Z370 and Z390 backwards/forwards compatibility

[Draydince]

I've been considering getting a Coffee Lake setup for a while now, but one thing that has had me concerned is the future of Z370 with Z390 coming out not even a full year later.

I've been doing a lot of research if Z370 will also support Cannon lake cpu's, because I would hate to buy a z370 setup now and have it already be a dead end for upgrades.

I came across an article stating that Cannonlake will indeed be compatible with Z370. This article was made 3 days ago, but has since been taken down

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj5psGGj8nWAhUGM8AKHSp3AEYQFggoMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tweaktown.com%2Fnews%2F59260%2Fintel-z370-support-future-8th-gen-cannon-lake-cpus%2Findex.html&usg=AFQjCNEMOH5z5pSe7J_FvrKNpPEUB_DTaQ

Is there any way to see the past version of this article before it was taken down? And is there any other information floating around that indicates Z370 will indeed be forwards compatible with the next chips? 

[arnavvr]

Don't count on it. I was waiting with a 7700K and a Z270 board, and Intel screwed me over. 

[Draydince]

I know it wont be backwards compatible with Z270, but I would find it hard to believe it would only be compatible with coffee lake and nothing else. I can't think of any other board in recent times that was only compatible with one gen of cpu's. I'm mostly just asking if anyone else has seen any information regarding z370 and z390, and also if there is a way to see an article that has since been removed https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj5psGGj8nWAhUGM8AKHSp3AEYQFggoMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tweaktown.com%2Fnews%2F59260%2Fintel-z370-support-future-8th-gen-cannon-lake-cpus%2Findex.html&usg=AFQjCNEMOH5z5pSe7J_FvrKNpPEUB_DTaQ this articles headline says Cannonlake will be compatible with Z370 

[WereCat]

I wouldn't hold my breath... Intel loves to spit as many sockets as they can

[Zonther]

I'm completely guessing but I think the Z390 works with all the CPU's for the the Z370 + its 8 core 16 thread CPU. I don't think the Z370 can support more than 6 cores and 12.

[Draydince]

Is there any way to look at a websites history to see an article before it was removed? I know there's stuff like thewaybackmachine but that particule website isn't archived. 

[DocSwag]

It will probably get one more generation of CPUs, like every single other socket Intel has made in the past 6 years. So cannon Lake.

30 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

Don't count on it. I was waiting with a 7700K and a Z270 board, and Intel screwed me over. 

Intel had two generations on LGA 1151. Technically it's not really screwing you ovef.

[Draydince]

Just now, DocSwag said:

It will probably get one more generation of CPUs, like every single other socket Intel has made in the past 6 years. So cannon Lake.

Intel had two generations on LGA 1151. Technically it's not really screwing you ovef.

At the risk of joining you up on the crucifix, I actually 100% feel the same. Z170 had support up to z270, and that's been the normal for as far back as I can remember. It got 2 gens just like every other board. I don't really feel like intel are screwing anyone over, but since intel obviously rushed the release date of z370 to counter Ryzen, people feel more screwed because it was released so soon afterwards. I'm assuming intel had originally planned on releasing z370 later in 2018, but with it being so close after z270 it creates a sense of betrayal.

That same train of thought is exactly why I would believe z370 will support Cannon lake, or whatever chip is released afterwards. I expect it to at least support 2 gens, but having official information or other sources would give me some comfort. 

[DocSwag]

Just now, Draydince said:

That same train of thought is exactly why I would believe z370 will support Cannon lake, or whatever chip is released afterwards. I expect it to at least support 2 gens, but having official information or other sources would give me some comfort. 

I don't think Intel would dare not putting two gens on LGA 1151 v2 especially when am4 is here with new CPUs until 2020.

[Draydince]

Exactly. With all the bad publicity Intel has had lately, they really can't afford to make z370 obsolete from the day its released.

[Zonther]

Z170/Z270 and Z370 are like X79 and X99. Both use the same CPU socket but can't use the same CPU's

[Draydince]

I guess my concern isn't "specifically" z390, I'm just moreso wanting to know if there's any information if there will be a 2nd gen supported on z370 after cl. There's a lot of rumors saying z370 will support coffee lake and nothing more, but that honestly sounds hard to believe.

[Princess Luna]

I'm buying about the cheapest Z370 chipset motherboard from Asus there is... future proof platform really isnt a thing any more besides it won't matter performance wise, should still put a nice i7 8700k at 4.7ghz minimum, as if you need more for gaming, its just luxury [:

[arnavvr]

30 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

It will probably get one more generation of CPUs, like every single other socket Intel has made in the past 6 years. So cannon Lake.

