Vehicle warming up

[Motifator]

1 minute ago, dalekphalm said:

I.. uhm... don't think autistic means what you think it does, based on this description haha

 

Small? Cramped? Of poor design? Yes definitely.

Yeah, I was trying to be witty about it a bit..

[techswede]

My car has the sum total of the time it takes me to put the faceplate on my stereo on to warm up and then i'm going. 

Pretty much never goes over 3k rpm during my commute so i don't worry. 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Motifator said:

It also means a JEEP. Aka, an off-road vehicle. Whether you like the "SUV" term or not is not the topic.

You can call a Hilux an UTE for all you like, but it's more of a pick-up. The term UTE truly means a SMALLER pick-up built similarly to a car. This not only applies to the Commodore, but also to those old small Volkswagen / Skoda single cabs.

Also, when somebody says "fourbie", I'd think of an UTV as well. This kind of terminology you use is simply lazy and doesn't exactly tell what kind of, pick-up, for example the vehicle is.

A Jeep is a car brand. It is called a Truck. 

 

Maybe Ute is a more popular term in Australia as you guys like your smaller cars. 'Fourbie' is also jargon. We don't really need to tell what kind of ute it is, because its either a Hilux, a Ranger, or useless lol. 

[Drak3]

5 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Jeep is a car brand.

Jeep is both a brand and a vehicle type. The brand was born when Crysler bought the rights to make civilian versions of the MJ5 and MJ7, AKA the Willys.

 

8 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

It is called a Truck

The Willys were light duty military trucks. Civilian jeeps, like the Wrangler, are SUVs.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Jeep is both a brand and a vehicle type. The brand was born when Crysler bought the rights to make civilian versions of the MJ5 and MJ7, AKA the Willys.

 

The Willys were light duty military trucks. Civilian jeeps, like the Wrangler, are SUVs.

I think I'll have to agree to disagree - different countries different names. 

[Speed Weed]

I heard if you live in a snowy area than it is best to let the engine warm up before driving. 

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

I think I'll have to agree to disagree - different countries different names. 

Half of these classifications are worthless. Which is why SUV has come to include nearly every enclosed bed/passenger area hybrid design larger than a hatchback.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Half of these classifications are worthless. Which is why SUV has come to include nearly every enclosed bed/passenger area hybrid design larger than a hatchback.

Thats true, but I feel cars with 4WD vs AWD vs 2WD need different classifications because all three can be SUVs

[Drak3]

Just now, RorzNZ said:

Thats true, but I feel cars with 4WD vs AWD vs 2WD need different classifications because all three can be SUVs

AWD and 4WD are the same thing if you onoy have 4 wheels.

 

And beyond qualifying classifications with 2/4WD, I think SUV is adequate.

[EPENEX]

Back when I drove, if the windows were frosted, I would heat up the car to get rid of the frost before driving. Once I just scraped the windows off and started driving and the windows frosted up on me when I was on the road so I had to try to pull over, it wasn't fun. So in the winter definitely let your car warm up if you live in a cold area like me. Otherwise in the summer I just start and go.

[dalekphalm]

4 minutes ago, DaPhuc said:

I heard if you live in a snowy area than it is best to let the engine warm up before driving. 

If it's a modern car, then not really.

 

If the area really gets that cold, you're far better off using an Engine Block Heater. Otherwise just start the car, let it fall to idle (should take 5 seconds or so, but depends on the car, age, and how well maintained it is), then just slowly go. Just don't rev the car like crazy until it's warmed up.

 

1 minute ago, RorzNZ said:

Thats true, but I feel cars with 4WD vs AWD vs 2WD need different classifications because all three can be SUVs

Whether a vehicle has 4WD/AWD/FWD/RWD, etc, is irrelevant and not related to whether it's an SUV, Truck, etc.

 

Cars can have AWD. So can pickup trucks. So can cargo vans. So can SUV's. So can hatchbacks, etc.

 

That's a separate spec. Just like engine size or Gas vs Diesel vs Hybrid vs EV, etc. Simply listing what drive-train the vehicle uses should be done separately, and as far as I'm aware, is already common.

[Guest]

Just now, Drak3 said:

AWD and 4WD are the same thing if you onoy have 4 wheels.

 

And beyond qualifying classifications with 2/4WD, I think SUV is adequate.

