Build for 3D Rendering

[miggu4n]

Hi everyone!

First I must inform you that my english isn't good at all. I am Italian so maybe I will make many mistakes. Sorry for that 
With that said, let's start with the topic. 

 

I am choosing hardware for my very first assembled PC. It's my very first pc, because all i had in the past was sorta of borrowed pc or pc made of outdated hardware (My dad used to fix computers as a hobby). So, i had (and still having) old hardware.
Now, I stared doing 3D modeling and rendering as a hobby, then I started with video editing as a hobby also. But now, since I graduate as a land surveyor, I must design buildings and render them as a Job.

As I said, I will use this PC mainly for 3D rendering (Blender -> Cycles / LuxCore) and other 3D stuff like hairs and phisical simulation. Very heavy tasks. Also, I will use it for video editing, video CGI etc. 

 

With a very maximum budget of 1000€ (1155 USD) I choose these hardware:

 

• CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X  [ 233,69 € -> 270,20 $ ]
• RAM: Corsair vengeance LPX 2x8GB @ 3000mhz  [ 178,14 € -> 205,97 $ ]
• MOBO: ASUS PRIME X370-A [ 106,75 € -> 123,43 $ ]
• GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1060 Windforce OC 3C   [ 228,99 € -> 264,76 $ ]
• PSU: EVGA 700 B1 80+ bronze (700W) [ 84,99 € -> 98,27 $ ]
• SSD: Kingston SSD A400 120GB [ 29,65 € -> 34,28 $ ]
• HDD: WD Red 2TB (I already have this so no additional price counted)
• HS: be quiet! PURE ROCK SLIM [ 27,02 € -> 31,24 $ ]
• CASE: Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 5 [ 53,00 € -> 61,28 $ ]

TOTAL: 958,91 € -> 1108,71 $

Now, let's get to the point.
 

I am not sure about mobo and psu, because I am planning this build just to be like this even in the future, but to be a build that can be easily upgraded. For example: I could add a second gtx 1060 to double the rendering power using GPU. Also, i could upgrade to a 2700x in the future, or maybe adding 16GB of RAM. Also I could make an investment in the future and put a R9 Fury and after a couple of month, adding another Fury for a 2 way CrossFire setup. 
You get what I mean, I just want to be sure that my build will be upgradable in the future without big trouble (for example, a PSU that doesn't carry the load of 2 AMD GPU. Ofcourse if I want it to be upgradable, I need it durable. So, is this build a good build? What I should change? 

Thank you .
Michele. 

 

Oh yeah also other questions...
1) Does the 1800x come with a stock heatsink? Because if it does, I can use 27€ in more ssd GB. 
2) Is an SSD really needed? I mean, 2TB are enough for me, i think SSD is just a whim. Actually i have an SSD (wich is not mine, borrowed untill I build a new pc) and it's freaking fast loading window and opening up softwares, but i don't really care if it takes 10 more seconds to boot window or open after effects.

EDIT:
I forgot to say that I will also game and stream on twitch, but I am 100% that i could game and stream even with a 1050ti and a ryzen 5 and 8gb of ram. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[EPPHO]

SSD will benefit you so much in opening and loading projects.

1800x doesn't come with stock cooler so you have to get aftermarket one.

 

By the way, how much does Ryzen 7 1700 or 2700 cost? They come with a cooler and can overclock with it pretty easily and with reasonable temps.

 

And welcome to the forum  

[SupaKomputa]

14 minutes ago, frozeNNN said:

SSD will benefit you so much in opening and loading projects.

1800x doesn't come with stock cooler so you have to get aftermarket one.

 

By the way, how much does Ryzen 7 1700 or 2700 cost? They come with a cooler and can overclock with it pretty easily and with reasonable temps.

 

And welcome to the forum  

• SSD: Kingston SSD A400 120GB [ 29,65 € -> 34,28 $ ]

[TVwazhere]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  (€233.69 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (€37.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-A ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€106.75 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€178.14 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€29.26 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC Video Card  (€243.37 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€51.16 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€136.42 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €1016.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-06 19:44 CEST+0200

 

This PSU in particular is a much better quality PSU (not because of the Platinum rating, but due to it's internals) prices in Italy are insane though!

[miggu4n]

29 minutes ago, frozeNNN said:

SSD will benefit you so much in opening and loading projects.

1800x doesn't come with stock cooler so you have to get aftermarket one.

 

By the way, how much does Ryzen 7 1700 or 2700 cost? They come with a cooler and can overclock with it pretty easily and with reasonable temps.

