8700K

[S James]

I am going to buy an 8700K but will be able to add an decent AIO later on, hence I need something cheap as well as competent to cool it for a few months.

Requirements;
1. Cheap (it's going to replaced)
2. Able to cool an 8700K on stock performance. I won't game on the 8700K (just casual stuff) and neither would OC it.

3. I have limited options here, as well as have to deal with overpriced stuff

I have found this: Coolermaster Hyper 212
Would that be enough? I've been told it's not enough.

Please recommend a few!
 

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, S James said:

 

Why the 8700K?

What's your current build, budget/country, and monitor resolution/refresh rate?

[Princess Luna]

The Hyper 212 Evo or 212X will suffice to run it at stock settings, however any overclocking at all including MCE which comes enable by default on Asus boards for instance will push the CPU to the 90Cº+ real quick.

[S James]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Why the 8700K?

What's your current build, budget/country, and monitor resolution/refresh rate?

Why not?

$1600 USD but import is gonna cost me in DE.
1080p max fps possible.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

The CryoRig H7 is a better option than the CM Hyper 212. I really have no idea why anyone would choose that piece of shit over the H7

[S James]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

The Hyper 212 Evo or 212X will suffice to run it at stock settings, however any overclocking at all including MCE which comes enable by default on Asus boards for instance will push the CPU to the 90Cº+ real quick.

MCE? What do you mean by that?

Will it max OC even on casual stuff? Like if I am running bluestacks what would happen?

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, S James said:

Why not?

The problem of this forum is that people will never lose the chance to advise you an AMD platform instead.

 

Either ways any decent aftermarket cooler will suffice for stock settings, you can even game and all no need to be so afraid, issues only rise if you start tweaking with it before the appropriated cooling.

 

MCE stands for Multi Core Enhancement which basically forces all cores to operate at your max turbo frequency, normally the i7 8700K will turbo its 6 cores if all is used only up to 4.3ghz but with MCE enable it forces it to 4.7ghz

 

4 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

e that piece of shit o

Lower your tone, I'm perfectly happy with my Cooler Master Hyper 212X, every hardware has its appropriated user-case.

 

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, S James said:

 

Well because if you're buying in the US the R7 1700 is really cheap, and still pretty good, and you can save some cash there

the 120mm tower cooler is going to be fine for now.
 

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[orbitalbuzzsaw]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

The problem of this forum is that people will never lose the chance to advise you an AMD platform instead.

 

How is that a problem per se? Ryzen is a better value or just straight up better in many workloads.

 

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Lower your tone, I'm perfectly happy with my Cooler Master Hyper 212X, every hardware has its appropriated user-case.

 

I mean the H7 is objectively a better cooler not to mention it's not ugly af

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

How is that a problem per se? Ryzen is a better value or just straight up better in many workloads.

The problem is when all the person do every day in this forum is tell others to buy Ryzen straight off without caring to what they truly want, if through talking and suggesting Ryzen becomes an alternative then great, but more often than not it's quite forced upon others instead.

 

2 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

I mean the H7 is objectively a better cooler not to mention it's not ugly af

Being better depends as I said on the user case, these cheaper aftermarket coolers to me personally nowadays only serves the purpose of cooling Intel's locked i5's and i7's better and soundless, the 212X I use is virtually silent so the H7 is not better it is the same at best and visuals also depends on each person taste.

 

Can't mix personal opinions with the objective higher picture.

[DarkSmith2]

3 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

How is that a problem per se? Ryzen is a better value or just straight up better in many workloads.

 

he already mentioned his goal is high refreshrate 1080p gaming. Ryzen is really bad/slow at this.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

he already mentioned his goal is high refreshrate 1080p gaming. Ryzen is really bad/slow at this.

Yes, that's true. Exactly why nobody has yet recommended a Ryzen CPU in this thread

[DarkSmith2]

1 minute ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

Yes, that's true. Exactly why nobody has yet recommended a Ryzen CPU in this thread

@Streetguru has

[Princess Luna]

Just now, DarkSmith2 said:

@Streetguru has

What's new?

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

he already mentioned his goal is high refreshrate 1080p gaming. Ryzen is really bad/slow at this.

More like it'll still do 100fps in AAA games, so it's up to the buyer if the extra cost of Coffee Lake is worth it to go past that.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

@Streetguru has

Well he does have a nice build there

[S James]

20 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

 

Cryorig H7 is not available here

16 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

I asked about this cpu cooler on the discord server and they went haywire.  I will add an AIO later on when I plan to push it beyond 5 GHz.
You have one too? Does it handle your 8700 well? I believe 8700K and 8700 are nearly the same on stock. What are your temps when you game? Can this cooler handle the CPU? Also, they kept on mentioning about thermal throttling and about TDP that 8700K has like 150 while the TDP of cooler is 85. Does that mean anything?

