1070 or 1060

[josh conquest]

gaming at 1920x1080 on a basic ass monitor. price inst really a boundary as i got a birthday and Christmas coming up. i have an i5 7600k @ 4.8 and im wondering which gpu to get. mainly playing pubg and looking for ultra settings.can 

anyone justify each graphics card and whether it would be a good idea to future proof?

[Darkseth]

How much % more Price would that be for you, in your Country / in your prefered Shop?

 

A GTX 1070 has around 35%~ more Performance, than a GTX 1060. If you have to pay 60% more, then 1060 is enough. If you pay 30% more, get the 1070.

 

 

For example, here in germany, GTX 1070 cost around 450 bucks for decent Customs (400-420 for cheap ones). GTX 1080 already starts at 496€, so 1070 is not worth considering at all here.

GTX 1060 costs 290€ here.

Just to show, how a GTX 1070 can be irrelevant / uninteresting, depending on Prices.

[josh conquest]

1 minute ago, Darkseth said:

How much % more Price would that be for you, in your Country / in your prefered Shop?

 

A GTX 1070 has around 35%~ more Performance, than a GTX 1060. If you have to pay 60% more, then 1060 is enough. If you pay 30% more, get the 1070.

 

 

For example, here in germany, GTX 1070 cost around 450 bucks for decent Customs (400-420 for cheap ones). GTX 1080 already starts at 496€, so 1070 is not worth considering at all here.

GTX 1060 costs 290€ here.

Just to show, how a GTX 1070 can be irrelevant / uninteresting, depending on Prices.

in the UK ive found gtx 1070s as low as 370 with 1060 around 280-300. these are the main 1060s of course. But im also considering future proofness as i cant afford to upgrade my gpu every two years

[Princess Luna]

7 minutes ago, josh conquest said:

i have an i5 7600k @ 4.8

GTX 1060 since your processor bottlenecks the GTX 1070

[josh conquest]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

GTX 1060 since your processor bottlenecks the GTX 1070

From what ive heard it barely bottlenecks it though. ive been told that performance is barely affected and you only see a differnce if its at 90-100% load

[Darkseth]

Then get the 1070.

From 280 --> 370 would be 32% more Price, for around 35%~ higher Performance.

At LEAST, the Price per performance is similar (and NOT worse). so no Money is "wasted".

 

I can't promise, that you will be able to "use" all the additinal Power in Pubg. But the Performance will be there, when you need it. Even if it's in 2 years with another game.

 

Oh yea, and 8gb Vram instead 6gb, also a nice Bonus.

 

You don't have to upgrade it in 2 years. even in 4 years, a 1070 will do a good Job, if you are willing to not use the irrational Ultra settings.

Games are designed for High, NOT for Ultra. Since Ultra looks 1% better, but needs 20-50% more performance. High settings are Sweet spot of Perofrmance to Visual Quality  ^^

[josh conquest]

Just now, Darkseth said:

Then get the 1070.

From 280 --> 370 would be 32% more Price, for around 35%~ higher Performance.

At LEAST, the Price per performance is similar (and NOT worse). so no Money is "wasted".

 

I can't promise, that you will be able to "use" all the additinal Power in Pubg. But the Performance will be there, when you need it. Even if it's in 2 years with another game.

 

Oh yea, and 8gb Vram instead 6gb, also a nice Bonus.

 

You don't have to upgrade it in 2 years. even in 4 years, a 1070 will do a good Job, if you are willing to not use the irrational Ultra settings.

Games are designed for High, NOT for Ultra. Since Ultra looks 1% better, but needs 20-50% more performance. High settings are Sweet spot of Perofrmance to Visual Quality  ^^

ok thanks for the help. but to be fair anything is an upgrade from a 2gb 960

[manikyath]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

GTX 1060 since your processor bottlenecks the GTX 1070

its really into the "just add more eyecandy" amount of FPS tho...

 

and with the places things are going.. i'd say what combinations pose possible cpu bottlenecks now, may do less so in the somewhat near future.

[SeanAngelo]

6 minutes ago, josh conquest said:

in the UK ive found gtx 1070s as low as 370 with 1060 around 280-300. these are the main 1060s of course. But im also considering future proofness as i cant afford to upgrade my gpu every two years

get the 1070 and be happy

[josh conquest]

Just now, SeanAngelo said:

get the 1070 and be happy

ok then problem solved

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, SeanAngelo said:

get the 1070 and be happy

gonna agree here.

[Darkseth]

Ignore those "Bottleneck" comments^^

What Bottlenecks has NOTHING to do with your Hardware.

It depends 100% on your Software + settings. Nothing else.

There are Games, where your CPU doesn't matter at all.

There are Games, where your GPU doesn't matter, since even 8-Core Intels with 4.5 GHZ bottleneck like Crazy.

 

As long your CPU delivers enough fps for YOU, there is NO PROBLEM.

 

I know some enthusiast in another Forum, he made a Video of BF1 in 1080p (he usually plays in 4k), and he has a 5960X 8-core at 4.5 Ghz.

That Processor even Bottlenecks hiw Overclocked Titan Xp in BF1, in ultra settings. CPU Bottleneck.

 

Even if you play a Game with Settings, where your CPU will start to bottleneck: A GHTX 1070 will still be much fas ter, than a GTX 1060. Period.

