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Ryzen 7 clock-for-clock with Q2 2010 Intel chip

Dr. KEK
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http://hwbot.org/submission/3538306_true_monkey_superpi___1m_ryzen_7_1700x_9sec_1ms

 

http://hwbot.org/submission/2703543_pipes_superpi___1m_xeon_x5650_8sec_937ms

 

clock for clock, same superpi 1m score. if you adjust the frequency of that (0.7% difference) the scores come out the same. This is a 32nm chip...competing with 14nm finfet architecutre on a single-core level. Multithreading of course has gotten better since 2010, but not by much. 

 

What am i missing about the ryzen craze?

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It's known that Ryzen's IPC is just about Ivy to Haswell level since launch.

 

Ryzen's attractiveness comes from:

More cores that each work as well as a core should.

Overclock for the masses

Competitive prices

 

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Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Generally Ryzen has higher IPC than what SuperPI seems to indicate. I would assume SuperPI prefers Intel.

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Yeah... let's just completely ignore the fact that SuperPi is heavily dependent on ram performance, and that the Intel system is using 2000mhz C9 ram (with extremely tight tRFC) against what looks to be a fairly loose 2666 C12 DDR4 setup. All of this ignoring the triple channel advantage of that Xeon against the dual channel Ryzen chip.

 

If this is what passes as an accurate comparison of IPC, we've surely fallen off. 

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Well, its a little more complicated, I'm afraid.

 

It's not just single-task vs. multi-task, it's heavily application specific. Depending on caches, internal pipelines and function-units, one architecture might seem way better, than another. I would recommend reading the X370 vs X299 latency debate to grasp the complexity of platforms and cpu-design.

 

Long story short: Today, you should define your workload first and then look for benchmarks to compare CPUs. The best testing I've seen was done by gamers nexus, so I would go there first. Synthetics and general IPC charts aren't really representative anymore.

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The workload i am concerned with is development. Visual studio, vmware, running scripts. CFD engineering calculations.

 

And yes, i have this xeon in my 2009 motherboard that has triple channel ram. Which is why I insisted on completing a sister build for a coworker, using i7 7800x. That has quad channel.

 

I will do some benchmarks today and report back.

 

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meanwhile x58 build got NVME for program files. has cheaper ssd(mushkin reactor 240gb) for boot, and samsung evo 960 for pcie nvme. 

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