Gaming CPU Needed

[LoganTNZ]

Inb4 ryzen fanboy goes "lol. Its ONLY 40 fps difference. Get over it! Nd those benchmarks are fake, according to this 100% reliable source, theres only a 5 fps difference between a 8700k overclocked to 10ghz and undervolted 1400"

 

But in all seriousness, if you want the best performance, its intel or bust. No ryzen can ever compete with intel's gaming performance. (Also the 8700k will crush any ryzen at workstation tasks but its 900aud for mobo and cpu)

 

Do you do workstation tasks alot? Go with ryzen. Or are you on a tight budget? Ryzen again. If you have a decent budget and only game, intel

[DerBobby]

2 hours ago, stateofpsychosis said:

The CPU isn't as important for gaming.

Just get something that'll do you and focus your money on the graphics card.

Heck, I run haswell systems and I don't experience any bottlenecks.

I would recommend a newer platform though for lots of other reasons if you're going to buy new anyways like how 1150 socket motherboards are hard to come by new now. Used is a whole other story.

Both Intel and Ryzen will do you fine.

Just go with something that's at least 4 core, around 3.5ghz ish or higher and you'll be fine.

 

 

If you're looking to get into stuff like VR, your motherboard actually matters more.

You want an extra PCIe lane (That's not covered by the graphics card fan shroud!) for a USB expansion card if you need one and you want lots of USB 3.0 for that.

That stuff tends to matter more.

 

Just do up a pcpartpicker list.. go with like a ryzen 5 or maybe a 6700k.. whichever you prefer and show us what you come up with. I can check over your motherboard choice before you buy

If you get a slightly older K skew processor instead of buying something really new like coffeelake, you can just overclock to get closer to the same level of performance. As long as you put a decent cooler on there of course. Even an evo 212 would be enough to do a decent OC. It's not hard to do a basic overclock either. 

 

 

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6t4ccY

 

What do you think about that part list?

 

As a gpu I would get the EVGA 1080 SC Gaming

[LoganTNZ]

3 minutes ago, DerBobby said:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6t4ccY

 

What do you think about that part list?

 

As a gpu I would get the EVGA 1080 SC Gaming

I personally wouldnt go with an m.2 drive. Theres barely any noticable difference between m.2 and sata in most situations

[DerBobby]

Just now, LoganTNZ said:

I personally wouldnt go with an m.2 drive. Theres barely any noticable difference between m.2 and sata in most situations

I would use the m.2 for my operating system. Is that unnecessary?

[LoganTNZ]

4 minutes ago, DerBobby said:

I would use the m.2 for my operating system. Is that unnecessary?

Youre paying 100 euros for less than a second faster boot time

[DerBobby]

1 minute ago, LoganTNZ said:

Youre paying 100 euros for less than a second faster boot time

Ok then I won´t get that and use that money for something else.

[DarkSmith2]

32 minutes ago, DerBobby said:

I would use the m.2 for my operating system. Is that unnecessary?

Luxury but not unnecessary. I want one, friends have some, its a big difference but not as big as from HDD to SSD. Still relevant if you plan to make your system as snappy as possible. Some games do benefit also, but most of them dont.

 

i personally would rather cut the HDD, they are loud, huge, slow, warm, heavy no reason to buy them for gaming rigs in 2018 if you dont handle with HUGE amounts of data.

[Damascus]

@LoganTNZ @DarkSmith2 don't conflate m.2 and nvme. An mx300 m.2 will likely be less expensive than it's 2.5" counterpart, and I strongly recommend ditching standard sata.  M.2 is on the rise, it's not worth investing in a decade old connection system

[This kid builds pc]

2 hours ago, Damascus said:

Please provide some proofo, have you tested with  a thermal probe, do you have a fan blowing directly on it etc

If it’s not on fire and lasts for years then it’s cooler than a polar bear by my standards

[LoganTNZ]

7 hours ago, Damascus said:

@LoganTNZ @DarkSmith2 don't conflate m.2 and nvme. An mx300 m.2 will likely be less expensive than it's 2.5" counterpart, and I strongly recommend ditching standard sata.  M.2 is on the rise, it's not worth investing in a decade old connection system

