Should I wait for 9700K?

[orangecat]

So I might be coming into some money in a bit and i really wanna upgrade my PC soon because I'm still running Ivy bridge and it's starting to show it's age. I can't seem to find 8700K's anywhere. I know availability is short so I'm wondering if I should just skip the 8th gen CPUs and go for a 9th gen instead.

 

What do you think?

[PSUGuru]

That's like, another full year from now. The 8700s will likely be back in stock sometime in early 2018. 9th will be around 2019 or 2020 (Someone with more knowledge could correct if I am wrong.)

 

So, no. I would just either go Ryzen, or wait until the 8700s are back in stock.

[Jurrunio]

Just buy 8th gen next year when supply increases. Or maybe when Z390 mobo rolls out. Rumours say 390 support 9th gen but 370 doesnt. Who knows?

 

[orangecat]

1 minute ago, QuantumElement said:

That's like, another full year from now. The 8700s will likely be back in stock sometime in early 2018. 9th will be around 2019 or 2020 (Someone with more knowledge could correct if I am wrong.)

 

So, no. I would just either go Ryzen, or wait until the 8700s are back in stock.

But nobody knows when they will be in stock again. Could be months before availability catches up and then why not just wait until 9th gen?

[Dogsparky]

i thought intel said they were going to be increasing stock in 2018, so it will be a few months before they get more stock.

[orangecat]

Just now, Dogsparky said:

i thought intel said they were going to be increasing stock in 2018, so it will be a few months before they get more stock.

Yea but I guess we will see. If people want them bad enough the stock may not last unless intel really ups the production.

[PSUGuru]

2 minutes ago, Kilobytez95 said:

But nobody knows when they will be in stock again. Could be months before availability catches up and then why not just wait until 9th gen?

This happens with every launch. It's out of stock for a while, then a little while later it's back in stock. This is normal. 9th gen is over a year away. The 8700s will be back in stock within a couple monthes

[orangecat]

Just now, QuantumElement said:

This happens with every launch. It's out of stock for a while, then a little while later it's back in stock. This is normal. 9th gen is over a year away. The 8700s will be back in stock within a couple monthes

I hope so. I don't feel like paying 100$ over retail price right now for a chip nobody can find.

[Cyracus]

2 minutes ago, Kilobytez95 said:

But nobody knows when they will be in stock again. Could be months before availability catches up and then why not just wait until 9th gen?

early 2018 they should be in stock regularly, ryzen 2 will also be early 2018, so probably worth checking how that looks in comparison before choosing a platform, especially with intels stuff running hot like fx 9590s

[PSUGuru]

1 minute ago, Cyracus said:

especially with intels stuff running hot like fx 9590s

Oh how the tables have turned  

[orangecat]

Just now, Cyracus said:

early 2018 they should be in stock regularly, ryzen 2 will also be early 2018, so probably worth checking how that looks in comparison before choosing a platform, especially with intels stuff running hot like fx 9590s

As much as I would love to save a few bucks on an AMD system even Ryzen 2 won't be up to par with single threaded perf. I'm a gamer and a power user so I could use the extra speed. Who knows maybe AMD will surprise us and Ryzen 2 will be much better than Ryzen.

[PSUGuru]

Just now, Kilobytez95 said:

As much as I would love to save a few bucks on an AMD system even Ryzen 2 won't be up to par with single threaded perf. I'm a gamer and a power user so I could use the extra speed. Who knows maybe AMD will surprise us and Ryzen 2 will be much better than Ryzen.

Rumours are going about that Ryzen 2 will have similar IPC to Intel. And, since multiple cores are now pretty much mainstream, developers may finally use all those cores properly.

[orangecat]

Just now, QuantumElement said:

Rumours are going about that Ryzen 2 will have similar IPC to Intel. And, since multiple cores are now pretty much mainstream, developers may finally use all those cores properly.

I'm sure Ryzen 2 will be faster than Ryzen but I don't think it will be that close to intels current gen offerings. Infinity fabric (as cool as it is) still has some problems that I don't think will be ironed out for a few more generations. I would love to see where AMD takes the next Ryzen chips but I don't think they will be good enough to switch intel users over to AMD.

