Brainfart !

[Kenjo]

Ok i think i had a massive braincockup ;/  System specs: 

Phanteks P400 TG with RGB Strip
X470 Msi gaming pro
R7 2700x (will oc to 4.2) 
Msi Gaming X 1080 Ti 
4x4gb ddr4 2400mhz will OC to a minimum of 2666mhz

1x 860 Evo 500gb m.2 
2x ssd intel and corsair 240 and 180gb 
Fractal S24 Celsius AiO 2 x 120 fans
Case has 2x 120 fans aswell 

My Current PSU is a Nex750b Evga Supernova, 

Question is have a messed up and not bought a stronger psu ? or is that enough ....  

Not going to touch the GPU clocks just run stock MSI settings

Please dont tell me ive messed up cause im out of budget ,) hahah and wife told me i aint buying anything more for 5 years

 

[FloRolf]

750w is more than enough. It seems like it's only bronce rated so that sucks. Evga is generally good though. 

[seon123]

Just now, FloRolf said:

750w is more than enough. It seems like it's only bronce rated so that sucks. Evga is generally good though. 

The PSU is crap. Not because it's bronze rated, but because it's crap. 

EVGA has a whole load of crappy PSUs, and all of their PSUs (except for the T2) are loud. 

[seon123]

Return the PSU if you can, and get a decent unit. Something like a Focus Plus Gold, Straight Power 11, Whisper M or RMx. 550W is plenty. 

[Kenjo]

Just now, seon123 said:

The PSU is crap. Not because it's bronze rated, but because it's crap. 

EVGA has a whole load of crappy PSUs, and all of their PSUs (except for the T2) are loud. 

I would appreciate help not attacking other posters ive had no issues with any of my PSU from evga/coolermaster/corsair etc .. im worried the 750w is not enough 

 

[OrionFOTL]

Where did he attack you? He attacked your PSU, and rightfully so. 

 

If I didn't have any problems with Samsung Galaxy S8, that doesn't mean I won't have problems with some cheap Samsung flip phone. 

 

If EVGA GTX 1080 is fast, that doesn't mean EVGA GT1030 is fast too. 

 

Brand means nothing. 

 

Your computer would run on a good 450W PSU, but it shouldn't be running on a crappy 750W PSU with no stable voltages. 

[Ezzy-525]

Ello, Ello, Ello, What's goin' on 'ere then?

 

Let's calm it down chaps.

 

@Kenjo 750W is more than enough, but as others have so succinctly put it. Most of the EVGA power supplies aren't very well trusted and tend to be loud. So for the sake of that lovely 1080Ti, consider something with a little less power and higher build quality. As most of us have found out in the past, a poor PSU can wipe out an entire system should it all go Pete Tong.

 

Here is the PSU Tier List , have a look through it and find yourself something within your budget to replace it. If you need help choosing, I'm sure we'd ALL be happy to assist. 

[FloRolf]

22 minutes ago, seon123 said:

The PSU is crap. Not because it's bronze rated, but because it's crap. 

EVGA has a whole load of crappy PSUs, and all of their PSUs (except for the T2) are loud. 

My G2 is pretty good tbh. No issues so far 

[paddy-stone]

I personally have 4 EVGA PSUs (g2/p2) and they are silent, the fans don't spin unless load or temp is at a certain level. I have heard that their cheaper models aren't great, but again can't judge by the brand as they have a wide range... stick to well rated models and you'll be fine.

[RyzenDoctor]

mmmm everyone seems to have forgotten the elephant in the room.... What's with the ram choice?

I'd go for 2X8 gb that are rated higher than that from the factory as the infinity fabric likes faster ram.

 

For PSUs a good 550 or 600 watt is more than enough to power your system. As with every manufacturer when something is cheap and light for its specs there is usually a reason. I have used potato PSUs for years and have never had one fry my system... they died surely but got replaced for $15-20. Now in no way do I endorse doing  that, but some EVGA units qualify as potatoes and others are good.

[seon123]

14 minutes ago, FloRolf said:

My G2 is pretty good tbh. No issues so far 

If it had issues, how would you know? Not saying it has issues (more than likely it doesn't), but if it outputs 500mV ripple, how would you be able to know?