 

And welcome to the forum  

Ryzen 7 1700    [ 206 € -> 238 $ ]

Ryzen 7 1700 x [ 236 € -> 272 $ ]

Ryzen 7 2700    [ 267 € -> 308 $ ]

Ryzen 7 2700 x [ 309 € -> 357 $ ]

But not sure if the 1700x come with a stock heatsink. If it doesn't, the 1800x is actually cheaper 

 

> And welcome to the forum

Thank you!

[miggu4n]

4 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  (€233.69 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (€37.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-A ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€106.75 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€178.14 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€29.26 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC Video Card  (€243.37 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€51.16 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€136.42 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €1016.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-06 19:44 CEST+0200

 

This PSU in particular is a much better quality PSU (not because of the Platinum rating, but due to it's internals) prices in Italy are insane though!

Thank you! But changing the psu, you mean that the EVGA i choosen is not a good power supply? 

> prices in Italy are insane though!
And you haven't seen bills yet

[EPPHO]

11 minutes ago, miggu4n said:

Ryzen 7 1700    [ 206 € -> 238 $ ]

Ryzen 7 1700 x [ 236 € -> 272 $ ]

Ryzen 7 2700    [ 267 € -> 308 $ ]

Ryzen 7 2700 x [ 309 € -> 357 $ ]

But not sure if the 1700x come with a stock heatsink. If it doesn't, the 1800x is actually cheaper 

 

> And welcome to the forum

Thank you!

1700 comes with a cooler and it's cheaper, also you can oc i pretty easily to like 3.7 GHz

[TVwazhere]

1 minute ago, miggu4n said:

Thank you! But changing the psu, you mean that the EVGA i choosen is not a good power supply? 

That particular EVGA PSU is not great quality unfortunately. EVGA does make good PSU's though (their G2 and G3 series for example) but those for some reason are WAY more expensive than they should be. Probably Import fees  

 

I also swapped the case out for something with better cooling, and a cooler for slightly better performance. You'll want it for a 3D rendering machine  The motherboard should be good, but the PRIME-Pro version would be better for overclocking. It's 20€ more though.

12 minutes ago, miggu4n said:

But not sure if the 1700x come with a stock heatsink. If it doesn't, the 1800x is actually cheaper 

The 1700x does not come with a heat sink sadly.

 

[miggu4n]

2 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

That particular EVGA PSU is not great quality unfortunately. EVGA does make good PSU's though (their G2 and G3 series for example) but those for some reason are WAY more expensive than they should be. Probably Import fees  

 

I also swapped the case out for something with better cooling, and a cooler for slightly better performance. You'll want it for a 3D rendering machine  The motherboard should be good, but the PRIME-Pro version would be better for overclocking. It's 20€ more though.

The 1700x does not come with a heat sink sadly.

 

So you actually said that i have a tons of better options for the PSU hahah
What about the Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 700 (700W)? I had a look on the Tier list on this forum and it is classified as a Tier 3 (out of 7 where 7 is the worst) so shouldn't be bad! And it's cheaper than the EVGA I have choosen! [ 59€ -> 69$ ] Why this? Is there a bait somewhere? 

 

For the case, i really like the focus G, also good pricing. But what about the MasterBox 5 (not the lite version) or the Corsair Carbide 270R / 275R ? 
 

[TVwazhere]

20 minutes ago, miggu4n said:

What about the Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 700 (700W)? I had a look on the Tier list on this forum and it is classified as a Tier 3 (out of 7 where 7 is the worst) so shouldn't be bad! And it's cheaper than the EVGA I have choosen! [ 59€ -> 69$ ] Why this? Is there a bait somewhere? 

The bait is in the "Lite" so it's not a full "Master Watt" series. the Lite Isn't listed on there, but it's safe to say it would be lower on the list @STRMfrmXMN

23 minutes ago, miggu4n said:

For the case, i really like the focus G, also good pricing. But what about the MasterBox 5 (not the lite version) or the Corsair Carbide 270R / 275R ? 

The Non lite Version of the MasterBox is also good. Do note that the Focus G comes with 2 fans, while the Masterbox only comes with one. The Corsair 270 R also comes with 2 fans and has decent (but not as great as the Focus G or the MasterBox) airflow. The 275R has the worst airflow due to it only having one side of the case where fans can draw in air.