For gaming, theres little difference. And, really, its only a second difference in bolt times. Its not like going from a hdd to a ssd. And they are actually more expensive. That 250gb samsung evo is a bit more expensive than a 500gb sata ssd

 

And you shouldnt ditch the hdd, OP. Its not very expensive for 1tb and it can hold all your large, multiplayer games

 

EDIT: nvm im dumb. What i said is embarrassing, please ignore me

Edited March 22, 2018 by LoganTNZ

[Damascus]

I don't know what your budget is but I would just get a 1.1tb ssd and an 8700k.  You also need cpu cooling

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/wrbm8Y
 

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (€314.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€153.94 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€184.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€242.40 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  (€89.90 @ Caseking) 
Total: €985.92

[Kenjo]

11 hours ago, This kid builds pc said:

Got my 1700 on a 50 dollar potato at the moment oc'd to 3.9 and the VRMs are cooler than a polar bear

Polar bears arnt that cold .. the enviroment they live in is... logic much ? 

R7 1700@3.95ghz 1.38vcore 55c load 22c idle ... 

This on Asus B350m-a Prime..... Vrms... if they pop they pop 3 year warranty....

 

[SpencerC]

OP, what many of the Intel proponents seem to be conveniently leaving out of the conversation is that there are going to be new Ryzen processors launching in April. Now ask yourself, "Would I like to waste my money unnecessarily?". If the answer is no, then I would recommend waiting until April hits in a few weeks, unless your budget is in the $1700+ range.

[DerBobby]

3 hours ago, Damascus said:

I don't know what your budget is but I would just get a 1.1tb ssd and an 8700k.  You also need cpu cooling

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/wrbm8Y
 

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (€314.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€153.94 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€184.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€242.40 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  (€89.90 @ Caseking) 
Total: €985.92

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/TRfXHh

 

I would do it like this then. I already have a good PSU and a good fan and as a GPU I would use the EVGA 1080 SC Gaming. What do you think about that?

[Kenjo]

3 minutes ago, DerBobby said:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/TRfXHh

 

I would do it like this then. I already have a good PSU and a good fan and as a GPU I would use the EVGA 1080 SC Gaming. What do you think about that?

in your case i wouldnt buy a GPU at this moment in time considering GTC is on monday and we still dont know whats happening... HODL ! 

 

[Ace McPlane]

15 hours ago, DerBobby said:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6t4ccY

 

What do you think about that part list?

 

As a gpu I would get the EVGA 1080 SC Gaming

Well that's going pretty unnecessarily high end with the CPU

I'd personally build like a skylake or kabylake system right now.

Anything between a 6700k to a 7700k.

Coffeelake is just so overkill for gaming.

 

Also, you forgot to add a CPU cooler.

That chip doesn't come with a stock one so you definitely need to get an aftermarket one.

 

The M.2 drive will disable some of your sata ports. Just keep that in mind.

I'd do a little research on that mobo to find out exactly which. An M.2 drive would disable one of the PCIe lanes for me for example so I'd want to know if there's anything more that yours would disable.

This information will be in the user manual which you can find online if you google for it.

 

Just get one of those SSD's. You don't need both. I'd only get two if I was planning on dual booting with two operating systems and wanted to keep them separate. If I wanted more SSD storage, I'd just buy a bigger drive instead of two.

Instead get a higher capacity hard drive to go with it than just a 1tb one.

Go for like 2 or 3tb.

That's what I'd do anyways.

 

And yea... I'd wait on buying a GPU right now unless you've got the money and just don't care.

 

 

 

 

 

[Damascus]

3 hours ago, DerBobby said:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/TRfXHh

 

I would do it like this then. I already have a good PSU and a good fan and as a GPU I would use the EVGA 1080 SC Gaming. What do you think about that?

Yeah, looks good though why not go all ssd?

[DarkSmith2]

36 minutes ago, stateofpsychosis said:

Well that's going pretty unnecessarily high end with the CPU

I'd personally build like a skylake or kabylake system right now.

Anything between a 6700k to a 7700k.

