Ryzen 7 1700 idle and load temperature

[Kir_]

Hello,

 

I just installed a Ryzen 7 1700 with the Wraith Cooler on a Asus Crosshair VI Hero and I was a bit surprised by the temperatures. With an open case, I get 41°C on idle, which seems a bit high?

When overclocking to 3.8GHz at 1.25v the temperature exceeds 83°C at full load in a closed case with case fans on maximum. This temperatures seem a bit high, especially when comparing to this list, although you can't tell what cooler people are using. It still seems a bit high, considering the relatively low voltage. <65° seems to be pretty common. Can a better cooler make that much of a difference or did I just get a bad chip? I have already reseated the cooler and also replaced the thermal paste with Artic Silver 5, but that didn't help.

[TheLaserCucumber]

The wraith cooler is really sufficient for the Ryzen 7, these temperatures are way too high!

Did you screw it in to the point were it can't go any further?

 

But, dumb question, have you plugged in the fan cable? This happened to me before

[Kir_]

I did screw it in until it wouldn't go any further. 

 

Haha, yeah. I did plug in the fan cable and the cooler is very audibly spinning at full load.

[Sfekke]

Overclocking with the stock wraith cooler isn't something anyone recommends, neither do I.

Try running the chip without overclocks dialed in & if they drop to respectable temperatures (Idle about 10 C° higher then ambient and load with a max of 70C°)

Then get a new cooler. A beefy air cooler is a lot of the times better then an AIO liquid coolers.

 

 

Hopefully this helped somewhat   

[johndms]

What software are you using to measure temperatures?

[Kir_]

31 minutes ago, Sfekke said:

(Idle about 10 C° higher then ambient and load with a max of 70C°)

I can't measure the room temp, but it's winter and probably nowhere close to 31°C. Isn't 70°C for stock really high?

 

10 minutes ago, johndms said:

What software are you using to measure temperatures?

I'm using HWMonitor. Also tried HWInfo. Temps were the same.

 

And yeah, I'm thankful for any input!

[johndms]

5 minutes ago, Kir_ said:

I'm using HWMonitor. Also tried HWInfo. Temps were the same.

If your system is truly idle, you should be sitting in the low-30s. Assuming your room isn't a furnace. Package Temperature in HWMonitor will be the line to focus on.

 

If you're using Ryzen Master, you should close it before taking idle temperatures. Ryzen Master tends to use about 10% CPU on my system preventing idle.

 

If that's not the problem, open msconfig (Start Menu - Run) and temporarily disable everything in startup. Disable any unnecessary, non-Microsoft services and reboot. What I'm aiming for is a completely idle system. Many complain of high idle temperatures while some background process is being an ass.

 

However, coupled with your high maximum temperatures at such a low voltage, I'm wondering if the cooler was installed incorrectly, somehow. The stock Wraith Spire is a damn good cooler and should be able to handle 1.35v before temperatures become too high. It's generally recommended not to exceed 80c during a stress test like Aida64 (stressing CPU/FPU/Cache). At 1.25v, 65c even seems high.

[johndms]

Maybe a more aggressive CPU fan curve option in the bios.

[Sfekke]

7 hours ago, Kir_ said:

I can't measure the room temp, but it's winter and probably nowhere close to 31°C. Isn't 70°C for stock really high?

 

I'm using HWMonitor. Also tried HWInfo. Temps were the same.

 

And yeah, I'm thankful for any input!

70C° stock is the absolute maximum, but under synthetic load with a stock cooler not "extreme". (Do avoid it if possible)

Like @johndms said, you can try an more aggressive fan curve (I'd suggest even on the chassis fans). It'll be louder though.

[Kir_]

Alright, I have done a bunch of testing, took me quite some time.

First, I reset my bios settings. The case fans were always running at max. I have a Nanoxia Deep Silence 3 case with 3 x 120 mm (max. 1300 RPM). Two in the front and one in the back.

I disabled everything in the startup tab in the task manager and would let the PC just sit there for a few minutes with 0% (sometimes spikes to 1%) CPU activity. After that I did the AIDA64 system stability test. I did notice something weird, as I was unable to recreate the 41°C on idle at first. Here are my results.

 

Stock Clocks, 1.25v (auto)

Idle: 32°C, 1282RPM (CPU fan)

Load: 61°C, 1880 RPM

 

@3.7GHz, 1.18v

Idle: 36°C, 1331 RPM

Load: 71°C, 2626 RPM

 

After this I reinstalled the cooler again and used a little less thermal paste since it seemed like I used a bit too much. The temperatures on idle dropped from 32°C to 30°C at stock and from 36°C to 33°C @3.7GHz. At load they dropped from 61 to 59°C at stock and from 71 to 69°C @3.7GHz.

