Need CPU for Gaming/Editing Build

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1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

wouldnt recommend Ryzen for kids, even well knowledged people still fiddle with it. Buy something that has to be set once and keeps going ... 

yeah, then he should get ryzen if he wants to set and forget

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Just now, TSL said:

yeah, then he should get ryzen if he wants to set and forget

this, Ryzen has been released to Server and HEDT platform where reliability and speed are requirements and yet people say it's unstable and horrible.. ok. 

[DarkSmith2]

Just now, Droidbot said:

this, Ryzen has been released to Server and HEDT platform where reliability and speed are requirements and yet people say it's unstable and horrible.. ok. 

just analyze trouble shooting in tech forums.. ryzen is far from reliable for a kid. even would suggest FX before ryzen, but imho if i would be at the age of 13 i would love my dad so much for buying me a 7700k/8700k .. though..

[PCGuy_5960]

13 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

• Intel build. Why Intel? Stability. AMD Ryzen has mature since launch. Imo, they need to mature some more, before it's safe to be suggest for a build.

Ryzen is extremely stable, but even if it wasn't, do you think that the OP's kids are doing anything mission critical? 

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£264.90 @ Aria PC) since you're doing photo editing this will perform better than the 1600.
Motherboard: Asus - B150M PRO GAMING Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£51.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£119.50 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£76.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£37.49 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini Video Card  (£379.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Power Supply: Cougar - GX-S 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (£44.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Other: ARIANET CIT-F3WHITEBLACK  (£21.18 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £996.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-09 13:02 BST+0100

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1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

just analyze trouble shooting in tech forums.. ryzen is far from reliable for a kid. even would suggest FX before ryzen, but imho if i would be at the age of 13 i would love my dad so much for buying me a 7700k/8700k .. though..

I've been here for goddamn ages and I've seen about equal between both platforms. Ryzen is selling more, so I would naturally expect more. 

 

Check Mindfactory numbers if you don't believe that they're selling more. 

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1 hour ago, DarkSmith2 said:

just analyze trouble shooting in tech forums.. ryzen is far from reliable for a kid. even would suggest FX before ryzen, but imho if i would be at the age of 13 i would love my dad so much for buying me a 7700k/8700k .. though..

yeah, but the budget can't account for a 7700k or coffee lake, so its out of the picture. plus, i think you need to check yo dates on them forums, cause ryzen had issues within the first few months of release ( like all new architectures), but its been 8 now and all the bugs and compatibility issues have been worked (the ones that will affect an average consumer not doing serious tinkering at least)

 

1 hour ago, herman mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£264.90 @ Aria PC) since you're doing photo editing this will perform better than the 1600.
Motherboard: Asus - B150M PRO GAMING Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£51.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£119.50 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£76.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£37.49 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini Video Card  (£379.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Power Supply: Cougar - GX-S 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (£44.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Other: ARIANET CIT-F3WHITEBLACK  (£21.18 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £996.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-09 13:02 BST+0100

why would you even consider ever using that CPU?

[DarkSmith2]

Just now, Droidbot said:

I've been here for goddamn ages and I've seen about equal between both platforms. Ryzen is selling more, so I would naturally expect more. 

 

Check Mindfactory numbers if you don't believe that they're selling more. 

yea i know that they are selling more, because every fool recommends to buy ryzen... aaand Intel buyers are wating for coffeelake.. ryzen will get crushed again when coffeelake hits. They have sold 5% more and now? 400% more troubleshooting on forums then intel... really nice ..

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2 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

yea i know that they are selling more, because every fool recommends to buy ryzen... aaand Intel buyers are wating for coffeelake.. ryzen will get crushed again when coffeelake hits. They have sold 5% more and now? 400% more troubleshooting on forums then intel... really nice ..

I think we found an Intel fan boy guys!!!!

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1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

yea i know that they are selling more, because every fool recommends to buy ryzen... aaand Intel buyers are wating for coffeelake.. ryzen will get crushed again when coffeelake hits. They have sold 5% more and now? 400% more troubleshooting on forums then intel... really nice ..

sure it will, because Ryzen5 owners have been laughing since April and CFL will cannibalize Skylake-X hexacore sales like g4560 cannibalized i3 sales.

[Herman Mcpootis]

Just now, TSL said:

why would you even consider ever using that CPU?

even after i explicitly state it, you still have to ask.

photoshop is lightly threaded, the 7700k performs better than the 1800x, so the gap between the 1600 and 7700 would be even larger in the 7700's favor. also, the 7700 is still better in gaming over the 1600.

