WHEN WILL THE PRICES FALL!!!

[AlexAxill]

So I want to build a pc in june and as I see it I wont be able as 2 ddr4 4gb sticks cost 120 euros in Greece and a 1060 is 250. Does anyone know when the prices will fall?Plz halp.

[DodoDodo123]

2 minutes ago, AlexAxill said:

So I want to build a pc in june and as I see it I wont be able as 2 ddr4 4gb sticks cost 120 euros in Greece and a 1060 is 250. Does anyone know when the prices will fall?Plz halp.

I don't live in Greece so I don't know when the prices will fall...

 

[SquintyG33Rs]

the 1060 price is pretty normal and ram price will go down when the new process is completed and they build more factories...... things that take years to do so don't get too hopeful for it

[AlexAxill]

1 minute ago, DodoDodo123 said:

I don't live in Greece so I don't know when the prices will fall...

 

No I mean generally

[GOTSpectrum]

2 minutes ago, AlexAxill said:

So I want to build a pc in june and as I see it I wont be able as 2 ddr4 4gb sticks cost 120 euros in Greece and a 1060 is 250. Does anyone know when the prices will fall?Plz halp.

Never, if these memory manufacturers have any smarts about them they will slowly raise their prices to match any drops to increase profit margins.

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, XamiKami said:

planning to buy a Graphics card atm.... its a baad time.

I think GPUs will get Cheaper once AMD and nVidia come out with their dedicated Mining cards and by that the Demand for Gaming GPUs will fall

Now data centres can't use geforce maybe we will see an influx of them on the likes of eBay. And dedicated mining cards have been a thing since around 5 months after the RX 400 series was released. Very few miners actually bought them.

[LogicalDrm]

They won't fall. So don't count on that. Old generation stuff will be bit cheaper when new generation comes to market. RAM isn't likely to drop anytime soon. Not massive drops anyway. Main principle of marketing is to make money. And high prices guarantee every company very high margins. For change. So it isn't beneficial to any to drop prices to gain customers.

[Zodiark1593]

No word of a price drop in the foreseeable future, so either bite the bullet, or buy a used (Haswell) system. Not really any other choice if you need a PC soon.

[ClippTube]

Graphics cards are expensive at the moment due to cryptomining (where your computer farms for currency) which uses a GPU

 

1070 and 1080s are increasing all the time due to this

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, XamiKami said:

I think GPUs will get Cheaper once AMD and nVidia come out with their dedicated Mining cards and by that the Demand for Gaming GPUs will fall

And this is assuming they're actually cheaper in every way than the 1060

[Energycore]

2 hours ago, XamiKami said:

planning to buy a Graphics card atm.... its a baad time.

I think GPUs will get Cheaper once AMD and nVidia come out with their dedicated Mining cards and by that the Demand for Gaming GPUs will fall

I'm not sure about that because AMD and Nvidia still are having to sell an unprecedented amount of chips as their GPUs open up to a new and bigger market than gamers.

 

In other words, what's gonna stop miners from buying both the mining AND the gaming cards? Driver or BIOS level tweaks on "gaming" cards that would prevent them from mining could be worked around or patched with custom drivers / BIOSs.

[luigi90210]

2 hours ago, AlexAxill said:

So I want to build a pc in june and as I see it I wont be able as 2 ddr4 4gb sticks cost 120 euros in Greece and a 1060 is 250. Does anyone know when the prices will fall?Plz halp.

never from the looks of it there might be price fixing involved with the dram market and both graphics card manufactures need to step up production or mining needs to completely die

[Energycore]

Just now, luigi90210 said:

mining needs to completely die

Maybe when Ethereum goes Proof of Stake. Hopefully. Their ideas for the PoS algorithm could both ease the problem with GPU supply as well as the stupid amounts of power that miners use to secure the ethereum blockchain. It might be a couple years before it goes entirely Proof of Stake though, since the first implementation will only have a subset of all blocks secured with that method to save the risk of a bug in the algorithm killing everyone's money.

 

So I predict 2018 will still have very high GPU prices past the entry level, while DRAM is more likely to go down this year.

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[CyberMist]

The best answer to this topic> When will prices fall.?< would be. 

sooner than never, latter than tomorrow.

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, CyberMist said:

The best answer to this topic> When will prices fall.?< would be. 

sooner than never, latter than tomorrow.

