Which is the better path to take?

[PastaDwarf]

Hello, I would like to ask a little bit of help on which build should I go? Currently my system is running on a Intel X3430 paired with GTX 1050 Ti. I am upgrading soon but I am having a little bit of trouble on which path to take, a little help please on which one? And why?

1. Get i5-8600k but pair it with my GTX 1050 Ti, the main thing about this is that it is bottlenecking the system, although I would upgrade to a GTX 1080 soon but that'd be much later, so is this a bad idea?

2. Get i3-8100 first then a Z370 motherboard then pair it with the GTX 1050 Ti, after the build is complete, save to upgrade to an i5-8600k and at the same time the GTX 1080?

3. Lastly, just go Ryzen 3 1200 for now then pair with the GTX 1050 Ti, then just upgrade it at the same time as the GTX 1080?

So which one would be the best choice? Mainly I would be going for Gaming, I know the pros and cons of the two CPU brands, but considering also Ryzen's upgrade path for the future, what do you guys think is the best option at the moment? Thanks in advance and cheers! 

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4 minutes ago, PastaIsLife said:

Hello, I would like to ask a little bit of help on which build should I go? Currently my system is running on a Intel X3430 paired with GTX 1050 Ti. I am upgrading soon but I am having a little bit of trouble on which path to take, a little help please on which one? And why?

1. Get i5-8600k but pair it with my GTX 1050 Ti, the main thing about this is that it is bottlenecking the system, although I would upgrade to a GTX 1080 soon but that'd be much later, so is this a bad idea?

2. Get i3-8100 first then a Z370 motherboard then pair it with the GTX 1050 Ti, after the build is complete, save to upgrade to an i5-8600k and at the same time the GTX 1080?

3. Lastly, just go Ryzen 3 1200 for now then pair with the GTX 1050 Ti, then just upgrade it at the same time as the GTX 1080?

So which one would be the best choice? Mainly I would be going for Gaming, I know the pros and cons of the two CPU brands, but considering also Ryzen's upgrade path for the future, what do you guys think is the best option at the moment? Thanks in advance and cheers! 

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[Jurrunio]

4. Get an 8700, B360 mobo (because H310 is too basic), forget overclocking and a 1050ti, then get whatever replaces the 1080 next year

[PastaDwarf]

On 5/23/2018 at 11:58 PM, NovaMan01 said:

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So bottlenecking it is fine? At least while I save for the GPU?

 

On 5/24/2018 at 12:01 AM, Jurrunio said:

4. Get an 8700, B360 mobo (because H310 is too basic), forget overclocking and a 1050ti, then get whatever replaces the 1080 next year

But I wanted to get the most performance out either side, that's why I wanted to overclock...

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, PastaIsLife said:

But I wanted to get the most performance out either side, that's why I wanted to overclock...

Then get the 8700k. 8600k is sandwiched between the 8700 which is better value (and faster in apps that use hyperthreading), and 8700k which performs same or much better depending on your workload. The cost to overclock is just too high for what it offers.

[PastaDwarf]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Then get the 8700k. 8600k is sandwiched between the 8700 which is better value (and faster in apps that use hyperthreading), and 8700k which performs same or much better depending on your workload. The cost to overclock is just too high for what it offers.

Ain't it just a waste of money to go for that? Since I am just going to game on it. Not really into rendering, editing etc. 

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, PastaIsLife said:

Ain't it just a waste of money to go for that? Since I am just going to game on it. Not really into rendering, editing etc. 

Games also use hyperthreading, just not as well as productivity work. In Assassin Creed Origins for example, my old 2600k can still match the 8350k at the same clocks.

 

Only old games that uses a single or two cores at most benefit from 8600k's higher single core performance like csgo or crysis, but new games that actually care about the CPU's performance arent like that.

[PastaDwarf]

15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Games also use hyperthreading, just not as well as productivity work. In Assassin Creed Origins for example, my old 2600k can still match the 8350k at the same clocks.

 

Only old games that uses a single or two cores at most benefit from 8600k's higher single core performance like csgo or crysis, but new games that actually care about the CPU's performance arent like that.

I see, I'll consider for it, but do you think an Asrock Fatal1ty Gaming K6 would be able to handle overclocks on that one? 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, PastaIsLife said:

I see, I'll consider for it, but do you think an Asrock Fatal1ty Gaming K6 would be able to handle overclocks on that one? 

it's good enough

[PastaDwarf]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

it's good enough

Thank you, I guess time to change my build plan haha

 

[Taf the Ghost]

3 hours ago, PastaIsLife said:

Ain't it just a waste of money to go for that? Since I am just going to game on it. Not really into rendering, editing etc. 

