Are Ryzen CPU's bottlenecking high end GPU's?

[TheSLSAMG]

18 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

I can whole-heartedly say I don't really want retardedly high refresh rates, so...

 

inb4 I'm in denial of wanting higher resolution instead of higher refresh rates

Nice denial fam.

[M300843499]

1 minute ago, TheSLSAMG said:

Nice denial fam.

 

Broke teh internet.

[App4that]

A 8700k doesn't hold back any card, the actual available headroom won't be known until we have faster graphics cards, but at no point does a 8700k hold you back. That's the definition of future proofing.

 

While even a 2700X will hold you back, AMD offers future proofing through the platform. AMD expects you to replace your CPU to not fall behind, why they support the AM4 socket like they do.

[stealth80]

5 minutes ago, Himommies said:

I am in canada

 

$3463 CAD = £2000

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($448.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - CAPTAIN 240EX RGB 153.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($129.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: EVGA - Z370 FTW ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($259.99 @ PC-Canada)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE RGB SYNC 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($219.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($274.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($72.75 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  ($739.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Memory Express)
Monitor: Acer - Predator XB1 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($726.99 @ PC-Canada)
Total: $3068.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-13 15:51 EDT-0400

[flibberdipper]

6 minutes ago, TheSLSAMG said:

Nice denial fam.

reeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IM GOING TO CALL MY DAD WHOE OWMS MICROSOFT AND GET YOU BANED

[Himommies]

2 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

$3463 CAD = £2000

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($448.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - CAPTAIN 240EX RGB 153.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($129.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: EVGA - Z370 FTW ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($259.99 @ PC-Canada)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE RGB SYNC 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($219.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($274.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($72.75 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  ($739.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Memory Express)
Monitor: Acer - Predator XB1 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($726.99 @ PC-Canada)
Total: $3068.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-13 15:51 EDT-0400

If only we could get a GPU ins stock at that price.

also we can do better

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JCPhkd

 

[stealth80]

4 minutes ago, App4that said:

A 8700k doesn't hold back any card, the actual available headroom won't be known until we have faster graphics cards, but at no point does a 8700k hold you back. That's the definition of future proofing.

 

While even a 2700X will hold you back, AMD offers future proofing through the platform. AMD expects you to replace your CPU to not fall behind, why they support the AM4 socket like they do.

it does, no not in all games, but in some recent games it does i think Doom was one example - as I said, it aint many

[App4that]

Just now, Himommies said:

If only we could get a GPU ins stock at that price.

Just bought a 1080 brand new for 580, Merica.

[DarkSmith2]

The reason i prefer high refreshrates over resolution is because of blur. Im wearing glasses, if i put them off im seeing next to nothing and it angers and bothers me. i am on -11 and -9,5 dioptrin. If i put my glasses of i cant see two inches in front of me.

 

I dont need to see the "world of blur" when im trying to have fun and play a little. I do move fast in games and even on my 144hz panel there is lots of blur.

I know G-Sync/V-Sync and all the other shiat excist but still the best option is just to go big with Hz. To have the best responsiveness possible and blur+stutterless experience.

 

Im poor but i still dont care about the cost of my biggest hobby, PCs are cheap compared to other hobbies. You have to pay every 5years to get a new one and maybe some bucks for games. Other poeple eat kaviar and disgusting stuff for a shit tons of more money, or going out every weekend which is also more expansive in the long run.

[App4that]

4 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

it does, no not in all games, but in some recent games it does i think Doom was one example - as I said, it aint many

No, not even in Far Cry 5 does a 8700k hold back any card.

 

Not sure where you're getting this idea.

 

Saw the edit, not in Doom either. I've run DOOM using a 980ti, 1080, and 1080ti. Using a 4790k, 1700X, and 8700k. The 8700k has a ton of headroom in DOOM. 

[DarkSmith2]

11-Series cards wont be a problem for the 8700k to much headroom left when considering overclocking.

8700k@stock doesnt bottleneck a 1080ti. 

[stealth80]

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

No, not even in Far Cry 5 does a 8700k hold back any card.

 

Not sure where you're getting this idea.

We know the 1080ti is around 30% faster than the vanilla 1080, as I said it isn't many games

 

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review/1100-6448559/#1080p_Benchmarks

 

it is definitely going to be an issue come 1180ti

[M300843499]

8 minutes ago, App4that said:

No, not even in Far Cry 5 does a 8700k hold back any card.

 

Not sure where you're getting this idea.

 

Saw the edit, not in Doom either. I've run DOOM using a 980ti, 1080, and 1080ti. Using a 4790k, 1700X, and 8700k. The 8700k has a ton of headroom in DOOM. 

Slight bottleneck in DOOM using Vulkan on my Fury, but GPU is always at 80-99% usage, i am also above 100FPs always too, it's still a bottleneck though.

 

x58 at 1700X single thread.

[DarkSmith2]

2 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

We know the 1080ti is around 30% faster than the vanilla 1080, as I said it isn't many games

 

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review/1100-6448559/#1080p_Benchmarks

 

it is definitely going to be an issue come 1180ti

this test is done with:

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"To ensure benchmarking consistency, I’m using the same system that I used to review the GTX 1080, 1070, 1060, and RX 480. It’s equipped with an Intel Core i7-5930K Haswell-E CPU clocked at 3.9GHz, coupled with 16GB of DDR4 RAM clocked at 2133MHz running in quad-channel mode."

[App4that]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

We know the 1080ti is around 30% faster than the vanilla 1080, as I said it isn't many games

 

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review/1100-6448559/#1080p_Benchmarks

 

it is definitely going to be an issue come 1180ti

I'm not sure why you used that link, nothing to do with the 8700k. The results had more to do with memory and older titles. So the issue you're going to see with the 1180ti, is fewer older titles running well on it. 

