Help deciding between 1800X and 8700K.

[Armakar]

Building another rig soon, my current rig is in my specs. This rig will be at my other house, and have the same usages as my current one. It'll use a 1080Ti and I have a kit of Trident Z RGB 3200MHZ RAM to pair with it. The thing I'm struggling on deciding is the 1800X vs the 8700K.
 

I'll be using it for gaming, streaming, recording, an occasional (by occasional, I mean once a week at most) 3d rendering, unreal engine and video creation. All of this will be in 1440p, 165HZ on a G-Sync panel.

 

 

My 8700K build handles this well, and 90% of the time my GPU is bottlenecking me (1080Ti). But I really can't decide between the two, and I'll explain why:
 

My reasons for going with the 1800X:
- Intel piss me off. I shouldn't need to explain this. Giving them more of my money feels bad.
- Having 24 PCIE lanes means I can get an NVME SSD without running my 1080Ti in 8X. I'll be using another 1TB SSD, so this is useful.

- It's cheaper.

- I'll be able to get a better motherboard. I would be getting the EATX Crosshair VI Extreme. Crazy good board.

- I'd be able to upgrade to Ryzen 2 / Zen 2 and 3rd gens, which I would plan to do if I got the 1800X.

- Lower temps = lower fans = quieter build

 

My reasons for going with the 8700K:
- I have no idea if the 1800X is going to be able to deliver the frames a 1080Ti requires. Let's face it, the 8700K DESTROYS it in games. The 1800X matches about that of a 4790K in games.

 

 

So.. anyone got any input here? EVERYTHING makes me want to go for the 1800X this time, but I really don't know if i'll be able to get the frames I want at 1440p. I know games like OW, LoL and lighter games will be fine, but I want over 60FPS minimum in games like PUBG, WoW,  and random other games. I don't want a single game to struggle to get a minimum of atleast 60FPS. 

 

 

[Princess Luna]

Just wait a month for the Ryzen+ 7 2800x?

[WebPlayz]

Just now, Armakar said:

Building another rig soon, my current rig is in my specs. This rig will be at my other house, and have the same usages as my current one. It'll use a 1080Ti and I have a kit of Trident Z RGB 3200MHZ RAM to pair with it. The thing I'm struggling on deciding is the 1800X vs the 8700K.
 

I'll be using it for gaming, streaming, recording, an occasional (by occasional, I mean once a week at most) 3d rendering, unreal engine and video creation. All of this will be in 1440p, 165HZ on a G-Sync panel.

 

 

My 8700K build handles this well, and 90% of the time my GPU is bottlenecking me (1080Ti). But I really can't decide between the two, and I'll explain why:
 

My reasons for going with the 1800X:
- Intel piss me off. I shouldn't need to explain this. Giving them more of my money feels bad.
- Having 24 PCIE lanes means I can get an NVME SSD without running my 1080Ti in 8X. I'll be using another 1TB SSD, so this is useful.

- It's cheaper.

- I'll be able to get a better motherboard. I would be getting the EATX Crosshair VI Extreme. Crazy good board.

- I'd be able to upgrade to Ryzen 2 / Zen 2 and 3rd gens, which I would plan to do if I got the 1800X.

- Lower temps = lower fans = quieter build

 

My reasons for going with the 8700K:
- I have no idea if the 1800X is going to be able to deliver the frames a 1080Ti requires. Let's face it, the 8700K DESTROYS it in games. The 1800X matches about that of a 4790K in games.

 

 

So.. anyone got any input here? EVERYTHING makes me want to go for the 1800X this time, but I really don't know if i'll be able to get the frames I want at 1440p. I know games like OW, LoL and lighter games will be fine, but I want over 60FPS minimum in games like PUBG, WoW,  and random other games. I don't want a single game to struggle to get a minimum of atleast 60FPS. 

 

 

I would Get 1800X because you have an upgrade path for zen 2. And it's not like Intel where you buy say a 7700K then not even a year later 8700K comes out, That's a sad feeling. With ryzen, you get great multithread performance and is great for streaming and playing games. at the same time.

[Armakar]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Just wait a month for the Ryzen+ 7 2800x?

I mean, I don't have a problem with just getting a 2800X when it's released. My motherboard will be compatible with it anyway. Unless the X470 boards will have anything new or better about them, I'm fine with just getting an X370 board and sticking a 2800X in it when it's released.

[Wolfca]

So I'm not an expert by any means, but if the plan is to upgrade to Ryzen+/Ryzen2 in the future, why not nab a 1700, overclock it to near the performance a 1800x would give you, and save a few bucks to upgrade in the future?