They are similar in function, but the same. AWD is an intermittent power transfer, while 4WD is continuously transferring power to the rear wheels. So all four wheels in 4WD are being powered all the time, rather than in AWD when its transferred on an as-needed basis.

[dalekphalm]

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

AWD and 4WD are the same thing if you onoy have 4 wheels.

This can sometimes be true, since many brands use the terms interchangeably, but typically:

 

AWD = non-selective 4WD - the system is always engaged

4WD = selective 4WD/FWD - the system can mechanically change between 2WD (typically FWD) and 4WD

 

While this is not a strict definition, it's the typically accepted difference between the two terms.

[Speed Weed]

5 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

If it's a modern car, then not really.

 

If the area really gets that cold, you're far better off using an Engine Block Heater. Otherwise just start the car, let it fall to idle (should take 5 seconds or so, but depends on the car, age, and how well maintained it is), then just slowly go. Just don't rev the car like crazy until it's warmed up.

You are right. Even this Youtuber ( my favorite ) said the same thing.

 

[DimasRMDO]

4 hours ago, DaPhuc said:

You are right. Even this Youtuber ( my favorite ) said the same thing.

In some RX-8 models (newer ones usually) they even have a rev limiter set at lower RPM when the engine is cold to avoid excessive revving after a cold start. Mine doesn't have this feature since the first generation doesn't have it.

If I'm not mistaken, at around 5000RPM when it's cold, then at 7000RPM when it starts to warm up, then redline at 10000RPM when it's warmed up.

I think S2000 has this too, but correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I don't know if modern cars have this feature or not, I don't want to try it >_<

[Motifator]

5 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

A Jeep is a car brand. It is called a Truck. 

 

Maybe Ute is a more popular term in Australia as you guys like your smaller cars. 'Fourbie' is also jargon. We don't really need to tell what kind of ute it is, because its either a Hilux, a Ranger, or useless lol. 

"Truck" is a term used to mean vehicles that can carry a good amount of non-human weight, a jeep could be an off-road (or crossover) vehicle built to carry people. I.E, an SUV.

I'm not from Australia personally, but from every single Australian car video I watched, NONE of the people in the drag racing business call anything but things like the Commodore "UTE". The matter that makes an UTE an UTE is the car body. "Fourbie" is of course jargon, I was just expressing my thoughts regarding it.

If you go to Toyota WORLDWIDE site, you will see that a Hilux IS a pick-up. Nobody would call it an UTE except maybe Australians. The frame, the axle of the vehicle etc.. are bigger than the ones found in a car, and therefore it is built differently.

The terminology, "UTE", stands for utility vehicle obviously. It can be used to mean a shitload of things. Do you call a golf cab a golf car or an UTE? That's where I'm heading. Pick-up is a vehicle that picks up weight... everybody knows they tend to be bigger than cars. There is a line between an UTE and a pick-up, and that's where you draw that line. A Skoda Felicia IS NOT the exact same kind of vehicle as an Amarok. They're both pick-ups, but by definition one is more of an UTE than a pick-up.

[mr moose]

Here, I found an aussie SUV in it's native environment:

 

 

[vong]

I used to have an RX-8 and that actually had a 2 stage indicator on when the engine is warmed up and at operating temp. I now drive a turbo V8 Monaro where I turn the key to accessories to let the fuel pumps prime, start it up, put on the seat belt then go into gear. I drive it under 3K rpm for about 3mins before getting into boost and maybe about 10mins before I give it a beating, because it's a V8 it doesn't really take long to be at operating temp.

[D13H4RD]

10 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

This can sometimes be true, since many brands use the terms interchangeably, but typically:

 

AWD = non-selective 4WD - the system is always engaged

4WD = selective 4WD/FWD - the system can mechanically change between 2WD (typically FWD) and 4WD

 

While this is not a strict definition, it's the typically accepted difference between the two terms.

That’s usually how it goes.

 

When you hear “all-wheel drive”, it’s usually a permanent AWD system that doesn’t have any switch to adjust the torque flow between the axles as it’s either fixed or variable. Such as Audi’s Quattro, Subaru’s Symmetrical AWD, Honda’s SH-AWD and others.

 

But when you hear “four-wheel drive”, it’s usually with a knob or switch that adjusts torque flow between 2WD or AWD, the latter usually in 2 ranges; high range or low range gearing.

 

The AWD term is typically used on road cars while the 4WD term is usually used for predominantly off-road vehicles