I7 or RYZEN 7 gaming

[Chaos Gamer]

I7-8700k ($505 approx) apparently costs more than Ryzen 7 1800x ($499) so I had to go back to square one and am wondering how much of a difference in fps does the I7 7700k and Ryzen 7 1700x have, with a GTX 1080 Ti. I want real gaming fps numbers from demanding AAA titles, and I know this is too much of an overkill but at 1080p preferably. I'm not too much into editing or whatever but I want cores too, future games may end up being more cpu intensive (Crysis 3, Forza Horizon 3). I'm getting a 144hz monitor and want to squeeze out every fps that the 1080 ti can give but if the differences are within 20-30 fps, I'm cool with Ryzen. And also is there a guarantee that future titles would get equal fps on Ryzen 7 as it gets with the I7-7700k?

Thanks in advance.

[RadiatingLight]

for a 144Hz monitor, the intel i7 processors are better.

however, the 8700K will be nowhere near $500. it might be $380USD at the very most.

 

750W is also MORE than enough for a system like that.

you could probably run it off a 450W PSU if you weren't overclocking, and a 550W PSU if you give both the GPU and CPU a decent overclock.

people wildly overestimate power draw.

(a system I recently built with a Ryzen 1500X + GTX 1070 only drew 200W under gaming load, link in sig for a gamersnexus video about power draw)

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

And also is there a guarantee that future titles would get equal fps on Ryzen 7 as it gets with the I7-7700k?

Guaranteed 60FPS or your money back /s

 

no, of course there isn't a guarantee. nobody can see the future.

 

we can assume that as games begin to use more than 8 threads, the Ryzen processors will see less performance degradation over time, but only time will tell.

[Chaos Gamer]

Actually no, 8700k costs $505, this news came out 14 hours ago, http://fudzilla.com/news/processors/44477-possible-intel-coffee-lake-cpu-prices-leaked.

"More cores and higher price tag

There have been plenty of Intel Coffee Lake leaks recently which point that the October 5 launch date rumors are right on the money and the recent one reveals possible prices of three SKUs in Europe.

Coming from IO-Tech site, Intel's upcoming Coffee Lake desktop CPUs, including the Core i3-8350K, Core i5-8600K and the Core i7-8700K could have somewhat higher price tags compared to the currently available Intel Kaby Lake equivalents.

- Core i3-8350K: 199 €
- Core i5-8600K: 299 €
- Core i7-8700K: 419 €

Since Coffee Lake SKUs will have a higher core count, it does not come as a surprise that Intel will price them higher than the Kaby Lake SKUs.

Since the new Coffee Lake CPUs will "most likely" also need the new Z370 chipset, despite using the same LGA1151 socket, Intel could have softened the blow with a lower price, but that is obviously not going to happen."

[79wjd]

6 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Guaranteed 60FPS or your money back /s

 

no, of course there isn't a guarantee. nobody can see the future.

 

we can assume that as games begin to use more than 8 threads, the Ryzen processors will see less performance degradation over time, but only time will tell.

Just to add to this, it's unlikely that games will leverage more than 12 threads in the useful lifespan of any Ryzen CPU -- so an R5 1600 would be a more cost effective choice. 

 

 

@Chaos Gamer Leaks and rumors aren't always accurate. You'll have to wait until CL releases if you want to see how much it will actually go for. Earlier rumors were pointing to it being 5% more than KL: 

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/254521-rumor-prices-leak-intels-coffee-lake

 

It's also worth pointing out that a 7700k launched at like 380€ in Germany, which generally has cheaper pricing than Finland. So an 8700k in Finland rumored to be 10%~ more than a 7700k in germany. So....yeah, $500 doesn't seem likely.

[RadiatingLight]

2 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

Actually no, 8700k costs $505, this news came out 14 hours ago, http://fudzilla.com/news/processors/44477-possible-intel-coffee-lake-cpu-prices-leaked.

