Youtube Disaster

[Snickerzz]

 

man that guy.. Banking the money big time. with an estimated earnings of 240k a month

yeah he gives back to charity but honestly im happy that this is making people like him find real jobs.

 

 

To him and many others that was his real job.. Youtubers put a shit ton of hours in to producing content daily for us to watch, just because its not a job working at mcdonalds or working at walmart doesnt make it a unreal job

[accelleon]

I asked this in another one of the "YouTube Disaster" threads: Are there any legit arguments to why this is bad except "baww I won't make money for playing games all day!"?

I mean, the old way networks worked allowed users to upload copyrighted content (such as games from companies that have explicitly said no to monetizing video that contains footage of their games) and bypass the checks. The only thing this does is make it so that some videos will be checked just like how all other videos are being checked.

It's just that partners no longer gets special treatment and have to go through the same process everyone else has. If they are scared that their videos might not be eligible for monetization then maybe they shouldn't have been allowed to upload the videos before either.

 

Oh and just to be clear, I don't think uploading video game footage should be against the TOS, but YouTube does have a responsibility to make sure no copyrighted material gets uploaded, and so far they have been slacking in that regard. Don't blame YouTube, blame the game developers and publishers for not allowing footage to be uploaded. And no, Let's Plays do not fall under fair use, just like uploading a full movie with you doing some commentary over it does not qualify as fair use.

 

Oh and the people that go "YouTube just cares about money" are just hilarious. That "TechReviewUSA" or whatever his name is said something like that (I think it was him at least) and it's hilarious because the only reason he is upset is because he can't make as much money from sitting on his ass playing video games.

"Baww YouTube only cares about money! I am really upset because I can't make as much money anymore". Such hypocrisy.

Its not a matter of the money anymore, the content id system is marking these videos because they contain a glimpse of a trailer or some background music of a game that their reviewing and their video that took them several hours and planning and effort are being taken from them. And i said most of the videos fall under fair use because most of the videos are game reviews that are flagged for 10-15 seconds of a trailer. Its also not a matter of whether they're allowed to monetize the video, its the several days it'll take for their video to actually be reviewed and allowed to monetize. Its easy to say that if a channel has a subscriber base, most of their views are shortly after a video is uploaded, which in this case may not even be monetized.

 

Don't like YouTube get off of it, pretty simple solution. The moment many go off to another site YouTube will change or die.

People don't want to see YouTube die. The gaming community is going to continue fighting this because its easier to fight whats happening than to rally the cash, resources and man power to create a new site. YouTube is convenient, and already has a large user base, and more importantly its already there.

 

[Mooshi]

There are game publishers that are openly supporting Youtubers such as Blizzard, Capcom and Ubisoft:

 

 

>Capcom

 

LOL, Capcom is going to end up flaking like they always do.

[Mooshi]

To him and many others that was his real job.. Youtubers put a shit ton of hours in to producing content daily for us to watch, just because its not a job working at mcdonalds or working at walmart doesnt make it a unreal job

 

I do get the reasoning, though. He isn't making anything, he's exploiting someone elses's creation for his own gain. It wouldn't bother me one bit if Google puts an end to the free ride. In the case of PewDiePie, it's like the Paris Hilton effect. Famous for nothing and this bothers a lot of people who went to college for years and having to work those crap jobs sometimes while someone sitting on their ass playing vidya games are raking in the cash. The concept of this just 10 years ago would have been seen as a bad joke.

[IdeaStormer]

People don't want to see YouTube die. The gaming community is going to continue fighting this because its easier to fight whats happening than to rally the cash, resources and man power to create a new site. YouTube is convenient, and already has a large user base, and more importantly its already there.

 

Sites come and go its the way of the internet and the only way change will take place, otherwise whine away.

[brownninja97]

Lets be honest, youtube need to get their fucking shit together, name one prick which is happy about it. NO ONE, the devs dont even like it so wtf.