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

2 hours ago, miggu4n said:

So you actually said that i have a tons of better options for the PSU hahah
What about the Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 700 (700W)? I had a look on the Tier list on this forum and it is classified as a Tier 3 (out of 7 where 7 is the worst) so shouldn't be bad! And it's cheaper than the EVGA I have choosen! [ 59€ -> 69$ ] Why this? Is there a bait somewhere? 

 

 

The MasterWatt Lite has no reviews while the MasterWatt does.

 

The Lite not having reviews should be a huge red flag, especially given that the 700W version of the unit is so cheap.

[miggu4n]

On 7/8/2018 at 1:18 AM, STRMfrmXMN said:

The MasterWatt Lite has no reviews while the MasterWatt does.

 

The Lite not having reviews should be a huge red flag, especially given that the 700W version of the unit is so cheap.

Thank you for the advice!
So, let's try again... what about the corsair cx750 ? [ 75€ ->  87$ ]

EDIT: 
Sorry for not replying, i were busy these days...

[STRMfrmXMN]

7 hours ago, miggu4n said:

Thank you for the advice!
So, let's try again... what about the corsair cx750 ? [ 75€ ->  87$ ]

EDIT: 
Sorry for not replying, i were busy these days...

The CX450M would be more than plenty for your system. A 750W is just wasting money. The CX750 doesn't even make sense to buy, period, but that's a different discussion.

 

For a GTX 1060 and 1800X you'll pull under maybe 200W from the wall without OC and 250-300Wish if you do. 

[Phentos]

On 8/6/2018 at 9:59 AM, miggu4n said:

SSD: Kingston SSD A400 120GB [ 29,65 € -> 34,28 $ ]

Dump this crap. An ADATA SU800 128GB SSD would be a far better choice for the added cost equivalent of a small meal from McDonald's.

[miggu4n]

On 9/8/2018 at 5:20 AM, STRMfrmXMN said:

The CX450M would be more than plenty for your system. A 750W is just wasting money. The CX750 doesn't even make sense to buy, period, but that's a different discussion.

 

For a GTX 1060 and 1800X you'll pull under maybe 200W from the wall without OC and 250-300Wish if you do. 

Yeah i know that 750W are too much watt for this build, but as I said in the main post, I want this build to be as upgradable as possible, with minumum issues. For example, If i want a 2 x GTX 1060 in the future, I just need to buy another GPU, not a new GPU + PSU (and then leave this PSU in its box doing nothing but taking dust)
 

 

On 9/8/2018 at 5:25 AM, Phentos said:

Dump this crap. An ADATA SU800 128GB SSD would be a far better choice for the added cost equivalent of a small meal from McDonald's.

You mean the M2.0 one or the SSD one? 

ADATA ASU800NS38-128GT-C -> M2.0
 
ADATA ASU800SS-128GT-C -> SSD

Both 128Gb of storage. 

I'm actually scared both for the brand and, in case of the M2:0 one, about mounting that in my build. I have never mounted an m2.0 and I am a little scared about that, its performance, its durability, etc. 
 

(Yeah, also i'm a Kingston fanboy, but that doesn't matter. I don't know too much about hardware in PCs, so this is why I'm here and if you tell me that adata is good, i'll belive you and i'll go for that) 

[Phentos]

3 minutes ago, miggu4n said:

You mean the M2.0 one or the SSD one? 

ADATA ASU800NS38-128GT-C -> M2.0
 
ADATA ASU800SS-128GT-C -> SSD

Both 128Gb of storage. 

I'm actually scared both for the brand and, in case of the M2:0 one, about mounting that in my build. I have never mounted an m2.0 and I am a little scared about that, its performance, its durability, etc. 
 

(Yeah, also i'm a Kingston fanboy, but that doesn't matter. I don't know too much about hardware in PCs, so this is why I'm here and if you tell me that adata is good, i'll belive you and i'll go for that) 

M.2 SATA SSDs aren't really worth buying unless you're working in very cramped ITX cases or are out of spare SATA ports. There is a very negligible to no performance difference between an M.2 SATA SSD and a regular 2.5" SSD. 

 

Kingston is pretty decent as a brand, but the A400 in particular is just slow compared to other drives of a similar price.

[miggu4n]

2 hours ago, Phentos said:

M.2 SATA SSDs aren't really worth buying unless you're working in very cramped ITX cases or are out of spare SATA ports. There is a very negligible to no performance difference between an M.2 SATA SSD and a regular 2.5" SSD. 

 

Kingston is pretty decent as a brand, but the A400 in particular is just slow compared to other drives of a similar price.