"More cores and higher price tag

There have been plenty of Intel Coffee Lake leaks recently which point that the October 5 launch date rumors are right on the money and the recent one reveals possible prices of three SKUs in Europe.

Coming from IO-Tech site, Intel's upcoming Coffee Lake desktop CPUs, including the Core i3-8350K, Core i5-8600K and the Core i7-8700K could have somewhat higher price tags compared to the currently available Intel Kaby Lake equivalents.

- Core i3-8350K: 199 €
- Core i5-8600K: 299 €
- Core i7-8700K: 419 €

Since Coffee Lake SKUs will have a higher core count, it does not come as a surprise that Intel will price them higher than the Kaby Lake SKUs.

Since the new Coffee Lake CPUs will "most likely" also need the new Z370 chipset, despite using the same LGA1151 socket, Intel could have softened the blow with a lower price, but that is obviously not going to happen."

Quote me when replying

 

secondly, I could see intel doing this, but other leaks have said they won't and this is only one leak.

I seem to remember @MageTank knowing some inside info about the 8th gen. enlighten us maybe?

[Chaos Gamer]

'750W is also MORE than enough for a system like that.

you could probably run it off a 450W PSU if you weren't overclocking, and a 550W PSU if you give both the GPU and CPU a decent overclock.'

That is wrong I guess, gtx 1080 ti consumes 300w under gaming load and 650w barely meets the requirements...

[79wjd]

7 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

'750W is also MORE than enough for a system like that.

you could probably run it off a 450W PSU if you weren't overclocking, and a 550W PSU if you give both the GPU and CPU a decent overclock.'

That is wrong I guess, gtx 1080 ti consumes 300w under gaming load and 650w barely meets the requirements...

Manufacturers FAR overestimate the wattage required. A 1080Ti will pull <250w while gaming most of the time. 

 

Anandtech's 1080Ti (and a 4960x @ 4.2ghz) is pulling 400w~ under load:

 

 

 

 

 

@RadiatingLight

And in regards to the 8700k pricing, It's also worth pointing out that a 7700k launched at like 380€ in Germany, which generally has cheaper pricing than Finland. So the rumor you linked is putting an 8700k in Finland to be 10%~ more expensive than a 7700k in Germany. So....yeah, $500 doesn't seem likely. It seems like 10% more than Kaby Lake pricing will be the case. 

[Chaos Gamer]

Alright 750w it is. Now for the main question, I want numbers, fps, and stuff.

[RadiatingLight]

2 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

Alright 750w it is. Now for the main question, I want numbers, fps, and stuff.

the answer is TONS.

a 1080Ti + 7700K @ 5Ghz will give you way more FPS than you'd ever need.

I don't have numbers because that's so overkill that nobody tests it.

[79wjd]

3 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

Alright 750w it is. Now for the main question, I want numbers, fps, and stuff.

Google.com: 

Ryzen 1700 benchmarks. 

7700k Benchmarks. 

1080Ti Benchmarks. 

 

Look at the games you actually care about. 

[Chaos Gamer]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Google.com: 

Ryzen 1700 benchmarks. 

7700k Benchmarks. 

1080Ti Benchmarks. 

 

Look at the games you actually care about. 

I've already done that and got no satisfying answers... 

[Chaos Gamer]

3 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

the answer is TONS.

a 1080Ti + 7700K @ 5Ghz will give you way more FPS than you'd ever need.

I don't have numbers because that's so overkill that nobody tests it.

My friend tells me that a few patches for games is going to make the fps gap between ryzen and i7 reduce.