 

Temps seem a lot better, right? Still higher than what some other people report and my PC is anything but silent with every fan running at max at this point.

This is when I set my RAM to run with 2996 instead of 2133 and suddenly all my temps increased.

 

Stock

*Either forgot to measure or misplaced. Can't redo right now*

 

@3.7GHz, 1.18v

Idle: 41°C, 1445 RPM

Load: 79°, 2596 RPM (AIDA test failed too after 5 minutes with Warning: Hardware failure detected)

 

I don't know what to think. It's a bit underwhelming. When you google temperatures for the 1700 OC the first result is this, which at this point sounds like it's too good to be true (51C peak @3.7GHz 1.3v) or I just got unlucky. 

<rant>3.7Ghz just seems to be the guaranteed OC for most people and I kind of doubt they do this at 80°C+ and a machine that sounds like a turbine.</rant>

 

 

Edited December 25, 2017 by Kir_
Silly rant

[johndms]

15 hours ago, Kir_ said:

Stock Clocks, 1.25v (auto)

Idle: 32°C, 1282RPM (CPU fan)

Load: 61°C, 1880 RPM

 

@3.7GHz, 1.18v

Idle: 36°C, 1331 RPM

Load: 71°C, 2626 RPM

Ignoring the issue with ram increasing cpu temperature. I don't understand why you increased the frequency and lowered the voltage. Or is that just 'Auto' voltage reading from within HWMonitor? You're going to need more voltage to do higher frequencies. That said, I wouldn't increase your voltage UNTIL you can get the CPU temperatures straightened out. At 1.2 core voltage, you shouldn't be touching 60c.

 

CPU Core Voltage is directly tied to CPU Package Temperature. All things equal, if 1.25v = 61c, it's not possible for 1.18v to = 71c.

 

Pea Method or Cooked Grain of Rice.

[Kir_]

When I reset my bios settings, the CPU voltage was set to auto. I only noticed this once in Windows. I checked in hwmonitor what it was set to and it said 1.25. When I then went on to test the OC I figured it can't hurt to lower the voltage since I remembered that it runs stable at a lower voltage. My bad, I'll try again once I'm back home and set a fixed manual voltage to better compare.

 

If it's not possible for the temps to be so different I really hope I just messed something up.

 

Yeah, that is about how much I added. I watched tutorials before the last time just to make sure and was extra careful when installing the cooler again.

 

Thanks for the help.

[Kir_]

Alright, I rerun the tests. This time I manually set the voltage to 1.18 for all tests and set the CPU fan to always run at max. RAM was not fiddled with and ran at 2133MHz.

 

At 3.2GHz 1.18v (according to HWMonitor max voltage was 1.175 and lowest was 1.119v) the temperature after 10 minutes of AIDA system stability test went up to 68°C and stayed there.

At 3.7GHz 1.18v (according to HWMonitor max voltage was 1.175 and lowest was 1.112v) the temperature after 10 minutes of AIDA system stability test went up to 72°C and stayed there.

 

I guess these results make more sense, although they aren't very positive. I've done this multiple times to make sure there are no weird results like last time and the results where always within +/- 1°C.

[RedBeard36]

Ive got a similar question.  I am running a ryzen 7 1700 cpu with asus crosshair hero 6.   I have a pretty beefy cooler, and my idle temp currently 92 C.  This is IDLE! wtf.  I have a Thermaltake tower 900 case thats aircooled.   I thought maybe I wasnt getting good air circulation so I installed all my stuff in a server case I had sitting around its sealed loaded with fans, and good flow, and still after all that I got my temps to do to 92 C  2 to 5 degrees lower that what i was.  From the bios menu it says im at a flat 100...  Why is this system running so hot.   Its been running warm for a while, and I have been saving money to put in a open loop water cooling system, but im not there yet.  I was still able to use the machine, but now if i launch any game a few minutes in cpu safetys kick in and force a immediate shutdown.  Im at a loss has anyone other than the owner of this thread have this problem and what did you do to fix it?  Do i need a new board and cpu?  Also I might add i am not over clocked at all

[RedBeard36]

nevermind i read it wrong, but I am still having issues.  I read the temps wrong, but I am still having all those other problems