Coffeelake is just so overkill for gaming.

elaborate

 

36 minutes ago, stateofpsychosis said:

Also, you forgot to add a CPU cooler.

That chip doesn't come with a stock one so you definitely need to get an aftermarket one.

he said already that he has one. read the whole thread.

 

36 minutes ago, stateofpsychosis said:

The M.2 drive will disable some of your sata ports. Just keep that in mind.

I'd do a little research on that mobo to find out exactly which. An M.2 drive would disable one of the PCIe lanes for me for example so I'd want to know if there's anything more that yours would disable.

This information will be in the user manual which you can find online if you google for it.

true, most often Sata_1 + Sata_2(if nvme) depending on which M.2slot is used.

 

36 minutes ago, stateofpsychosis said:

And yea... I'd wait on buying a GPU right now unless you've got the money and just don't care.

agree, but if you have nothing you have to buy a GPU if you want to play.

 

36 minutes ago, stateofpsychosis said:

Just get one of those SSD's. You don't need both. I'd only get two if I was planning on dual booting with two operating systems and wanted to keep them separate. If I wanted more SSD storage, I'd just buy a bigger drive instead of two.

Instead get a higher capacity hard drive to go with it than just a 1tb one.

Go for like 2 or 3tb.

That's what I'd do anyways.

disagree, perfect storage setup for me looks like 1x 500GB NVME SSD + 2x500GB Sata SSDs in raid.

[DerBobby]

44 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Yeah, looks good though why not go all ssd?

I basically just want the hdd to store all of my Pictures and videos I won't really run anything from it. I'll use the ssd's for that.

[Damascus]

13 minutes ago, DerBobby said:

I basically just want the hdd to store all of my Pictures and videos I won't really run anything from it. I'll use the ssd's for that.

Sure, in that case you could get a 1.1tb ssd + 2tb hdd for a similar price as your current combo

[Ordinarily_Greater]

On 21/3/2018 at 2:56 PM, DerBobby said:

Hey guys,

 

what is better for a gaming PC? An Intel CPU or a Ryzen CPU? And do you also know a good motherboard for the CPU that you would recommend?

Thanks  

Ryzen CPU (APU to be precise if you are on a tight budget) if in a tight budget

Intel CPU if you want Robust ecosystem

[Ace McPlane]

20 minutes ago, DerBobby said:

I basically just want the hdd to store all of my Pictures and videos I won't really run anything from it. I'll use the ssd's for that.

Just keep in mind that an SSD is only going to improve load times for your games not the actual gaming performance so if you don't want to waste money, use the hard drive for your games. I just put a couple of games that take forever to load or I play often on my SSD and the rest on the hard drive. 

[This kid builds pc]

@Damascus my VRMs are not on fire or anything, but I do have to admit that the VRMs suck dick. Couldn't handle 3.9 at 1.3125 and I had to feed it more juice at the vid just to get 1.33125v on the VDD and even then I was having Vdroop but it was somewhat stable. I need to find myself a better am4 micro atx board (fuck the tuf b350m though cause asus is overpriced mediocre ass).

[Damascus]

8 hours ago, This kid builds pc said:

@Damascus my VRMs are not on fire or anything, but I do have to admit that the VRMs suck dick. Couldn't handle 3.9 at 1.3125 and I had to feed it more juice at the vid just to get 1.33125v on the VDD and even then I was having Vdroop but it was somewhat stable. I need to find myself a better am4 micro atx board (fuck the tuf b350m though cause asus is overpriced mediocre ass).

That's actually why I quit on ryzen in the first place there are only like 3 good mobos and 2 of those are high-end ATX-EATX boards.  There aren't any good options for mATX

[SSJGodemis]

Ryzen is great for a multi threaded system and solid for gaming. I chose the 1600 over the 7700k so I could get an GTX 1080 Ti. When I got my Ryzen 1600, Intel still had not released coffee lake, and when it did all you could get where the Z boards. Intel jumped in hard to try and get back in the game as AMD was legit challenging them now. 

 

Right now I would get an 8400 or I7 8700k if this is solely for gaming.  The 8400 offers a better overall value than the 8600 or 8600k. The 8700k is faster and has even more threads. Of course it depends on budget.