[EzikialX11]

Well we Know that MR PEWDIPIE Banks about 240k a month just in Adds Rev alone.. Im not sure what his TAX is or that but lets just say.. I am sure he makes more than most doctors.
he has 17million subs or something and his videos get like 5million hits a day its just insane.
and all he does all day.. as said. talks about raping cats. swearing in English and Swedish. and play games
I mean respect for the guy.. for giving out donations and stuff, sure but that is all a Marketing front anyway.
that's what most big earners do. they give the money out or invest it in a private yacht.

how do I know this? well I do it. but my job is to take care of thousands, of people if I mess up they go without money.
but to sit at home on a computer playing games and commenting? and making that kind of money is unreal.
but this isn't a rant about him! its about how the world  in general works
We pay footballers. I mean soccer players 250k a week
big bank boss screws up the world, trade. what do they get Million bonus and no jail time
but at least with them you can kind of understand it. I know these people put the hours in. but trust me.
They play a game. they talk behind it they edit it.. they upload it.
Now many people will say, well if its so easy you do.. well no. not everyone has the right stuff for it. he hit at the right time and good on him.. but now its time to bring all those people back down to earth for a bit of a reality Check.
I and many of us has had this Check hit hard the last few years. and I am one of the lucky the

 

I have a kid in my officer who finished his studies with a great marks. he makes nothing. is it Fair no? does it happen yes?

will this change anything probable not.

 

if you are making a game! and pushing it out there for all to see or you have your own show.. then awesome major respect. but taking a company game. playing it online.. talking about what you are doing.. and making a living.. No not just a living.. Making Big money. more than the average. its not right

[MzCatieB]

Bah who needs youtube, im gonna create my own video streaming media site.

[Snickerzz]

I do get the reasoning, though. He isn't making anything, he's exploiting someone elses's creation for his own gain. It wouldn't bother me one bit if Google puts an end to the free ride. In the case of PewDiePie, it's like the Paris Hilton effect. Famous for nothing and this bothers a lot of people who went to college for years and having to work those crap jobs sometimes while someone sitting on their ass playing vidya games are raking in the cash. The concept of this just 10 years ago would have been seen as a bad joke.

people watch him for his reactions, its not my fault human minds are so easily amused and hes practically advertising the games hes playing, ive bought numerous games ive seen youtubers playing because i thought they looks fun 

[Mooshi]

people watch him for his reactions, its not my fault human minds are so easily amused and hes practically advertising the games hes playing, ive bought numerous games ive seen youtubers playing because i thought they looks fun 

 

I also enjoying watching LP videos, but I would never in good conscience believe they should make more revenue than someone like a teacher. Seems bizarre.

[Snickerzz]

I also enjoying watching LP videos, but I would never in good conscience believe they should make more revenue than someone like a teacher. Seems bizarre.

seems bizarre that movie actors make more than doctors but it happens

[Mooshi]

seems bizarre that movie actors make more than doctors but it happens

 

A lot of things in the entertainment business does seem out of place, indeed. S:

[Snickerzz]

A lot of things in the entertainment business does seem out of place, indeed. S:

-hides in cave- S:

[dalekphalm]

To all the "nay-sayers" who believe that those youtubers don't deserve to get paid for "playing games all day", you're either naive, or jealous and just lashing out. I hope it's the former, not the latter.

 

First off: People do NOT watch LP's just for the game. They watch it for the personality, and also to a lesser extent the effort/production value. Why? Because there are a thousand other guys out there all playing the same game. People like PewdiePie, while many of us don't like him, he's insanely popular. Millions of people love watching him, and will watch him play just about anything.

 

As an example, he got something like 5 million views for using a search engine. It's a cult of personality. As with any entertainment medium, personality is key to success. If you don't have one, you won't succeed.

 

Second: The amount of effort put into any successful youtube channel is staggering. It really seems like many of you have simply no idea what does into the creation of these videos. It's not as simple as playing a game while recording, and bam you're done. Most successful youtubers put in 60 to 80 hours per week, which is quite a bit more than your average working class person, who puts in 40 hours. There is tons of planning involved, LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of editing, rendering/exporting, and uploading. Most of their day is spent preparing or post-producing their gameplay/video content.

 

So, the fact that some of you believe that they shouldn't be PAID for their hard work is astonishing. Even when you have explicitly said that you watch LP'ers sometimes. The content for us is FREE. They aren't asking you to fork out a bunch of cash to watch. But they SHOULD be compensated for their hard work.