Intel had two generations on LGA 1151. Technically it's not really screwing you ovef.

Skylake and Kaby Lake are the same architecture, 1150 got three generations, was expecting the same from 1151.

[DocSwag]

28 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

Skylake and Kaby Lake are the same architecture, 1150 got three generations, was expecting the same from 1151.

And since when did the second gen product on the same socket become a new architecture?

 

Broadwell wasn't a new architecture. Ivy bridge wasn't a new architecture. None of them were.

 

Kaby Lake has given around 5% higher clocks than skylake resulting in about a 5% performance increase compared to skylake. This is in line with what Intel has been doing every single year. I don't understand what part of this you don't really like.

 

You shouldn't be paying attention at the architecture. You should be paying attention at the performance gap.

[arnavvr]

44 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

And since when did the second gen product on the same socket become a new architecture?

 

Broadwell wasn't a new architecture. Ivy bridge wasn't a new architecture. None of them were.

 

Kaby Lake has given around 5% higher clocks than skylake resulting in about a 5% performance increase compared to skylake. This is in line with what Intel has been doing every single year. I don't understand what part of this you don't really like.

 

You shouldn't be paying attention at the architecture. You should be paying attention at the performance gap.

1150 had 4770K -> 4790K -> 5775C

1155 had 2600K -> 2700K -> 3770K

1151 only had 6700K -> 7700K

[DocSwag]

11 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

1150 had 4770K -> 4790K -> 5775C

1155 had 2600K -> 2700K -> 3770K

1151 only had 6700K -> 7700K

2700k was hardly a generational gap. It was just a factory OCed 2600k.

 

The 5775C can hardly be considered a generational gap compared to the 4790k as well.

[Draydince]

2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

I'm buying about the cheapest Z370 chipset motherboard from Asus there is... future proof platform really isnt a thing any more besides it won't matter performance wise, should still put a nice i7 8700k at 4.7ghz minimum, as if you need more for gaming, its just luxury [:

I'm not particularly worried about future proofing in the sense of "oh no, the next chip is 5% better now I'm obsolete" it's more of the fact that 8 cores will be coming out in 2018, and that is something I'm very interested in. My plan is to buy a Z370 with an 8700k now, sell the 8700k at a loss when the 9700k or whatever it's called comes out, and accept that it will probably be the last chip supported on that platform. I don't expect a platform to last me forever, I'm just trying to find any information about whether or not there actually will be a successor available on Z370. I'm in pretty big need of an upgrade, I'm currently using an 8350k as a placeholder after I had to RMA a Ryzen setup I had, and I don't know if I can make it another year on this haha. 

[Jpec07]

I’m sitting here with an aging i7 3960x on the LGA 2011 socket.

 

I can’t even buy a replacement motherboard anymore, unless I want to either buy Intel’s stock model, or pay out the nose on EBay. Can’t even drop it in an X99 board either—I’m stuck with X79 (at least if what I’ve read is correct).

 

Intel has been really bad about backwards and forwards compatibility since the Core i series came out. It’s making me very strongly lean towards Team Red for my next build, since I remember seeing somewhere that they were planning at least four generations of CPU compatibility on the current chipset, and my understanding is that they’ve got a long history of that. Ryzen is also really, *really* strong right now, and a Ryzen 5 1600 can do everything my i7 3960x can, for half the wattage.

 

Long and short, don’t count on Intel for multigenerational compatibility. They’re milking the cash cow as much as they can. Their chips are good, but not good enough to justify how they’re screwing over the market.

[Draydince]

I had a Ryzen setup with an X370 Taichi and a R7 1700x. It had nothing but bugs and instability, hence why I'm looking at intel this time around. I have no problem with either company, hell I'm currently using an FX 8350 - both companies have their merits, but the experience has turned me away from AMD for the time being. 

[THEDOOMEDHELL]

Yo why is there so many idiots/trolls on this forum??? I guess its cuz its an old thread but:

 

- i7-3960x is probably the greatest used processor on the market right now. Used items arent much of a risk trust me every computer I build is used and I get a better bang for buck every time. If you dont trust that shit you're a pussy. 

 

- the AM4 platform was unstable upon release, wah cry about it they fixed all the issues and there arent any reasons to buy intel over ryzen no more. My dad's computer uses a 1700 and after I overclocked it, its more stable than any Intel CPU ive ever seen! Sure, it wont overclock over 4.0Ghz in 99% of the time, but thats still a free full Gig out of the box! 

 

- the topic is still probably the most relevant in the entire CPU topic: finding ways to run 8th gen on Z170 and vice versa will save consumers hundreds of dollars and save good motherboards from getting trashed. Let's get this post moving I need official answers!!!