[seon123]

15 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

I personally have 4 EVGA PSUs (g2/p2) and they are silent, the fans don't spin unless load or temp is at a certain level. I have heard that their cheaper models aren't great, but again can't judge by the brand as they have a wide range... stick to well rated models and you'll be fine.

They're definitely not silent. Looking at Tomshardware's review of the P2 750W  and Techpowerup's review of the G2 750W, and you can see that it stays with the fan off until ~350W at ~40°C, before it runs the fan at 8-900RPM. 

The GQ and up is fine for EVGA, the main problem is the fan noise for those. 

[Stefan Payne]

2 hours ago, FloRolf said:

My G2 is pretty good tbh. No issues so far 

Yes, but still rather loud for a more modern PSU. A Cougar GX-F would probably be quieter.

But that's more or less the only issue (well and that its incompatible to Corsair Type 4 cables, the GX-F is not) and PCIe Y-Cables.

But electrically its fine.

 

The Nex750Bronze is utter garbage - they used a shitty plattform from 12 years ago (or so), that wasn't great when it was new. And stuff like that doesn't age well!!

 

 

2 hours ago, paddy-stone said:

I personally have 4 EVGA PSUs (g2/p2) and they are silent, the fans don't spin unless load or temp is at a certain level. I have heard that their cheaper models aren't great, but again can't judge by the brand as they have a wide range... stick to well rated models and you'll be fine.

...because you don't know any better...

Or your system consumes next to nothing, you have the PSU fan pointing to the components and a fairly decent airflow. That all helps to keep the fan off...

 

And when the fan doesn't spin, you don't know how loud it is...
Granted, the 550W Version is somewhat OK, but still not special and a cheapish PSU from Xilence (Performance X) rapes the unit in terms of noise while costing  almost half of the EVGA one...

Granted, sacrifices were made for that price...

 

2 hours ago, Kenjo said:

My Current PSU is a Nex750b Evga Supernova, 

Question is have a messed up and not bought a stronger psu ? or is that enough ....  

Oh dear...

You got such a nice System.

And then this Turd...

Maybe over 10 Years Ago it could have been somewhat fine...

But its not 2006 rigt now, when HardOCP, Jonnyguru and others reviewed the FSP BlueStorm/EPsilon line of PSU - wich were pretty bad even then - its 2018 where EVGA still sells this thing....

 

So replace it with something that's worth your system.

That one is only good for something from before 2006...

[Kenjo]

4 hours ago, OrionFOTL said:

Where did he attack you? He attacked your PSU, and rightfully so. 

 

If I didn't have any problems with Samsung Galaxy S8, that doesn't mean I won't have problems with some cheap Samsung flip phone. 

 

If EVGA GTX 1080 is fast, that doesn't mean EVGA GT1030 is fast too. 

 

Brand means nothing. 

 

Your computer would run on a good 450W PSU, but it shouldn't be running on a crappy 750W PSU with no stable voltages. 

Corsair TX750M PSU is that the TXM ? 

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

43 minutes ago, Kenjo said:

Corsair TX750M PSU is that the TXM ? 

 

What...?

 

Are you looking to buy a Corsair TX? If so, get a 550W model. 750W is massively overkill and just wasted spending for your system. With the money saved you could also buy much faster memory.

[Kenjo]

Just now, STRMfrmXMN said:

What...?

 

Are you looking to buy a Corsair TX? If so, get a 550W model. 750W is massively overkill and just wasted spending for your system. With the money saved you could also buy much faster memory.

This is exceeding my budget by the whole ammount... incase you didnt read OG post ive spent my budget already this is excess money that i will have to slave for the next 6months

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

1 minute ago, Kenjo said:

This is exceeding my budget by the whole ammount... incase you didnt read OG post ive spent my budget already this is excess money that i will have to slave for the next 6months

 

Well then don't get an octacore chip you likely don't need and a 1080 Ti...?

 

Anyways, regardless, there's a lot wrong about the original post (how do you know your chip will hit 4.2 GHz? Why did you choose an X370 board with really crap VRMs to run an overclocked octacore on? Why did you get memory so slow on the Ryzen platform? etc). If you spent all your money already then there's no going back, I suppose, but if you spent all of your money on a 1080 Ti system and have no more money, something tells me some impulse spending might be an issue

[Kenjo]

6 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Well then don't get an octacore chip you likely don't need and a 1080 Ti...?

