Intel 7820x VS Ryzen 1800x

[GreySha]

Hello, as the title says its about the Intel 7820x and the ryzen 1800x. Iam thinking of buying one of those CPUS and a motherboard going with it. Now my question is what would be better for Livestreaming and Gaming in 1080p60fps or at last 720p60fps? ive seen quite a few videos about the 2 cpus in comparison to each other while gaming and streaming but they never specify what settings they use for testing or anything, just "oh streaming on high" or "recording and streaming in good quality" but i want some Hard and nice facts, i want numbers and such stuff. Right now i have a 6600k from intel with 16 GB of corsair vengance Ram, some hard drives and a SSD and a GTX 970 by MSI. At the moment iam Livestreaming Destiny 2, BARELY in 720p30fps, the game alone already eats up 85-100% of my cpu Power so when iam streaming in 60fps and alot of stuff is happening the frames drop quite violently EVEN if iam not encoding with my CPU! it still eats away all my cpu peformance, i gave up compleatly at trying to Encode on my CPU cause thats no where close to being possible with that CPU. So i want to upgrade to a 7820X OR a Ryzen 1800X since i want to stream regulary. The price difference is already huge, (iam from Germany) the I7 7820X with a new motherboard and a new cooler would cost me around 900€~ the Ryzen 1800X with a new motherboard and cooler would cost me around 600€~ thats quite a huge price difference. So what do you guys think, wich CPU should i get? or should i maybe wait Cause intel is droping something that will crush the 1800X Price/Peformance ration? And maybe someone got experience with those CPUs and streaming, cause i would love to hear what people say about it that use it for the same stuff that i want to use it for.

[PCGuy_5960]

I'd get an 8700K (with a Z370 board) or Ryzen 7 1700 (with a B350/X370 board) instead.

 

The 8700K is good enough for 1080p streaming, but much better for gaming (compared to the 7820X) and the 1700 is an 1800X with lower clock speeds, but you can easily overclock it to 3.9-4GHz.

Edited November 15, 2017 by PCGuy_5960

[3 Lions]

You may just want to step up to the 6700K or 7700K (requires motherboard BIOS update). 

[GreySha]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

I'd get an 8700K (with a Z370 board) or Ryzen 7 1700 (with a B350/Z370 board) instead

why would that be better? specialy for streaming and gameing?

[Damascus]

1700 wins for streaming price/performance

[GreySha]

Just now, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

You may just want to step up to the 6700K or 7700K (requires motherboard BIOS update). 

I overclocked my 6600K to like 4.6 GHZ so i dont think a 6700k would be much more peformance, same for the 7700k since i think the more cores make a lot of diference. Since as far ive seen destiny 2 uses all my cores for around 90-100% while JUST gameing.

[Max_Settings]

8700K is what I would go wtih. Overclocked it is about 3% slower than an 1800X in most applications, and the 1800X comes no where close in gaming.

[Damascus]

2 minutes ago, GreySha said:

I overclocked my 6600K to like 4.6 GHZ so i dont think a 6700k would be much more peformance, same for the 7700k since i think the more cores make a lot of diference. Since as far ive seen destiny 2 uses all my cores for around 90-100% while JUST gameing.

Doubling the Logical cores will help massively, almost anything is an upgrade over a 6600K while streaming.

[GreySha]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

8700K is what I would go wtih. Overclocked it is about 3% slower than an 1800X in most applications, and the 1800X comes no where close in gaming.

the question is if the missing 2 cores from the 1800X makes a difference while streaming.

[GreySha]

3 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Doubling the Logical cores will help massively, almost anything is an upgrade over a 6600K while streaming.

would it be enough for 1080p60fps streaming is the question.

[Damascus]

10 minutes ago, GreySha said:

the question is if the missing 2 cores from the 1800X makes a difference while streaming.

It does, but the 8700K's IPC and high clockspeeds make them about equal.  Heres a little chart of best streaming stuff

 

Tier 1

2 system setup with an 8700k/8600K/7700K in one and another CPU (your 6600K would work) capturing and streaming it.

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1950X is baller, what else can I say?  the insane corecount allows for 0 drop streaming.  The 1700 will also come very close to 0 dropped frames

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7900X or better, again corecount + clocks do very well here

 

1700/1700X/1800X great streamers, max price/performance

 

Tier 2

 

6900K, 5960X, 6950X Very solid, nearly as good or better than a 7900X or 7820K when overclocked

 

8700K does really well but not quite as well as all the above, ties with the 1700 (more dropped frames but has more to begin with)

 

5820K, 6800K, 6850K all solid streaming but not as good as the newer tech.

 

4790K/6700K/7700K/8600K have a lot more dropped frames, not ideal but still doable

 

Tier 3

 

4690K/6600K.7600K are a mess, massive frame dropping and not enough CPU to go arround

[GreySha]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

It does, but the 8700K's IPC and high clockspeeds make them about equal.  Heres a little chart of best streaming stuff

 

2 system setup with an 8700k/8600K/7700K in one and another CPU (your 6600K would work) capturing and streaming it.

=

1950X is baller, what else can I say?  the insane corecount allows for 0 drop streaming.  The 1700 will also come very close to 0 dropped frames

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7900X or better, again corecount + clocks do very well here

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(1700) 6900K, 5960X, 6950X Very solid, nearly as good or better than a 7900X or 7820K when overclocked

 

8700K does really well but not quite as well as all the above, ties with the 1700 (more dropped frames but has more to begin with)

 

5820K, 6800K, 6850K all solid streaming but not as good as the newer tech.

 

4790K/6700K/7700K/8600K have a lot more dropped frames, not ideal but still doable

 

4690K/6600K.7600K are a mess, massive frame dropping and not enough CPU to go arround

well i thought about a second pc for streaming, but that costs me at total way more then upgrading my actual system. the 8700k costs as much as a 7820k and way more then a 1800X the price point is also something why i would go for a 1800x in the first place, i would go for intel if i would really get more power for streaming and gaming, more then 5~10% cause i dont think 10% is worth 300 bucks.

[pas008]

17 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

8700K is what I would go wtih. Overclocked it is about 3% slower than an 1800X in most applications, and the 1800X comes no where close in gaming.

where do you come up with this number?

looks to be trading blows in almost every review i've looked at like this one

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11859/the-anandtech-coffee-lake-review-8700k-and-8400-initial-numbers

[Princess Luna]

OP should retain his motherboard and just get the i7 7700k after a bios update and upgrade his GPU because a GTX 970 is not really high end by today's standards.

[GreySha]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

OP should retain his motherboard and just get the i7 7700k after a bios update and upgrade his GPU because a GTX 970 is not really high end by today's standards.

i got a Z270 already but a 7700k wouldnt even be close to being able to stream in 1080p60fps and also be watchable. 

Graphics card is fine for me, i dont want a high end gaming system, i want a system where i can reliably stream games in 1080p and 60fps whilst also playing my games with over 60fps, i can still play most games with my 970 on high/med settings and am good with that.i want to focus on upgrading my streaming experince.

Edited November 15, 2017 by GreySha

[Princess Luna]

Just now, GreySha said:

i got a Z270 already but a 7700k wouldnt even be close to being able to stream in 1080p60fps and also be watchable. 

Of course it would just go QuickSync with the iGPU route... it should be enough by all means, you should concern yourself more with graphics card make it balanced, no point in breaking the bank with an i7 7820x if you'll keep the GTX 970, also the i7 8700k does a better job over all since the x299 has gaming performance issues due to the Mesh Cache and Ryzen is simply slower... infinity fabric limitations and all that.