 

15 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

 

One of the main reasons I went for 8700K is below;
1. Huge price difference. For eg, 
(a). 8700K - $405.55 - $349 = $56.55
(b). 2700X - $403.82 - $319.99 = $83.83

(c). 2700 - $353.98 - $289.95 = $64.03
(d). 1700 - $312.85 - $228.95 = $83.9

These are the price differences for me in here, versus what one could get in US. The same story goes for Mobo, GPU, etc
I thought of going as close the US market values and at the same time choosing one which fit my needs. 8700K seems to be the only one closest as well as good in gaming having only a difference of $56.55

I could go for a build with 2700 or 2700X too but would they bottleneck a 1080Ti? Is getting 8 cores worth it if only gaming is my primary aim?

[DarkSmith2]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

More like it'll still do 100fps in AAA games, so it's up to the buyer if the extra cost of Coffee Lake is worth it to go past that.

well if its extra mentioned "highest FPS possible" i would assume so. 240hz 1080p gaming is getting a real thing once more potent GPUs are going to be released.

I guess for most poeple 100FPS gaming is a nice sweetspot. Thats why Ryzen is beloved by so many.

 

But overall the problem with Ryzen isnt its raw performance output in general. Its just bad optimizations of older games that wont ever get touched again. And the overall worse platform experience paired with a "not really" better value for pure gamers.

[Biggerboot]

@S James

You could probably get away with Coolermaster Hyper T4/T3 or something in that twenty ish dollar range.  Doesn't have the best mounting mechanism but it'll keep the i7 cool in low end tasks and such.  It's a tad cheaper than the 212 evo and will be easy to remove.

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, S James said:

 

I'd say it's worth saving $100 to get the 1700, considering it also comes with a stock cooler, and you can get away with a potentially cheaper B350 board, like an ASrock Pro4, it's up to you if the 8700K is worth an extra 20-25fps on average when Ryzen will already run games pretty well.

And if you're cranking your graphical settings to the max on a higher end card you GPU might still be a bottleneck, but really I'd just stick to medium/high settings.

 

But why are you buying a 1080ti for 1080p gaming? that's a total waste. I'd highly suggest you get a 1070ti with a better monitor instead assuming you meant reusing your current 1080p 60hz one. Even for 1080p 144hz the 1070ti is enough.

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, S James said:

You have one too? Does it handle your 8700 well? I believe 8700K and 8700 are nearly the same on stock. What are your temps when you game? Can this cooler handle the CPU? Also, they kept on mentioning about thermal throttling and about TDP that 8700K has like 150 while the TDP of cooler is 85. Does that mean anything?

Yes I do, it handles it perfectly fine 68Cº on max load but the locked 8700 only has 65W of TDP, it never goes above 1.2v even locked at 4.4ghz

 

This functions somewhat different with the i7 8700K since it is a 95W TDP chip even at stock it should be hotter, nonetheless it will be enough while you save up for a higher end cooler.

 

What graphics card are you planning for this build though? you know the i7 8700K kinda calls for a GTX 1080 Ti if you are going to pair lower end GPU like a GTX 1060 for instance getting such high end CPU is quite meaningless as the GPU will become a bottleneck to its full potential.

[DarkSmith2]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yes I do, it handles it perfectly fine 68Cº on max load but the locked 8700 only has 65W of TDP, it never goes above 1.2v even locked at 4.4ghz

 

This functions somewhat different with the i7 8700K since it is a 95W TDP chip even at stock it should be hotter, nonetheless it will be enough while you save up for a higher end cooler.

 

What graphics card are you planning for this build though? you know the i7 8700K kinda calls for a GTX 1080 Ti if you are going to pair lower end GPU like a GTX 1060 for instance getting such high end CPU is quite meaningless as the GPU will become a bottleneck to its full potential.

i totally agree, im stuck with my GTX970 since i want to wait for the next GPU release, im getting held back in everything and it sucks.

 

@S James You will probably be able to undervolt your 8700k by a huge amount, when delidded and undervolted you shouldnt have any issue with the Hyper 212 at all. It will probably even be cooler than @Princess Cadence's CPU

[S James]

35 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

 

 

29 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

 

6 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

 

 

12 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

 

If you guys had to pick one CPU  and a GPU for 1080p gaming keeping in mind the fact you might not be able to upgrade it  for atleast 5 years what would they be? (purpose being only gaming and on ultra-high settings)

[S James]

23 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

 

If you guys had to pick one CPU  and a GPU for 1080p gaming keeping in mind the fact you might not be able to upgrade it  for atleast 5 years what would they be? (purpose being only gaming and on ultra-high settings)

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, S James said:

 

 

 

If you guys had to pick one CPU  and a GPU for 1080p gaming keeping in mind the fact you might not be able to upgrade it  for atleast 5 years what would they be? (purpose being only gaming and on ultra-high settings)

I'd just get Ryzen because it's cheap and effective but that's just me. For pure gaming you don't even need the 1700, the 1600/2600 would be fine as well.

Ultra settings are generally not worth it though, your CPU is just going to determine what your max possible fps would be.

 

Like if you ran games at 720p you'll see how high the CPU could get in that game, if you had a more powerful GPU for higher resolutions/settings.