Ok so, I'm taking a look for SSDs, and I have spotted the Crucial MX500 250gb for around 60€, but I downgraded the GPU from a 1060 3Gb to a 1050 Ti 4Gb to keep a < 950€ build.

*personal thought* : I don't really care about R/W speed, I'm actually using an ssdNow v300 120gb and i'm fine with that. I prefer GPU compute power than R/W speed. But, in term of rendering speed, there is not much difference between the two GPUs, and I still have a 1800x that kicks hard. 

 

How bad is my thought? 

by the way, I'm comparing hardware on userbenchmark, and here some results: 

Kingston SSDNow V300 vs Kingston A300  -> A400 +12% on Effective speed and +27% Average user benchmark.

 

Adata SU800 vs Kingston A400 -> SU800 +45% Effective speed and +65% Average user benchmark (I can't hide that this compare surprised me a lot...)

 

Adata SU800 vs Crucial MX500 -> MX500 +22% Effective speed and +18% Average user benchmark (And I have almost twice of storage space)

So, here we are, now let's compare the A300, the SU800 and the MX500 to my V300

 

V300 vs A400 done before.

 

V300 vs SU800 -> SU800 +63% Effective speed and +98% Average user benchmark. ( Wow that's fast )

 

V300 vs MX500 -> MX500 +99% Effective speed and +138% Average user bechmark (Speechless... Twice the speed and storage space) 


But, is the MX500 a good SSD?


Sorry for being annoying with so much questions

[STRMfrmXMN]

4 hours ago, miggu4n said:

Yeah i know that 750W are too much watt for this build, but as I said in the main post, I want this build to be as upgradable as possible, with minumum issues. For example, If i want a 2 x GTX 1060 in the future, I just need to buy another GPU, not a new GPU + PSU (and then leave this PSU in its box doing nothing but taking dust)
 

 

You mean the M2.0 one or the SSD one? 

ADATA ASU800NS38-128GT-C -> M2.0
 
ADATA ASU800SS-128GT-C -> SSD

Both 128Gb of storage. 

I'm actually scared both for the brand and, in case of the M2:0 one, about mounting that in my build. I have never mounted an m2.0 and I am a little scared about that, its performance, its durability, etc. 
 

(Yeah, also i'm a Kingston fanboy, but that doesn't matter. I don't know too much about hardware in PCs, so this is why I'm here and if you tell me that adata is good, i'll belive you and i'll go for that) 

Why the hell would you put two 1060s in a system? The 1060 doesn't support SLI. Don't bother SLIing cards where it's doable anyways. Just causes a lot of headache for marginal performance gains.

 

An 1800X and 1080 Ti can run on a 450W PSU provided you don't OC so don't go thinking you need a 750W unit. If anything, a 550W unit would be fine if you really were concerned about future compatibility with high-end GPUs.

2 hours ago, miggu4n said:

Ok so, I'm taking a look for SSDs, and I have spotted the Crucial MX500 250gb for around 60€, but I downgraded the GPU from a 1060 3Gb to a 1050 Ti 4Gb to keep a < 950€ build.

That's a good deal, but if you want a 128 GB SSD, that A-DATA is one of the best for the money. 

 

Also, the V300 is probably the moust infamous SSD out there. Google "V300 asynchronous NAND" for all the articles from the time period when that SSD was new that talk about the bait-and-switch NAND change in that SSD. It's genuinely one of the worst SSDs ever made from a "good" brand.

[miggu4n]

18 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Why the hell would you put two 1060s in a system? The 1060 doesn't support SLI. Don't bother SLIing cards where it's doable anyways. Just causes a lot of headache for marginal performance gains.

I know that 1060s can't SLI, but SLI is not needed in rendering.

Anyway, I am not sure if I will add a second 1060, but I just want to be sure i will able to do it. What if i would like to add another 1060 and use it for rendering while still having a second 1060 for anything I want, like working on another 3D project or gaming or whatever i'd like to do? 
 

I know that two 1060 together wouldn't render twice as fast as a single one, but one GPU could render while the other one would be free for testing scenes. 

[STRMfrmXMN]

11 minutes ago, miggu4n said:

I know that 1060s can't SLI, but SLI is not needed in rendering.

Anyway, I am not sure if I will add a second 1060, but I just want to be sure i will able to do it. What if i would like to add another 1060 and use it for rendering while still having a second 1060 for anything I want, like working on another 3D project or gaming or whatever i'd like to do? 
 

I know that two 1060 together wouldn't render twice as fast as a single one, but one GPU could render while the other one would be free for testing scenes. 