 

The very nature of video games is transformative. What that means is that two different LP's of the same game will be different. Not everyone will play the game in the same manner, plus you'll get different and unique (and hopefully) interesting commentary for each LP'er doing it. This means that LP's do in fact fall under the fair use claim of US Law, because the work is transformative in nature (Especially with multiplayer, but even with single player).

 

LP's (And other content such as Reviews or Overviews ala Angry Joe and Total Biscuit) are great for developers. IT'S FREE ADVERTISING!

 

If you decided not to buy a game because you watched someone do an LP of it instead, then either:

1. the game wasn't that good to begin with, or

2. you were never going to buy it anyway.

 

The experience of watching a game being played by someone else and actually physically playing the game are so completely different, that you cannot equate them. If it was a visual novel, maybe, but a visual novel isn't a game, at least not in the traditional sense anyway.

 

I can see someone play Deus Ex Human Revolution for example, and think, "MAN that looks fun!" Then I go out and actually play it and I think "WOW THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THEN WATCHING IT!" Personally I have bought many games after watching an LP or watching a Total Biscuit "WTF is..."

 

As for those who think that LP'ers like PewdiePie make too much money. Maybe they do? But they are also the 1%. Most average successful youtubers do NOT make a lot of money. They might make a decent living wage, or they live pay cheque to pay cheque, which, coincidentally, means that a content ID flag could jeopardize them paying the bills, etc. You say "get a real job", well, do you like watching their videos, or Total Biscuits, or Angry Joe's? If they get a real job, then they won't make videos, or the videos will either be way less quality, or way less often. If you want regular - free - content, then they need to earn ad revenue.

 

Someone suggested a tip-donation type service. Well, that person that suggested might tip, but most people assuredly would not. The vast majority of viewers would not. And why should they, when an ad-revenue based system DOES work? Plus, I regularly watch 20+ youtube channels that I'm subscribed to. I couldn't afford to tip all of them on a recurring weekly or monthly basis. I'd have to pick and choose which ones got my money, even when I believe them all worthy.

 

Anyway, I firmly believe this is bad for everyone. Yes, something needs to be done to stop the illegitimate users from breaking copyright law, but this is not the right way to do it. It's going to end up harming way too many legit content creators.

 

/end of rant

[Hazy125]

This doesn't really affect me, I have 3 channels and I had around 30 videos flagged across two of them but even though I could make enough money through YouTube to buy small things like food for example, I don't monetise my content. It's not really worth it for smaller channels. If my channels do grow, which isn't going to happen and I have no illusions that it ever will, then I'll take the approach of embedding the videos on my site. Sure, YouTube can deny profits on their site but I could monetise the hell out of anyone who goes to my site. All you need to push a few people is to upload 720p to YouTube and 1440p to the site.

 

Ok, so that's enough about me and how it doesn't affect me at all.... There have been a lot of threads about this all over the internet, but the people who are currently suffering the most by losing revenue from their videos that get 50,000 hits are still going to keep using YouTube. That's just how it is, they can kick and scream and make bold, annoying and rash statements all they like but you will notice that they are still making videos. So, does this really end up affecting anyone? Not really, you will see more of those paid subscription things I feel, but it doesn't really affect anything too much

[xWhiip]

The only way to stop this bullshit is to take on the streets and riot, or stop using youtube (which is never going to happen)

Kinda pathetic how people think youtube is the biggest problem right now, while innocent kids in Syria are gassed to death...

I hope you realize that we're on a tech forum, and that you won't find news about Syria gassing on here, at least not in this section. I know it's important to focus on Syria, especially with all the bad stuff happening there, but expecting people to talk about Syria gassing instead of YouTube on a tech forum is just stupid.

[TeKNiQue]

To all the "nay-sayers" who believe that those youtubers don't deserve to get paid for "playing games all day", you're either naive, or jealous and just lashing out. I hope it's the former, not the latter.

First off: People do NOT watch LP's just for the game. They watch it for the personality, and also to a lesser extent the effort/production value. Why? Because there are a thousand other guys out there all playing the same game. People like PewdiePie, while many of us don't like him, he's insanely popular. Millions of people love watching him, and will watch him play just about anything.

