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Im in the process of building a NEW gaming computer. I dont really stream or anything. Mainly stick to first person shooters (Triple A games) and occasional MMO's. I cant seem to make a decision on either Intel 7700k or 1700x.. I dont like the coffee lake series requiring completely new mother board but i know that another option. Any other tips on my build in progress are greatly appreciated. Also, im not very experienced with overclocking so ill probably hold off on it, at first, but i want that ability to do so.

 

Intel i7-7700k

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C9bjf8

 

AMD R 1700x

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jpf8LD

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7700k will beat the 1700(x) in gaming. If you are going AMD, get a 1700, it overclocks to the same level.

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Just now, QuantumBit said:

7700k will beat the 1700(x) in gaming. If you are going AMD, get a 1700, it overclocks to the same level.

This,

 

You'll also be benefiting from the AM4 socket and platform lasting for a few years, pretty sure LGA 1151/Z370 is getting killed off after Coffee Lake

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For pure gaming performance, I would stick with Intel and go with Coffee Lake. If you're buying new then why would you go with an older platform when you can get a bit more for the same price?

 

Regardless, get a better PSU, the NEX is bad.

 

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CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  ($56.13 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($237.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  ($514.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - Carbide 400C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($744.99 @ Amazon)
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7 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

This,

 

You'll also be benefiting from the AM4 socket and platform lasting for a few years, pretty sure LGA 1151/Z370 is getting killed off after Coffee Lake

Didn't they say the same about their previous gen?

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1 minute ago, QuantumBit said:

Didn't they say the same about their previous gen?

No, Z270 got killed off with Kaby Lake. Even though there's no real reason to do so according to (i think) Asus or ASRock

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1 minute ago, QuantumBit said:

Didn't they say the same about their previous gen?

They actually pulled a worse one. Exactly the same socket but as a cash grab, instead of reconfiguring, they just make you buy the new ones

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Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

No, Z270 got killed off with Kaby Lake. Even though there's no real reason to do so according to (i think) Asus or ASRock

No no, I get the part, I'm talking about AMD. They supported it with new chips and I think a new socket (...?) but they werent much better.

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Just now, QuantumBit said:

No no, I get the part, I'm talking about AMD. They supported it with new chips and I think a new socket (...?) but they werent much better.

Oh sorry, I missed that. Yeah, AMD kept releasing new FX CPUs for AM3 and even AM3+, but that socket lasted all the years AMD had no competition with Intel except for budget reasons

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we are in a time where more cores will start to make a difference, it will be gradual, but now that 4 cores are offered as low end cpus you will see more cpu power being used, so i would suggest getting the ryzen cpu, the ryzen platform will also give you better upgrade paths in the future, 

(btw around February next year new ryzen cpus will be released with around 10% higher clocks, so waiting a bit could also be a good choice )

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17 minutes ago, Zabzky said:

Im in the process of building a NEW gaming computer. I dont really stream or anything. Mainly stick to first person shooters (Triple A games) and occasional MMO's. I cant seem to make a decision on either Intel 7700k or 1700x.. I dont like the coffee lake series requiring completely new mother board but i know that another option. Any other tips on my build in progress are greatly appreciated. Also, im not very experienced with overclocking so ill probably hold off on it, at first, but i want that ability to do so.

 

Intel i7-7700k

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C9bjf8

 

AMD R 1700x

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jpf8LD

Don't buy a 7700k unless you plan on upgrading in the next 2-3 years. Quad core chips are on the way out. The hypertheading helps it mainting it's strong gaming status now, but it's days are numbered. I'd take the 1700 because it's cheaper, performs just fine in games today, and will most likely last a lot longer in terms of performance scaling over the next 3-5 years.

 

However the best option would be the 8700k or even the 8700 non k. That would allow you to have the longevity of the Ryzen 7 1700 (or pretty close) with the gaming performance for today of the 7700k. Great chips.

 

Keep in mind that if you're not overclocking the 1700, it will really really struggle today in games due to it's very low base clock. In my opinion, if you're planning on overclocking some day, why not just start when you get it!

 

The best value by FAR of any of these chips is the Ryzen 7 1700 on a lower end X370 board around the $150 range, using the stock cooler to overclock to 3.7ghz on stock voltages. For around $425 with boxing day deals, you're getting an amazing amount of performance. In multi-core applications (where I believe gaming is going) the 3.7ghz 1700 is equal to the 8700k at 4.8ghz. The 8700k costs $425 by it's self, then you would need a big air cooler or 280mm liquid cooler for around $100, then at least a mid range Z370 board for around $175 with boxing day sales. You're paying a massive premium for the extra single threaded performance.

 

TL;DR: I wouldn't even look at the 7700k. If you're building a system for the next 3-5 years, you should be skipping Kaby Lake and looking at either Ryzen or Coffee Lake. Go Ryzen 7 1700 with a $150 motherboard, and the stock cooler and OC it to 3.7ghz for the best value; or an 8700k with a 280mm liquid cooler or a dual tower cooler, and a $175-$200 Z370 motherboard for the premium experience.

Main System: EVGA GTX 1080 SC, i7 8700, 16GB DDR4 Corsair LPX 3000mhz CL15, Asus Z370 Prime A, Noctua NH D15, EVGA GQ 650W, Fractal Design Define R5, 2TB Seagate Barracuda, 500gb Samsung 850 Evo
Secondary System: EVGA GTX 780ti SC, i5 3570k @ 4.5ghz, 16gb DDR3 1600mhz, MSI Z77 G43, Noctua NH D15, EVGA GQ 650W, Fractal Design Define R4, 3TB WD Caviar Blue, 250gb Samsung 850 Evo
 
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21 minutes ago, Lurick said:

For pure gaming performance, I would stick with Intel and go with Coffee Lake. If you're buying new then why would you go with an older platform when you can get a bit more for the same price?

 

Regardless, get a better PSU, the NEX is bad.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($295.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  ($56.13 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($237.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  ($514.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - Carbide 400C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($744.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2512.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-22 17:52 EST-0500

Cut the extra 16GB of RAM, get an 8700k, and upgrade to a Noctua NH D15. The 8600k isn't anymore future capable than the 7700k. I'd be really nervous buying a 6 thread chip right now. If someone wanted to save money I'd just get an 8400, and upgrade to an 8700k in a few years when they're cheap.

Main System: EVGA GTX 1080 SC, i7 8700, 16GB DDR4 Corsair LPX 3000mhz CL15, Asus Z370 Prime A, Noctua NH D15, EVGA GQ 650W, Fractal Design Define R5, 2TB Seagate Barracuda, 500gb Samsung 850 Evo
Secondary System: EVGA GTX 780ti SC, i5 3570k @ 4.5ghz, 16gb DDR3 1600mhz, MSI Z77 G43, Noctua NH D15, EVGA GQ 650W, Fractal Design Define R4, 3TB WD Caviar Blue, 250gb Samsung 850 Evo
 
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15 hours ago, QuantumBit said:

7700k will beat the 1700(x) in gaming. If you are going AMD, get a 1700, it overclocks to the same level.

You cant OC a 1700 with the Wraith Spire, you would need a Wraith Max (OEM) or an aftermarket decent cooler or AIO.

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