[PSUGuru]

Just now, Kilobytez95 said:

I'm sure Ryzen 2 will be faster than Ryzen but I don't think it will be that close to intels current gen offerings. Infinity fabric (as cool as it is) still has some problems that I don't think will be ironed out for a few more generations. I would love to see where AMD takes the next Ryzen chips but I don't think they will be good enough to switch intel users over to AMD.

Well Ryzen isn't too far behind in IPC than Intel. It won't be difficult for AMD to catch up.

[Cyracus]

2 minutes ago, Kilobytez95 said:

As much as I would love to save a few bucks on an AMD system even Ryzen 2 won't be up to par with single threaded perf. I'm a gamer and a power user so I could use the extra speed. Who knows maybe AMD will surprise us and Ryzen 2 will be much better than Ryzen.

No sense in trying to claim anything now, like I said 8700k availability is believed to be scarce until about the time ryzen 2 should be launching, I'd reckon a short wait on something like that is worth it to avoid any buyers remorse

[ARikozuM]

Completely up to you. I'm satisfied with the performance of my 4690K and 1080, so I'll likely wait to see how games do with the hexa-cores. If engines don't fully utilize six cores or it seems that they're using them to the fullest, I'll hold off for the octa-cores and just use my 4790K. If the hexa-cores pull away from my 4690K and 4790K, I'll go with the hexa-core i5 or i7 depending on board designs and average overclocks between the two. 

[TahoeDust]

23 minutes ago, QuantumElement said:

Well Ryzen isn't too far behind in IPC than Intel. It won't be difficult for AMD to catch up.

That is a crazy statement.  They have been trying to "catch up" for a looooong time.

[PSUGuru]

1 hour ago, TahoeDust said:

That is a crazy statement.  They have been trying to "catch up" for a looooong time.

Not that crazy. Almost anything is possible.

[orangecat]

23 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Completely up to you. I'm satisfied with the performance of my 4690K and 1080, so I'll likely wait to see how games do with the hexa-cores. If engines don't fully utilize six cores or it seems that they're using them to the fullest, I'll hold off for the octa-cores and just use my 4790K. If the hexa-cores pull away from my 4690K and 4790K, I'll go with the hexa-core i5 or i7 depending on board designs and average overclocks between the two. 

Well even if game engines don't use the extra threads or not it still gives you better fps because background tasks and windows can run on other threads while the game is executing. The fps gain might not be as much as if the game was actually utilizing the extra threads but it still helps. min fps will likely see a good bump.

 

21 hours ago, QuantumElement said:

Not that crazy. Almost anything is possible.

Possible and likely are two completely different things. AMD has been barely scraping by for years now and even now they really aren't making much money off Ryzen. I think they are like Haswell IPC right now and Intel is just going to throw money at their product the second AMD starts to catch up. I think they will forever be 2nd place and not as close a 2nd place as we'd all like.

[Terryv]

19 hours ago, Cyracus said:

No sense in trying to claim anything now, like I said 8700k availability is believed to be scarce until about the time ryzen 2 should be launching, I'd reckon a short wait on something like that is worth it to avoid any buyers remorse

Ryzen+ is coming in the next few months, Ryzen 2 is 2019

 

 

[Princess Luna]

I know that I am but I have a perfectly capable Skylake i7 yet

[Cyracus]

11 minutes ago, Terryv said:

Ryzen+ is coming in the next few months, Ryzen 2 is 2019

damn stupid naming schemes. whatever the ryzen refresh 

[MrTiC]

No, only Saiyans are allowed to wait for 9000 

[Mat1926]

23 hours ago, QuantumElement said:

Oh how the tables have turned  

Just the X series are hot I think. Mine all 10 cores @ 4.0 reach 90 C with Kraken X62...Hot but that's okay since all cores are utilized to the max...I am happy with my purchase...

[Jz1]

I personally think by the time intel releases their first 10nm icelake chip (9700k) the 2500k 2600k 3570k will be dead. The 8700k was a good release but when you think about it, its only a 7700k with 2 extra cores.