I think it's realistic to make a bit more narrow of a prediction

[CyberMist]

13 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I think it's realistic to make a bit more narrow of a prediction

It's as narrow it can be.    

 

Personally, I am aware that IT  prices may increase. 

 

[Energycore]

10 minutes ago, CyberMist said:

It's as narrow it can be.    

It's not even guaranteed that GPU prices will ever go down, so if you want to be 100% accurate you can't even say they will go down somewhere between today and the end of time

 

Instead, you can make an educated opinion on a narrow-ish interval of time with 90 or 99% accuracy and call that a prediction.

[Donut417]

1 hour ago, Energycore said:

In other words, what's gonna stop miners from buying both the mining AND the gaming cards?

I got a good way. How about the Government taxes all the miners? Capital Gains Tax. Seeing how bit coin is worth tens of thousands. I dont see what people see in crypto currency. Its not stable, and its not backed by anything. 

[Energycore]

6 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

I got a good way. How about the Government taxes all the miners? Capital Gains Tax. Seeing how bit coin is worth tens of thousands. I dont see what people see in crypto currency. Its not stable, and its not backed by anything. 

What do you mean with not backed by anything?

[Donut417]

3 minutes ago, Energycore said:

What do you mean with not backed by anything?

Its not backed by any Government. While US currency is not technically backed by anything substantial. The US goverment holds a shit load of Gold. So in a way, that kinda gives people more confidence to trust US currency. Bit coin has no government backing. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

8 minutes ago, Energycore said:

What do you mean with not backed by anything?

It's fiat currency, the ultimate form of it. It has worth because people believe it does.

 

4 hours ago, Ben Quigley said:

Now data centres can't use geforce maybe we will see an influx of them on the likes of eBay. And dedicated mining cards have been a thing since around 5 months after the RX 400 series was released. Very few miners actually bought them.

I doubt that. They just won't get support from NVIDIA. If they really need it, they'll bend over. But for those that think they can squirt by, they won't care.

 

16 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

I got a good way. How about the Government taxes all the miners? Capital Gains Tax. Seeing how bit coin is worth tens of thousands. I dont see what people see in crypto currency. Its not stable, and its not backed by anything. 

The person has to report it first, which good luck proving something is yours considering cryptocurrency is set up to be as anonymous as possible.

 

EDIT: Legally you're supposed to report any and all income to the IRS. However, I don't think a lot of people who make money from hobbies do that. And until the IRS audits them, there's no way they can prove they had any more income than what the person declared.

Edited January 5, 2018 by M.Yurizaki

[Donut417]

3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

The person has to report it first, which good luck proving something is yours considering cryptocurrency is set up to be as anonymous as possible.

 

EDIT: Legally you're supposed to report any and all income to the IRS. However, I don't think a lot of people who make money from hobbies do that. And until the IRS audits them, there's no way they can prove they had any more income than what the person declared.

Which is why the Government needs to regulate it. Put is claws in to it, and make it not anonymous. 

[Energycore]

6 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

It's fiat currency, the ultimate form of it. It has worth because people believe it does.

So is paper money though? And so are bank checks. If the banks don't believe that this check is worth the number written you have a piece of paper.

7 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Its not backed by any Government. While US currency is not technically backed by anything substantial. The US goverment holds a shit load of Gold. So in a way, that kinda gives people more confidence to trust US currency. Bit coin has no government backing. 

I think I see your point, there's also not yet any big company that has made the risky move of switching their payment methods to bitcoin.

 

1 minute ago, Donut417 said:

Which is why the Government needs to regulate it. Put is claws in to it, and make it not anonymous. 

How do you do that though? You regulate one coin, people (who want to make payments with anonymity for criminal purposes or otherwise) can just make a new blockchain and secure it by themselves with compute power. You would need a big stranglehold on everyone's internet connections.

[Mira Yurizaki]

6 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Which is why the Government needs to regulate it. Put is claws in to it, and make it not anonymous. 

How do you regulate something that's globally decentralized?

4 minutes ago, Energycore said:

So is paper money though? And so are bank checks. If the banks don't believe that this check is worth the number written you have a piece of paper.

That's just the way modern money works. Everyone believes it has some value.

 

But I guess the defining point is that cyptocurrency currently is not legal tender in any country (as far as I know). It is treated as property in some though.