Gaming CPU Needed

[DerBobby]

Hey guys,

 

what is better for a gaming PC? An Intel CPU or a Ryzen CPU? And do you also know a good motherboard for the CPU that you would recommend?

Thanks  

[RollinLower]

well, this depends on your budget ofcourse. the absolute best for gaming right now would be an I7 8700K, tough that is a pretty expensive chip that uses pretty expensive Z370 motherboards.

[Jurrunio]

unless you can afford the best of the best, there's no clear advantage of these two lineup CPUs.

[genexis_x]

Wow you're going to start arguments.

The best is still Intel side due to better IPC, however the best value is Ryzen.

[Damascus]

24 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

unless you can afford the best of the best, there's no clear advantage of these two lineup CPUs.

Technically speaking an 8600k will crush any am4 or threadripper cpu for gaming, an 8400 would probably tie or best them all as well.  There is an advantage, just not an overwhelming one.  Zen is a fantastic, cheap to manufacture workatation architecture that happens to be decent at gaming.

[TheSLSAMG]

12 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

Wow you're going to start arguments.

To be fair, those arguments would come from budget and budget only. Intel is the indisputable king when pitting top end against top end for gaming workloads (8700K vs 1800X or 7980XE vs 1950X).

 

 

[This kid builds pc]

6 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Technically speaking an 8600k will crush any am4 or threadripper cpu for gaming, an 8400 would probably tie or best them all as well.  There is an advantage, just not an overwhelming one.  Zen is a fantastic, cheap to manufacture workatation architecture that happens to be decent at gaming.

8400 is meh bc low clocks. Ryzen at 4ghz gets the same 160 something as the 8400 in single core on cinebench and 4ghz ryzens aren't that uncommon.

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, This kid builds pc said:

8400 is meh bc low clocks. Ryzen at 4ghz gets the same 160 something as the 8400 in single core on cinebench and 4ghz ryzens aren't that uncommon.

8400's clock isnt low unless you are talking about AVX. It can still reach 3.8GHz on all cores with turbo boost in non-AVX workload (games included).

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, This kid builds pc said:

8400 is meh bc low clocks. Ryzen at 4ghz gets the same 160 something as the 8400 in single core on cinebench and 4ghz ryzens aren't that uncommon.

Yes, but you also need to look at optimization and IPC.  I can get nearly 2k CB on a stock 10 core 6950x (3ghz) while an 8 core 1700 will just scrape 1700-1750 at 4ghz

 

If you look at gaming performance the 8400 is ridiculously good value

[Sauron]

48 minutes ago, DerBobby said:

Hey guys,

 

what is better for a gaming PC? An Intel CPU or a Ryzen CPU? And do you also know a good motherboard for the CPU that you would recommend?

Thanks  

It depends completely on your budget and the rest of the build.

Just now, Damascus said:

Yes, but you also need to look at optimization and IPC.  I can get nearly 2k CB on a stock 10 core 6950x (3ghz) while an 8 core 1700 will just scrape 1700-1750 at 4ghz

 

If you look at gaming performance the 8400 is ridiculously good value

Not when you factor in the minimum cost of a covfefe lake motherboard. You can run a r1600 on a 50$ potato just fine, for an 8400 you need to drop 120$ on the mobo AT LEAST and you get no overclocking.

[Damascus]

Just now, Sauron said:

You can run a r1600 on a 50$ potato just fine

Not really, a 1600 will roast the vrms on most $100 am4 boards

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

for an 8400 you need to drop 120$ on the mobo AT LEAST and you get no overclocking.

Not an issue anymore, the budget chipsets are launching soon.  Beyond that, you still get better performance in gaming (not workstation though)

 

cheapest z370 board is 90 bucks

[Sauron]

Just now, Damascus said:

Not an issue anymore, the budget chipsets are launching soon.

Come back to me when they do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ there should be no vrm toasting if you don't overclock the 1600 much.

[Damascus]

Just now, Sauron said:

Come back to me when they do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ there should be no vrm toasting if you don't overclock the 1600 much.

Sure, but then your argument for not being able to OC the 8400 applies to the 1600 and you still get less performance.

 

I don't hate Zen, I had a 1700 for a while.  I'm also a realist - the 8400 is clearly the winner for gaming with a slightly higher fps/$ and not being reliant on expensive high speed RAM 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W4YJvV
 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($178.90 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370P D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($89.00 @ Amazon) 
Total: $267.90

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NVwy7h
 

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($188.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $263.39

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370P D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($89.00 @ Amazon) 

Where the hell was this thing the last time I checked? 

 

The 8400 definitely makes more sense with this on the board (pun intended) - but again, it all depends on how much he's willing to spend and what graphics card he's getting, we may not even be in 1600/8400 range.

[Damascus]

17 minutes ago, Damascus said:

cheapest z370 board is 90 bucks

 

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Where the hell was this thing the last time I checked? 

 

The 8400 definitely makes more sense with this on the board (pun intended) - but again, it all depends on how much he's willing to spend and what graphics card he's getting, we may not even be in 1600/8400 range.