Well... OK I guess but I don't render so maybe I don't understand the appeal

 

Anyways, 650W is enough for two 1060s, but I wouldn't bother with it as it might still cause issues in games.

[miggu4n]

2 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Well... OK I guess but I don't render so maybe I don't understand the appeal

Having two GPUs in rendering is like having two workers helping you. You can use worker1 to do a job using 100% of his "power" and still having worker2 ready to help you, instead of stopping or asking worker1 to stop his job or asking him to work at 50% of his "power" in order to help you.  
SLI in gaming is like having two workers working on the same task: of course there is an improvement, but they won't work twice faster. 

 

 

3 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Anyways, 650W is enough for two 1060s

I won't be able to find any "good" price for a 650W. I mean, I found some PSU at almost the same price of the PSU I chose (which is the Corsair CX750 at 73€) but with 100W less power. If you tell me that this CX750 is a good PSU, I'll go for that.
 

 

4 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

provided you don't OC

I forgot to reply at this
I'm not really into overclocking. I want my hardware to be as stable as possible... image losing a 10h render after a crash just because of an overclock (which could save you around 30min in 10h). No overclocking seen in the future on my build haha. Only upgradings. 
 

[STRMfrmXMN]

7 hours ago, miggu4n said:

Having two GPUs in rendering is like having two workers helping you. You can use worker1 to do a job using 100% of his "power" and still having worker2 ready to help you, instead of stopping or asking worker1 to stop his job or asking him to work at 50% of his "power" in order to help you.  
SLI in gaming is like having two workers working on the same task: of course there is an improvement, but they won't work twice faster. 

 

 

I won't be able to find any "good" price for a 650W. I mean, I found some PSU at almost the same price of the PSU I chose (which is the Corsair CX750 at 73€) but with 100W less power. If you tell me that this CX750 is a good PSU, I'll go for that.
 

 

I forgot to reply at this
I'm not really into overclocking. I want my hardware to be as stable as possible... image losing a 10h render after a crash just because of an overclock (which could save you around 30min in 10h). No overclocking seen in the future on my build haha. Only upgradings. 
 

Hmm, well actually since you replied with it, the CX750 is a good unit, just normally not a unit that makes sense since it's a 750W unit that's fairly middle of the road and you would typically want something better for an SLI 1080 system (that would demand a 750W unit typically) or the like. For your use case though, a CX750 is pretty good.

[miggu4n]

12 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Hmm, well actually since you replied with it, the CX750 is a good unit, just normally not a unit that makes sense since it's a 750W unit that's fairly middle of the road and you would typically want something better for an SLI 1080 system (that would demand a 750W unit typically) or the like. For your use case though, a CX750 is pretty good.

Thank you a lot!

So, now I'm with this build:

CPU: Ryzen 7 1800x
Heatsink: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO
Mobo: Gigabyte AX370 Gaming k5
Ram: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 X 8 GB), DDR4, 3000 MHz, C15 XMP 2.0 

GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1060 WINDFORCE OC 3G

SSD: Crucial MX500

 

PSU: Corsair CX750

CASE: Antec DF500

Now i'm checking that everything is compatible and here is the problem:

As gigabyte's website sais, the 1800x is compatible with the mobo i chose. But I have read somewere on internet that i could have problems with a wrong bios version. Is that true? 
Also, on the AX370 ram support list (Summit Ridge list, Europe), my vengeance lpx is not listed. 

My MX500 isn't listed neither, in the SSD support list
This means that I have to change both RAM and SSD? 

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

Your board and CPU will work fine together, don't worry about that.

 

The SSD will work, SATA is universal.

 

The RAM might not, that is true. You want Samsung B-die memory to guarantee compatibility with AMD Ryzen. All Samsung B-die RAM is really expensive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

[miggu4n]

25 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Your board and CPU will work fine together, don't worry about that.

 

The SSD will work, SATA is universal.

 

The RAM might not, that is true. You want Samsung B-die memory to guarantee compatibility with AMD Ryzen. All Samsung B-die RAM is really expensive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

Oh my god! It was everything perfect! I'm so upset and sad right now!

Anyway doing some research on internet I found that mobo's memory support list is always uncomplete. For example, my ram isn't listed, but If my mobo's spec sais that it can support a up to 3000mhz, I can use those rams. It's just a cpu limitation, which can handle up to 2667mhz ram. This means that my CPU will underclock my rams or that I need to manually underclock my rams? If so, it doesn't make sense to buy a 3000mhz ram and I should go for 2667 one