[RadiatingLight]

2 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

My friend tells me that a few patches for games is going to make the fps gap between ryzen and i7 reduce.

reduce, but the i7 will still always be faster.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

I7-8700k ($505 approx) apparently costs more than Ryzen 7 1800x ($499) so I had to go back to square one and am wondering how much of a difference in fps does the I7 7700k and Ryzen 7 1700x have, with a GTX 1080 Ti. I want real gaming fps numbers from demanding AAA titles, and I know this is too much of an overkill but at 1080p preferably. I'm not too much into editing or whatever but I want cores too, future games may end up being more cpu intensive (Crysis 3, Forza Horizon 3). I'm getting a 144hz monitor and want to squeeze out every fps that the 1080 ti can give but if the differences are within 20-30 fps, I'm cool with Ryzen. And also is there a guarantee that future titles would get equal fps on Ryzen 7 as it gets with the I7-7700k?

 

One final question, is a 750w gold rated psu enough for this build, I've already visited outervision.com but I think they don't take the cpu cooler into account -

I7-7700k (I7-8700k if it is within $400) / Ryzen 7 1700x

GTX 1080 ti (not fe)

Asus ROG Z270f / X370f

Hyper 212x

2x8gb ddr4 3000mhz corsair vengeance / Tridentz RGB

Cooler master masterbox lite 5 - 3 RGB 120mm fans front and 1 non-RGB fan rear

2tb barracuda 7200rpm with 32gb Intel optane

an external ODD

Corsair RM750x PSU

 

Thanks in advance.

Core-i7 Coffee Lake is better for Gaming if compared to Ryzen 7 but Ryzen 7 is Better than Core-i7 7700K. If you can wait get Core-i7 Coffee Lake but if you want now then get Ryzen 7.

[Chaos Gamer]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

reduce, but the i7 will still always be faster.

Just asking, is 30fps noticeable after 90fps

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Raziq_26 said:

Core-i7 Coffee Lake is better for Gaming if compared to Ryzen 7 but Ryzen 7 is Better than Core-i7 7700K. If you can wait get Core-i7 Coffee Lake but if you want now then get Ryzen 7.

A 7700k is better than a 1700 in gaming too. 

 

1 minute ago, Chaos Gamer said:

Just asking, is 30fps noticeable after 90fps

It depends on the person. I find 60->90 to be a much bigger difference and 90->144 to be pretty small. But I also prefer 60fps on an IPS display to 90fps on a TN display. 

[Chaos Gamer]

Just now, Raziq_26 said:

Core-i7 Coffee Lake is better for Gaming if compared to Ryzen 7 but Ryzen 7 is Better than Core-i7 7700K. If you can wait get Core-i7 Coffee Lake but if you want now then get Ryzen 7.

but leaks suggest that it is $150 costlier than the 7700k

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Chaos Gamer said:

Just asking, is 30fps noticeable after 90fps

if you have a 144Hz monitor, I'd assume you want to get the full 144Hz.

Ryzen is fine until about 100ish FPS. then it starts to become a bottleneck depending on what game you play.

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

but leaks suggest that it is $150 costlier than the 7700k

Leaks suggest it is 10% more at launch in Finland (which is generally more expensive than Germany) than a 7700k was at launch in Germany.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

but leaks suggest that it is $150 costlier than the 7700k

Yes that's true...

[Chaos Gamer]

4 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

But I also prefer 60fps on an IPS display to 90fps on a TN display. 

Wait, but isn't ips bad for fps games, those response times and blurs, and ips 144hz is costly

[79wjd]

4 minutes ago, Chaos Gamer said:

Wait, but isn't ips bad for fps games, those response times and blurs

No. Both the ROG Swift and Acer XB27 are IPS and are both top end monitors. I also personally have a Dell P2414H (60hz, IPS, 8ms response time) and a BenQ XL2411z (144hz, TN, 1ms response time), and I prefer gaming on the P2414H.

 

Besides, response times are basically meaningless unless you find a review that measures it themselves. All companies measure it differently.

[Chaos Gamer]

so now i have to decide between ips 60hz and tn 144hz

[stormense]

For Gaming I say Intel. But it's strange, my Ryzen 1800X play old good GTA IV better than my ex Intel I7 CPU. To all you GTA IV PC lovers.. Ryzen 8 core is the thing