 

Anyways, regardless, there's a lot wrong about the original post (how do you know your chip will hit 4.2 GHz? Why did you choose an X370 board with really crap VRMs to run an overclocked octacore on? Why did you get memory so slow on the Ryzen platform? etc). If you spent all your money already then there's no going back, I suppose, but if you spent all of your money on a 1080 Ti system and have no more money, something tells me some impulse spending might be an issue

did i write x370 ? i wrote x470 i belive, 

My current build is 1700@3.925ghz on a Asus B350 (no vrm heatsink) and no issues as of yet with the PSU i listed EVGA nex750b 

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

39 minutes ago, Kenjo said:

did i write x370 ? i wrote x470 i belive, 

My current build is 1700@3.925ghz on a Asus B350 (no vrm heatsink) and no issues as of yet with the PSU i listed EVGA nex750b 

 

Ah, well I meant X470. That particular MSI board has a 4-phase. Has a decent heatsink, but it's the worst X470 board for overclocking.

 

I have a 1700X running at 1.425V at just a smidge under 4 GHz. Similar to you, except my board has a very nice VRM and a great heatsink (X370 Prime Pro) while you have nothing cooling the VRM with an *overclocked octacore*.

 

When I had my B350 Strix, with the voltage set to 1.37V (keep in mind it did have a heatsink on the Vcore VRM) the VRM got to 100C within under a minute under full stress. Just because you haven't yet had problems doesn't make it a good idea.

[seon123]

Just now, STRMfrmXMN said:

particular MSI board has a 4-phase. Has a decent heatsink, but it's the worst X470 board for overclocking.

Apparently the X470 version actually uses decent low side MOSFETs this time. It's fine in terms of current capabilities. 

[Kenjo]

1 minute ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Ah, well I meant X470. That particular MSI board has a 4-phase. Has a decent heatsink, but it's the worst X470 board for overclocking.

 

I have a 1700X running at 1.425V at just a smidge under 4 GHz. Similar to you, except my board has a very nice VRM and a great heatsink (X370 Prime Pro) while you have nothing cooling the VRM with an *overclocked octacore*.

 

When I had my B350 Strix, with the voltage set to 1.37V (keep in mind it did have a heatsink on the Vcore VRM) the VRM got to 100C within under a minute under full stress. Just because you haven't yet had problems doesn't make it a good idea.

11 power phases and its Gaming Plus Msi x470  

Also im running my 1700@3.25ghz at 1.365vcore  

[Kenjo]

5 hours ago, RyzenDoctor said:

mmmm everyone seems to have forgotten the elephant in the room.... What's with the ram choice?

I'd go for 2X8 gb that are rated higher than that from the factory as the infinity fabric likes faster ram.

 

For PSUs a good 550 or 600 watt is more than enough to power your system. As with every manufacturer when something is cheap and light for its specs there is usually a reason. I have used potato PSUs for years and have never had one fry my system... they died surely but got replaced for $15-20. Now in no way do I endorse doing  that, but some EVGA units qualify as potatoes and others are good.

the thing is doc , first 2 x 4gb sticks where bought when DDr4 didnt cost an arm and a leg and the 2nd one was bought at a later date when it did cost an arm and a leg.. i have had these sticks to 3200mhz on an intel platform prior to my AMD one

 

[seon123]

6 minutes ago, Kenjo said:

11 power phases and its Gaming Plus Msi x470  

Also im running my 1700@3.25ghz at 1.365vcore  

It's not 11 phases. It's 4+2 phases. 

Number of phases≠number of inductors

Why are you running it at such a low frequency and high voltage?

[Kenjo]

Just now, seon123 said:

It's not 11 phases. It's 4+2 phases. 

Number of phases≠number of inductors

Why are you running it at such a low frequency and high voltage?

Typo  3.925ghz@1.365vcore  

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PLUS/Overview

is what it says

[STRMfrmXMN]

10 minutes ago, Kenjo said:

11 power phases and its Gaming Plus Msi x470  

Also im running my 1700@3.25ghz at 1.365vcore  

It's an "11" phase. The Vcore phases are doubled 4s, then the SOC has 3 phases. It's as electrically capable as a 4-phase. It's used on everything from MSI except for the most high-end boards.