[Phentos]

53 minutes ago, M300843499 said:

It's what everyone wants really, but a lot of people are in full denial.

"I think it's great, therefore everyone else has to agree."

 

I've used my friend's 165hz monitor for a while when he went on a vacation for 2 weeks, and while the smoothness is appreciated, it's not a make or break thing for me. One thing I immediately noticed more than the smoothness was how crap the colors were, due to it being a TN panel. Yuck.

 

Before you can say "Oh Ryzen can't take advantage of 165hz!" this was when I had my 7700K rig just before switching to Ryzen. Even though my 7700K was delidded and proven to OC to 5 Ghz, I still switched. Reason why is that I honestly rarely do competitive gaming anymore, and the single player games I do play run just fine at well over 60 FPS.

 

Sold my 7700K and Maximus IX Hero for a slight profit to my friend who owned the 165hz monitor and never looked back. When the 8700K came out, sure I had some pangs of regret but I've already invested into Ryzen. Now I'm looking forward to my HEDT build towards the end of the year.

[Emberstone]

I saw CPU bottlenecking on my R5-1600X at 4.0 GHz on my 1070 in a few games, but from what I've seen of Ryzen+ is that you won't really have any issues unless you run a 1080 in a very single-threaded game, or a 1080 Ti at 1080p.

 

Ryzen+'s latency improvements did a lot for the games that particularly hated Ryzen, but you're right in that the GTX 1080/1080 Ti is kind of the limit for the platform right now. If you're spending $300+ on a CPU to game, IMO go for the 8700 or 8700K. If you're spending ~$200 on a CPU to game, IMO go for the 2600X as you're also probably only getting a GTX 1060 or 1070. The 2600X does more stuff better than an 8400 or 8600K since it has twice as many threads. Makes for a better all-around system.

 

Ryzen+ also fixed the memory issues.

[stealth80]

8 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

this test is done with:

 

8 minutes ago, App4that said:

I'm not sure why you used that link, nothing to do with the 8700k. The results had more to do with memory and older titles. So the issue you're going to see with the 1180ti, is fewer older titles running well on it. 

Good catch, got mixed up in my reviews - I've seen it somewhere, screwed if i can find it - my point/opinion stands though, 1180 is rumoured to offer 50% above a 1080, so 1180 at 1080P is gonna be a beast, i don't think any current CPU can keep up with it, unless Devs change their coding techniques.

[DarkSmith2]

3 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Good catch, got mixed up in my reviews - I've seen it somewhere, screwed if i can find it - my point/opinion stands though, 1180 is rumoured to offer 50% above a 1080, so 1180 at 1080P is gonna be a beast, i don't think any current CPU can keep up with it, unless Devs change their coding techniques.

that is old news, actual rumors are this:

So if anything it'll probably be the usual ~30% per Gen.

[stealth80]

4 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

that is old news, actual rumors are this:

its the same chart using 1070 as the datum instead of the 1080, still shows 1180 51% ahead of the 1080

[DarkSmith2]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

its the same chart using 1070 as the datum instead of the 1080 

you have a calculator build in your computer, go ahead use it

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

 

Good catch, got mixed up in my reviews - I've seen it somewhere, screwed if i can find it - my point/opinion stands though, 1180 is rumoured to offer 50% above a 1080, so 1180 at 1080P is gonna be a beast, i don't think any current CPU can keep up with it, unless Devs change their coding techniques.

My guess is about 40%, but that's a nit I'm picking at. I'll probably get tazed for saying it but Nvidia is kinda held back by Radeon right now. If a 1170 matched a 1080ti, a 1170 would beat any AMD card. We're talking a market where AMD's best card, trades blows with a 1160. Only this time it's not a midrange card from AMD, but their flagship. 

 

My guess is a refresh, and Nvidia holding onto their stronger architectures until Radeon gets it together. 

[M300843499]

4 minutes ago, Phentos said:

"I think it's great, therefore everyone else has to agree."

 

I've used my friend's 165hz monitor for a while when he went on a vacation for 2 weeks, and while the smoothness is appreciated, it's not a make or break thing for me. One thing I immediately noticed more than the smoothness was how crap the colors were, due to it being a TN panel. Yuck.

 

Before you can say "Oh Ryzen can't take advantage of 165hz!" this was when I had my 7700K rig just before switching to Ryzen. Even though my 7700K was delidded and proven to OC to 5 Ghz, I still switched. Reason why is that I honestly rarely do competitive gaming anymore, and the single player games I do play run just fine at well over 60 FPS.

 

Sold my 7700K and Maximus IX Hero for a slight profit to my friend who owned the 165hz monitor and never looked back. When the 8700K came out, sure I had some pangs of regret but I've already invested into Ryzen. Now I'm looking forward to my HEDT build towards the end of the year.

So you sold it for your needs, great, what does this have to do with the bottleneck situation and higher refresh panels? denial meant those who refuse to admit the fluidity of higher refresh lol.

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

you have a calculator build in your computer, go ahead use it

sure, 121/100x 51 = (51%) = 61.71 +121 = 182.71 rounded up is 183

 

i know how to use it as well 

[Phentos]

1 minute ago, M300843499 said:

So you sold it for your needs, great, what does this have to do with the bottleneck situation and higher refresh panels? denial meant those who refuse to admit the fluidity of higher refresh lol.

I responded to that statement made by you about everyone not caring about high refresh rates being in "denial", and then gave my opinion about Ryzen vs Intel purchasing decisions afterward.

 

So for those reasons I felt it was an appropriate response lol.