8600k needs too much extra money in cooling to make up for the lack of 6 extra threads. Without an OC, the 8700 is 300 Mhz faster than the 8600k. You end up needing much mor cooling for the 8600k than the 8700 to get the same performance in hard, single-threaded applications. (Thus, you've saved no money.) 

 

Because of the 6 cores (vs 4 cores in the past), the cooling gets pretty expensive/heat generation gets pretty high to match performance. In this Intel generation, the 8700 (non-k) has ended up as something of the "best buy" among the Intel SKUs, from a price-performance metric. You can get more performance with a delidded 8700k & high-end cooling, but you're also paying ~250-300 USD extra for maybe 7% more performance with a ~$1000USD GPU.

 

8700 on a Z-series board with 3200 memory is going to be a good Gaming System for at least the next 3-5 years, probably longer. GPUs aren't increasing at radical jumps anymore (~35% per 2 year generation?), so a mid-range GPU in 4 years is going to be around the speed of a 1080 Ti now. This setup will get nearly everything out of that GPU already.

[PastaDwarf]

On 5/24/2018 at 4:42 PM, Taf the Ghost said:

8600k needs too much extra money in cooling to make up for the lack of 6 extra threads. Without an OC, the 8700 is 300 Mhz faster than the 8600k. You end up needing much mor cooling for the 8600k than the 8700 to get the same performance in hard, single-threaded applications. (Thus, you've saved no money.) 

 

Because of the 6 cores (vs 4 cores in the past), the cooling gets pretty expensive/heat generation gets pretty high to match performance. In this Intel generation, the 8700 (non-k) has ended up as something of the "best buy" among the Intel SKUs, from a price-performance metric. You can get more performance with a delidded 8700k & high-end cooling, but you're also paying ~250-300 USD extra for maybe 7% more performance with a ~$1000USD GPU.

 

8700 on a Z-series board with 3200 memory is going to be a good Gaming System for at least the next 3-5 years, probably longer. GPUs aren't increasing at radical jumps anymore (~35% per 2 year generation?), so a mid-range GPU in 4 years is going to be around the speed of a 1080 Ti now. This setup will get nearly everything out of that GPU already.

I understand, sorry for the late reply since I was away the past few days. Well I see your point and yes I do agree in most of it. But what about cooling? What cooling would you be able to advise for me? I was going to be getting a Dark Rock Pro 4 or Noctua NH D15 for the 8600k. What about for the 8700k? What would be the best cooler for it? I am not really that much into AIOs since I am afraid that it might leak one day, and yeah, just that thought it mind scares me. 

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, PastaIsLife said:

I understand, sorry for the late reply since I was away the past few days. Well I see your point and yes I do agree in most of it. But what about cooling? What cooling would you be able to advise for me? I was going to be getting a Dark Rock Pro 4 or Noctua NH D15 for the 8600k. What about for the 8700k? What would be the best cooler for it? I am not really that much into AIOs since I am afraid that it might leak one day, and yeah, just that thought it mind scares me. 

If they fit in the case, the big air coolers will work decently on the 8700k. Just depends on if you have a delidded CPU or are trying to pin it at 5 Ghz. I don't think 5 Ghz on a 8700k would be stable on Air, but maybe 4.7-4.8 Ghz. It just depends on your chip. If you delidded it, it'd be a lot smoother to handle.

 

 

Those are the stock numbers under the ~95w TDP. All-core 4.7 Ghz should be doable without too much issue on this generation, but you'd need to test it.

[PastaDwarf]

On 5/28/2018 at 7:37 PM, Taf the Ghost said:

If they fit in the case, the big air coolers will work decently on the 8700k. Just depends on if you have a delidded CPU or are trying to pin it at 5 Ghz. I don't think 5 Ghz on a 8700k would be stable on Air, but maybe 4.7-4.8 Ghz. It just depends on your chip. If you delidded it, it'd be a lot smoother to handle.

 

 

Those are the stock numbers under the ~95w TDP. All-core 4.7 Ghz should be doable without too much issue on this generation, but you'd need to test it.

I see, thank you for the information

[SliceT]

On 24/05/2018 at 6:55 AM, PastaIsLife said:

Thank you, I guess time to change my build plan haha

 

It's actually a really good board. For the price doubt you can find much better. 

[PastaDwarf]

5 hours ago, SliceT said:

It's actually a really good board. For the price doubt you can find much better. 

Thank you! I've already changed my build plans to include this board