Entirely true, and I see the 8100 as meh value at best due to the price of the mobo.  A 1200 is definitely a better option for that price range 

[genexis_x]

14 minutes ago, Damascus said:

1200

And maybe 2200G too depending on prices

[DerBobby]

1 hour ago, RollinLower said:

well, this depends on your budget ofcourse. the absolute best for gaming right now would be an I7 8700K, tough that is a pretty expensive chip that uses pretty expensive Z370 motherboards.

 

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

It depends completely on your budget and the rest of the build.

Not when you factor in the minimum cost of a covfefe lake motherboard. You can run a r1600 on a 50$ potato just fine, for an 8400 you need to drop 120$ on the mobo AT LEAST and you get no overclocking.

I made a build now with an i7 8700k on kind of a budget haha.

 

Here it is: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4yG8KB

 

What do you think about it?

 

PS: I don´t have a PSU and a fan in there because I already have good parts for that.

[Emberstone]

1 hour ago, Damascus said:

Not really, a 1600 will roast the vrms on most $100 am4 boards

I wouldn't say "most," but there are definitely a several questionable ones (MSI B350 Tomahawk, Asus Prime B350M-A, etc.).

 

There are very few B350 boards I'd be okay with dropping an R7 into, though.

[Sauron]

51 minutes ago, DerBobby said:

 

I made a build now with an i7 8700k on kind of a budget haha.

 

Here it is: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4yG8KB

 

What do you think about it?

 

PS: I don´t have a PSU and a fan in there because I already have good parts for that.

You can get a 1080 for little more than that 1070ti, get an i5 8600k instead of the i7 if that throws you over budget.

[Ebony Falcon]

16 minutes ago, DerBobby said:

 

I made a build now with an i7 8700k on kind of a budget haha.

 

Here it is: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4yG8KB

 

What do you think about it?

 

PS: I don´t have a PSU and a fan in there because I already have good parts for that.

Looks good but try get some faster ram instead of cheep crap 

psu a 500w superflower  would be nice 

 

[DerBobby]

15 minutes ago, Ebony Falcon said:

Looks good but try get some faster ram instead of cheep crap 

psu a 500w superflower  would be nice 

 

What RAM would you recommend?

And I already have a good PSU. I got a 650w Seasonic 80+ gold.

[DarkSmith2]

4 hours ago, DerBobby said:

 

I made a build now with an i7 8700k on kind of a budget haha.

 

Here it is: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4yG8KB

 

What do you think about it?

 

PS: I don´t have a PSU and a fan in there because I already have good parts for that.

get atleast ddr4-2666 bro, its natively supported. but the price difference to the lower ddr4 3200 kits is so little (10€) it doesnt really make sense to cheap out on it. Also i would prefer the Asus - Prime Z370-A motherboard but this is only personal preference. Asrock Extreme 4 is good if not better.

[This kid builds pc]

9 hours ago, Damascus said:

Not really, a 1600 will roast the vrms on most $100 am4 boards

Not an issue anymore, the budget chipsets are launching soon.  Beyond that, you still get better performance in gaming (not workstation though)

 

cheapest z370 board is 90 bucks

Got my 1700 on a 50 dollar potato at the moment oc'd to 3.9 and the VRMs are cooler than a polar bear

[Ace McPlane]

10 hours ago, DerBobby said:

Hey guys,

 

what is better for a gaming PC? An Intel CPU or a Ryzen CPU? And do you also know a good motherboard for the CPU that you would recommend?

Thanks  

The CPU isn't as important for gaming.

Just get something that'll do you and focus your money on the graphics card.

Heck, I run haswell systems and I don't experience any bottlenecks.

I would recommend a newer platform though for lots of other reasons if you're going to buy new anyways like how 1150 socket motherboards are hard to come by new now. Used is a whole other story.

Both Intel and Ryzen will do you fine.

Just go with something that's at least 4 core, around 3.5ghz ish or higher and you'll be fine.

 

 

If you're looking to get into stuff like VR, your motherboard actually matters more.

You want an extra PCIe lane (That's not covered by the graphics card fan shroud!) for a USB expansion card if you need one and you want lots of USB 3.0 for that.

That stuff tends to matter more.

 

Just do up a pcpartpicker list.. go with like a ryzen 5 or maybe a 6700k.. whichever you prefer and show us what you come up with. I can check over your motherboard choice before you buy

If you get a slightly older K skew processor instead of buying something really new like coffeelake, you can just overclock to get closer to the same level of performance. As long as you put a decent cooler on there of course. Even an evo 212 would be enough to do a decent OC. It's not hard to do a basic overclock either. 

 

 

[Damascus]

1 hour ago, This kid builds pc said:

Got my 1700 on a 50 dollar potato at the moment oc'd to 3.9 and the VRMs are cooler than a polar bear

Please provide some proofo, have you tested with  a thermal probe, do you have a fan blowing directly on it etc