 

And CPU Bottleneck will be much less of an Issue, since your Monitor has only 60 Hz --> more than 60 fps are useless --> 60 fps lock is your Target.

 

So yea, get the 1070, if you can afford it.

You can't have too much graphic power. There is ALWAYS a Way, to bring a GPU down to it's knees (except super old games, that run at 200 fps in 5k even), you just need the right settings for it. ;-)

You can even make a 1080 ti / Titan Xp struggle hard in Rise of the Tomb Raider in 1080p, or Ghost Recon Wildlands.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, manikyath said:

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It just upsets me how people keep buying expensive z+aftermarket cooling for an i5 when any decent game from 2014+ already uses at least 4 threads which is all the poor i5 has to offer and it still has to share threads with Windows and background stuff... if op wanted a GTX 1070 it should have gotten a b250+i7 7700 in my opinion... since he didn't a GTX 1060 is a bit more justifiable now.

 

6 minutes ago, josh conquest said:

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Well try playing AC Unity with a GTX 1070 and an i5 7600k with NPC set to ultra and watch how fun it chokes maxed out.... plenty of other games are getting like that.

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Darkseth said:

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Beleidige andere nicht, wenn du nicht beleidigt sein möchtest.

[manikyath]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

It just upsets me how people keep buying expensive z+aftermarket cooling for an i5 when any decent game from 2014+ already uses at least 4 threads which is all the poor i5 has to offer and it still has to share threads with Windows and background stuff... if op wanted a GTX 1070 it should have gotten a b250+i7 7700 in my opinion... since he didn't a GTX 1060 is a bit more justifiable now.

yes, but OP has an i5 so that does not apply, and as OP said he is looking into somewhat future resistance-ness, so he may upgrade cpu before upgrading gpu again, at which point that GTX 1060 will look like a mistake.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, manikyath said:

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Yes so he can have a 1070 performing like a 1060 for about 2 years until he upgrade CPU where he'll have to have the same 1070 but now performing like a 1070 which will feel outdated like a 970 is now either ways... I don't buy the "future-proof" thing... but oh well... I given my two cents, OP already made up hims mind as well... cheers!

[josh conquest]

Just now, manikyath said:

yes, but OP has an i5 so that does not apply, and as OP said he is looking into somewhat future resistance-ness, so he may upgrade cpu before upgrading gpu again, at which point that GTX 1060 will look like a mistake.

i will upgrade cpu before gpu. i bought the i5 at release so ill probably go for a new one in a few years. ill probably upgrade when i finish my GCSEs as the cash will flow to me from my dads pocket

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yes so he can have a 1070 performing like a 1060 for about 2 years until he upgrade CPU where he'll have to have the same 1070 but now performing like a 1070 which will feel outdated like a 970 is now either ways... I don't buy the "future-proof" thing... but oh well... I given my two cents, OP already made up hims mind as well... cheers!

or.. being able to mindlessly crank ALL the settings now, and not be stuck with a 1060 2 years from now?

[Darkseth]

35 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Beleidige andere nicht, wenn du nicht beleidigt sein möchtest.

Ich habe nirgens jemanden beleidigt ;-) Bleib mal bitte bei den Fakten, und denk dir nicht irgendwelche Dinge aus, die nicht stimmen.

Und deine haltlosen Drohungen kannst du sonst wo lassen ;-) Ein wenig Niveau bitte.

Auch wenn ich es editiert habe, Solche pauschalen Aussagen zum Thema Bottleneck sind nunmal "Bullshit Aussagen". Und das ist in keinster Weise eine beleidigung. Es soll nur deutlich machen, dass solche Aussagen völliger Käse sind, und in keinster Weise pauschalisiert werden können.

 

Abgsehen davon, das ist ein englisches Forum, also halte dich daran.

 

 

GTX 1070 will NOT perform like a GTX 1060, just because there is a few % bottleneck. That's not how Bottlenecks work.

 

Unless you're in a HARD CPU Bottleneck (which will mostly happen in simulation games, like cities skylines), a GTX 1070 will pretty much always be faster than a GTX 1060. Even with an i5, even with an i3.

Bottleneck is more than just Black and White. 

 

Maybe, if the CPU Bottlenecks a bit, the +% Performance of a GTX 1070 won't be 40%, but only 30%, or 25%. Or 20%. But it WILL be Faster, and you WILL have more fps.

 

Anything here, you can just counter with more Graphic settings, to stress the CPU more.

 

If your CPU only delivers 70 fps, but GPU can do 100 fps, then crank up settings, so GPU can only push 60-70 fps. Voilá, CPU doesn't bottleneck anymore.

 

You can ALWAYS make Use of additional Graphic Power. ALWAYS. Literaly.

 

 

And last thing, to the "CPU Bottleneck thing":

CPU Doesn't matter at ALL tbh.

There are only 2 possible cases:

 

1. Your CPU does deliver enough fps for you ---> no Problem. Since you have enough fps.

 

2. Your CPU does NOT deliver enough fps for you --> Problem. Why is the GPU important? GPU doesn't matter. If it's a GTX 1080 ti, or 750 ti. Your CPU doesn't deliver enough fps, you won't have enough fps with ANY graphic card. --> CPU Upgrade, the GPU doesn't matter here.

 

See what i mean? If your CPU delivers enough fps for you, but you want more Eyecandy, get more GPU Power. Simple as that.