[Princess Luna]

4 minutes ago, Killstreak said:

I would Get 1800X because you have an upgrade path for zen 2.

Which already is coming next month so why not just wait? Besides this is disgusting, the whole "future proof with a motherboard" look at his stuff he can afford a new motherboard when he wants to upgrade to something better.

 

It makes no sense buy an inferior processor today because you can reuse your motherboard to buy a new processor here in a year or two that will perform like the processor you could already have bought at first and in the 2 years ago already.

 

If you want more performance than upgrading platform (motherboard) is needed regardless.

 

@Armakar Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for Ryzen, I'd just wait February release of the refresh, the 1800x is identical to the 1700 at 3.9ghz and its single thread performance is disappointing to who has a Coffee Lake i7.

 

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I mean, I don't have a problem with just getting a 2800X when it's released. My motherboard will be compatible with it anyway. Unless the X470 boards will have anything new or better about them, I'm fine with just getting an X370 board and sticking a 2800X in it when it's released.

You realize it is next month? why burn money like that? just wait for it... might end up crippling something because of the chipset difference so why not just get all new?

[Streetguru]

11 minutes ago, Armakar said:

the 8700K DESTROYS it in games

It's only what 20-40% more performance depending on the game? say 100fps vs 120+fps in the average AAA game?

 

Ryzen is still going to be pretty alright for gaming, but you want the R7 1700 with an OC not the 1800X

Or just save up and get a 1950X

 

 

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

It's only what 20-40% more performance depending on the game? say 100fps vs 120+fps in the average AAA game?

 

[Cryptica135]

I would go with the 1800x if you had to pick now. But if you are not in a hurry I would wait for zen 2 to come out. Also I might just get a lower end ryzen 7 and overclock it to match the 1800x - depending on your use case.

[Streetguru]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

Does the video just sum up my usual?

CPUs bottleneck refresh rate

GPUs bottleneck resolution/quality

It just comes down to intel is faster for gaming, but ryzen is pretty good at gaming, and gives you 8 cores on the cheap

[AnalogCanavity]

Just wait for the R7 2800X

[Vibora]

I'd go with the 8700K, simply because I believe its better overall.

Here's something to support my thought.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3937vs3916

[DarkSmith2]

46 minutes ago, Armakar said:

All of this will be in 1440p, 165HZ on a G-Sync panel.

Ryzen isnt capable of delivering this.

[lukart]

8700K for sure, if you want to have a serious gaming rig.

Games like the higher clocks, even if you overclock the Ryzen, intel overclocks even more.

[Streetguru]

13 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

Ryzen isnt capable of delivering this.

in AAA games*

[ErickS89]

If this is strictly a gaming rig I'd just get the 8700k, if any productivity is involved I'd look at Threadripper or X299.

[DarkSmith2]

13 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

in AAA games*

true, but in competitive games such as csgo you actually want FPS = Hz*2 which Intel is capable of but Ryzen often still isnt.

You can play with both machines, but if i would want high refreshrate gaming i wouldnt choose a 1800x over a 8700k...

 

With a 60 or 75hz Monitor i probably would choose Ryzen (r5 1600) if i would want to safe some bucks and ignore all Monitor upgrade paths. 

[WebPlayz]

4 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Which already is coming next month so why not just wait? Besides this is disgusting, the whole "future proof with a motherboard" look at his stuff he can afford a new motherboard when he wants to upgrade to something better.

 

It makes no sense buy an inferior processor today because you can reuse your motherboard to buy a new processor here in a year or two that will perform like the processor you could already have bought at first and in the 2 years ago already.

 

If you want more performance than upgrading platform (motherboard) is needed regardless.

 

@Armakar Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for Ryzen, I'd just wait February release of the refresh, the 1800x is identical to the 1700 at 3.9ghz and its single thread performance is disappointing to who has a Coffee Lake i7.

 

You realize it is next month? why burn money like that? just wait for it... might end up crippling something because of the chipset difference so why not just get all new?

No next month is ryzen 2. Zen 2 is in 2019.

[Ωhmbreon]

For the reasons you said yourself, I'd go with the 1800X, or wait for the Ryzen+ equivalent. The AM4 socket is also supposed to be around for four generations, so upgradeability is better compared to Intel. Or you could go with the lower-clocked and cheaper Ryzen 8-core options and just overclock.

[xg32]

i'd wait for zen+ benchmarks, there's no way the 1800x will give u the fps that u want since you already have a 8700k.