

lol I should of just bought a cheap mobo then for my 2600.

[GDRRiley]

On 9/5/2018 at 7:34 PM, evan140 said:

Hi. I'm new! *waves*

 

One thing I would like to learn more about is choosing a CPU brand based on which company is more ethical to the consumer. Is there a winner in that respect? (Bonus points for graphics cards too)

Ok then AMD, 

Intel has pulled some illegal shit in the past. 

Intel tho is conflict free in its resources, we've heard nothing from AMD about it.

[Stefan Payne]

12 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

Intel tho is conflict free in its resources, we've heard nothing from AMD about it.

You have to look at GF and TSMC for that.

I don't see a reason why AMD should use "Conflict Resources".

 

The only real difference is that AMD uses Indium, but that's mainly coming out of China, South Korea, Japan and Canada...

[GDRRiley]

5 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

You have to look at GF and TSMC for that.

I don't see a reason why AMD should use "Conflict Resources".

 

The only real difference is that AMD uses Indium, but that's mainly coming out of China, South Korea, Japan and Canada...

no its often something that happens by accident. Most companies don't try to.