i7 8700, i7 7700k, Ryzen 7 1700 or 1700x for productivity?

[Stefan Payne]

28 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Are you for real?

Check the links I've posted!

 

Here another one, might need translator:

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-01/intel-cpu-pti-sicherheitsluecke/

[Princess Luna]

25 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Check the links I've posted!

 

Here another one, might need translator:

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-01/intel-cpu-pti-sicherheitsluecke/

Ich wurde in Hamburg geboren, either ways sorry I don't really concern myself with it.

[Kaita]

39 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Because its Intel?
Or why do you think its not true?!

With AMD everybody would jump on this shit...

 

Because its Intel or what do you mean?!
Again we are talking about code excecution in the Kernelspace without the rights!

 

The Article about this stuff is behind a paywall right now...

Calm down. The article you posted states that Microsoft is already working on a fix. It'll be fine.

[Stefan Payne]

25 minutes ago, Kaita said:

Calm down. The article you posted states that Microsoft is already working on a fix. It'll be fine.

...wich will cost performance, from wich we don't know how much...

Could be 5%, could be 50%...

 

And with that it could be that the AMD Ryzen 1700(x) is faster than the i7-8k7 because of the performance the fix costs...

 

Are you comfortable recommending the Intel CHip when its possible that it can lose 10% of its performance??

Just think about how much the Bulldozer and Phenom I fix cost...

 

 

[putu_aditya14]

12 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

My point is, if you buy an i7 8700 you will have something that will remain ahead or at least on pair with a Ryzen 2, so you buying a Ryzen now is having less performance for 2 years for then buy something that will even up with what you could have had for the past 2 years already, if you're keen to be in bleeding edge then by this time you can already move on to a new Intel platform and again stay quite ahead of Ryzen 2.

 

Price wise you gonna have to spend on a new AMD CPU what you'll have to spend in a new Intel mobo all the same... costs even up.

 

So to me personally say AMD is more future proof because it'll recycle the motherboard is really just a myth, then again different views of the subject here, doesn't have to mean any one is right or wrong, depends on OP above all things.

 

Also Coffee Lake is considerable upfront in more than just games, go check Photoshop benchmarks for instance, the i7 8700 is up to 35% faster than the Ryzen 7 1700x, there's plenty of software that still favours Single Thread Performance where Intel is still king.

How about the adrenalin driver? Does it improve the ryzen's performance drastically or not?

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, putu_aditya14 said:

How about the adrenalin driver? Does it improve the ryzen's performance drastically or not?

Don't know if it is tested, haven't seen a test but wasn't looking either.

And don't forget the Bug they found...

That should keep you away from Intel until all details are released. And fixes implemented.

Because it can/will affect the Performance dramatically!

See link below

10 hours ago, Kaita said:

Calm down. The article you posted states that Microsoft is already working on a fix. It'll be fine.

Still think I should 'calm down'??
Or do you agree that it is some serious shit?!

 

[Princess Luna]

5 hours ago, putu_aditya14 said:

How about the adrenalin driver? Does it improve the ryzen's performance drastically or not?

that is for video cards, also don't mind that user, for real that cheap sensationalism.

[Guest]

All talks aside for productivity a 1700 would be the best option OC that thing to 3.7ghz on the stock heatsink and get a decent X370 board like the  Asrock Taichi. If this included gaming as well i'd say get the 8700 and overall i'd slightly still say its a toss up between the 2 with the 1700 when OC slightly edging the 8700 out in productivity. 

 

 

I rate this as somewhat off topic and yes people would be losing their $hit if this was Amd and not Intel.  

 

This Intel security flaw yes its real yes it will lower performance but to say how much on windows we don't know yet. 

 

This seems to be a major issue something Intel hasn't really had to deal with since the Pentium bug. Phenom had issues but that was one generation same with Ryzen early production line in linux with segmentation faults. 

 

Things happen but to have an issue that has affected 10 years worth of processors seems a bit much. 

[johnukguy]

Definitely a Ryzen based system. Intel CPU's are about to lose some of their performance advantage, so even the high end, latest gen Intel CPU's are no longer an attractive proposition in terms of cost to performance over a Ryzen based system, especially for productivity. Plus, the new Ryzen CPU's are being announced in about a week or so.

[Kaita]

5 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

-snip-

I actually looked at the post from sysadmin and that quite surprised me. Wonder how this will turn out. Thanks for the information though.

[Princess Luna]

16 minutes ago, johnukguy said:

Definitely a Ryzen based system. Intel CPU's are about to lose some of their performance advantage, so even the high end, latest gen Intel CPU's are no longer an attractive proposition in terms of cost to performance over a Ryzen based system, especially for productivity. Plus, the new Ryzen CPU's are being announced in about a week or so.

Are you aware that the patch is coming to the OS not the the CPU itself so whatever performance decrease we're having happens on AMD just the same? the kernel base software level has to be alter as a whole, Windows doesn't have a Windows AMD Version and Windows Intel Version meaning both will have performance hit, regardless of what happens Intel stays ahead as much trolling as it is.

 

Then again the whole performance loses only happened in Linux because that platform hardly gets support in the first place people were only after fixing the issue, to Windows more realistically speaking there will be a much smaller performance hit that after further patching might be gone altogether.

[johnukguy]

16 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Are you aware that the patch is coming to the OS not the the CPU itself so whatever performance decrease we're having happens on AMD just the same? 

 

Then again the whole performance loses only happened in Linux because that platform hardly gets support in the first place people were only after fixing the issue, to Windows more realistically speaking there will be a much smaller performance hit that after further patching might be gone altogether.

AMD have released a patch that prevents their CPU's being borked, as it's an Intel only problem, at the moment at least. So the performance loss only affects Intel CPU's.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/12/27/2

Initial testing that I'm seeing from sites such as The Register, is showing a best case hit of around %17:

 

[Stefan Payne]

25 minutes ago, Kaita said:

I actually looked at the post from sysadmin and that quite surprised me. Wonder how this will turn out. Thanks for the information though.

No problem mate.

 

22 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Are you aware that the patch is coming to the OS not the the CPU itself so whatever performance decrease we're having happens on AMD just the same? the kernel base software level has to be alter as a whole, Windows doesn't have a Windows AMD Version and Windows Intel Version meaning both will have performance hit, regardless of what happens Intel stays ahead as much trolling as it is.

 

Then again the whole performance loses only happened in Linux because that platform hardly gets support in the first place people were only after fixing the issue, to Windows more realistically speaking there will be a much smaller performance hit that after further patching might be gone altogether.

Read up on this issue. 

Right now you are downplaying the issue and you have absolutely NO CLUE what's going on!!
 

Again:
Without the fix, you can access the Kernel space from the User space.-

It can't get any worse than that!

Since you understand German, read that:

https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=11592622&postcount=53

 

When the Linux Kernel programmer are working on something and are backporting that fix to all previous kernels, then you know that shit hit the fan. 

 

Sorry, but read up on that shit.

 

 

Also AMD already announced that it isn't an issue for them, because their branch prediction isn't as far fetched as the Intel one and designed so that this might not happen.

[Stefan Payne]

18 minutes ago, johnukguy said:

it's an Intel only problem, at the moment at least. 

Not entirely.

Seems that this fix will also be released for ARM

[johnukguy]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Not entirely.

Seems that this fix will also be released for ARM

It only affects Intel CPU's but they're being lazy and just pushing out a fix that affects all CPU's. Fortunately AMD have released their own patch that disables the gimping that the other patch does.