As an example, he got something like 5 million views for using a search engine. It's a cult of personality. As with any entertainment medium, personality is key to success. If you don't have one, you won't succeed.

Second: The amount of effort put into any successful youtube channel is staggering. It really seems like many of you have simply no idea what does into the creation of these videos. It's not as simple as playing a game while recording, and bam you're done. Most successful youtubers put in 60 to 80 hours per week, which is quite a bit more than your average working class person, who puts in 40 hours. There is tons of planning involved, LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of editing, rendering/exporting, and uploading. Most of their day is spent preparing or post-producing their gameplay/video content.

So, the fact that some of you believe that they shouldn't be PAID for their hard work is astonishing. Even when you have explicitly said that you watch LP'ers sometimes. The content for us is FREE. They aren't asking you to fork out a bunch of cash to watch. But they SHOULD be compensated for their hard work.

The very nature of video games is transformative. What that means is that two different LP's of the same game will be different. Not everyone will play the game in the same manner, plus you'll get different and unique (and hopefully) interesting commentary for each LP'er doing it. This means that LP's do in fact fall under the fair use claim of US Law, because the work is transformative in nature (Especially with multiplayer, but even with single player).

LP's (And other content such as Reviews or Overviews ala Angry Joe and Total Biscuit) are great for developers. IT'S FREE ADVERTISING!

If you decided not to buy a game because you watched someone do an LP of it instead, then either:

1. the game wasn't that good to begin with, or

2. you were never going to buy it anyway.

The experience of watching a game being played by someone else and actually physically playing the game are so completely different, that you cannot equate them. If it was a visual novel, maybe, but a visual novel isn't a game, at least not in the traditional sense anyway.

I can see someone play Deus Ex Human Revolution for example, and think, "MAN that looks fun!" Then I go out and actually play it and I think "WOW THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THEN WATCHING IT!" Personally I have bought many games after watching an LP or watching a Total Biscuit "WTF is..."

As for those who think that LP'ers like PewdiePie make too much money. Maybe they do? But they are also the 1%. Most average successful youtubers do NOT make a lot of money. They might make a decent living wage, or they live pay cheque to pay cheque, which, coincidentally, means that a content ID flag could jeopardize them paying the bills, etc. You say "get a real job", well, do you like watching their videos, or Total Biscuits, or Angry Joe's? If they get a real job, then they won't make videos, or the videos will either be way less quality, or way less often. If you want regular - free - content, then they need to earn ad revenue.

Someone suggested a tip-donation type service. Well, that person that suggested might tip, but most people assuredly would not. The vast majority of viewers would not. And why should they, when an ad-revenue based system DOES work? Plus, I regularly watch 20+ youtube channels that I'm subscribed to. I couldn't afford to tip all of them on a recurring weekly or monthly basis. I'd have to pick and choose which ones got my money, even when I believe them all worthy.

Anyway, I firmly believe this is bad for everyone. Yes, something needs to be done to stop the illegitimate users from breaking copyright law, but this is not the right way to do it. It's going to end up harming way too many legit content creators.

/end of rant

Very well said sir.

[ManOfDisguise]

I just think its stupid that games...from last gen, even last last gen, that last like 10-30 seconds are getting these claims. Like a MW 2 LOBBY video, not even gameplay. WTF! Half of my school is in a riot over this... (Yeah i come from a small school of 550)

550 isnt a "small" amount of students. the school im in has 150 total

[fojacko]

The main issue with the system, is that videos are getting claimed by companies that doesn't even own the game/movie/music/etc. Many companies have stated that they haven't put out claims on videos that have been claimed. I think, once they fix false ID claims and allow for monetization to be instant if they have written permission (Nerd cubed said the new system could take up to 3 days to get a video monetized). Then it SHOULD make everyone happy.

[alanyhs]

:mellow:

[MagnetSh0CK]

550 isnt a "small" amount of students. the school im in has 150 total

Well the schools next to me have 2500, 1700, and 3000 so we're small. Plus there are cornfields 5 miles up to and around my school. Welcome to the Grove...

[rashdanml]

It's free advertising is a double-edged sword tbh. While some people will buy a game after watching LP's, the rest won't bother, even if the game is worth buying and experiencing yourself. The latter case can be far more damaging for the developer.