[DarkSmith2]

1 minute ago, TSL said:

I think we found an Intel fan boy guys!!!!

not really, i was very close to buy a ryzen myself but why should i, when there are better alternatives for my usecase.

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1 hour ago, DarkSmith2 said:

yea i know that they are selling more, because every fool recommends to buy ryzen... aaand Intel buyers are wating for coffeelake.. ryzen will get crushed again when coffeelake hits. They have sold 5% more and now? 400% more troubleshooting on forums then intel... really nice ..

"every fool recommends Ryzen" - well that's because its better, ever consider that? of intel buyers are waiting for coffeelake, cause its looking to be like the only half decent cpus intel would have churned out in years. and yeah ryzen will probably lose market share when it drops (*IF* intel dare to be price competitive). also i like your touch of arbitrary numbers at the end, really give your argument the spice it needs

 

1 hour ago, herman mcpootis said:

even after i explicitly state it, you still have to ask.

photoshop is lightly threaded, the 7700k performs better than the 1800x, so the gap between the 1600 and 7700 would be even larger in the 7700's favor. also, the 7700 is still better in gaming over the 1600.

7700 and 7700k are quite different you realise m8...

[DarkSmith2]

3 minutes ago, TSL said:

"every fool recommends Ryzen" - well that's because its better, ever consider that? of intel buyers are waiting for coffeelake, cause its looking to be like the only half decent cpus intel would have churned out in years. and yeah ryzen will probably lose market share when it drops (*IF* intel dare to be price competitive). also i like your touch of arbitrary numbers at the end, really give your argument the spice it needs

better then what? in what? as far as my research goes most of it is worse but "price".

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, TSL said:

7700 and 7700k are quite different you realise m8...

600mhz lower on base and 300mhz lower after turbo. that isn't gonna help ryzen beat the 7700 in photoshop.

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1 hour ago, DarkSmith2 said:

better then what? in what? as far as my research goes most if it is worse but price and multithreaded performance.

than intel kabylake, you know, the only other cpu manufacturer, duh? yeah, they're better (slightly in gaming) yet offer the same versatile platform, and people aren't made of money, hence its BETTER overall.... 

 

1 hour ago, herman mcpootis said:

600mhz lower on base and 300mhz lower after turbo. that isn't gonna help ryzen beat the 7700 in photoshop.

good thing the build isnt for photoshop then isnt it? and next time please make it clear which cpu you're talking about - you include 7700 in list, yet refer ti 7700k in graphs, contradicting what you just said that there is a significant difference!

[DarkSmith2]

Just now, TSL said:

than intel kabylake, you know, the only other cpu manufacturer, duh? yeah, they're better (slightly in gaming) yet offer the same versatile platform, and people aren't made of money, hence its BETTER overall.... 

not only gaming, and not only kabylake. You can buy a 5820k for 80€ on Ebay...  

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1 hour ago, herman mcpootis said:

600mhz lower on base and 300mhz lower after turbo. that isn't gonna help ryzen beat the 7700 in photoshop.

600Mhz lower base and 500 after turbo, turbo is only 4Ghz all-core. 

 

1 hour ago, DarkSmith2 said:

better then what? in what? as far as my research goes most of it is worse but "price".

7600k, in gaming, multimedia, and everything that isn't intel biased, really. it's ever so slightly slower in single-core. 

 

1 hour ago, DarkSmith2 said:

not only gaming, and not only kabylake. You can buy a 5820k for 80€ on Ebay...  

https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_clu=2&_fcid=77&_localstpos=12277&_stpos=12277&gbr=1&_nkw=5820k&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

 

are you baked?

 

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1 hour ago, DarkSmith2 said:

not only gaming, and not only kabylake. You can buy a 5820k for 80€ on Ebay...  

can you get an x99 motherboard at the same price reduction though? you aren't considering the bigger picture.....

 

1 hour ago, Droidbot said:

are you baked?

LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! roasted and toasted

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2 minutes ago, TSL said:

can you get an x99 motherboard at the same price reduction though? you aren't considering the bigger picture.....

cheapest x99 board on pcpp.de is 170eur, combined with 170eur 5820k.. 

 

vs ryzen 5 1600 200eur and 70eur boards..

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1 minute ago, Droidbot said:

cheapest x99 board on pcpp.de is 170eur, combined with 170eur 5820k.. 

 

vs ryzen 5 1600 200eur and 70eur boards..

adding to this they have the same performance..... ;D

intel can't even beat amd's value on their used chips, lol

[DarkSmith2]

they do sell much cheaper kid.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Prozessor-Intel-Core-i7-5820K-5820K-ca-1-Jahr-alt-/192298871389?epid=218397954&hash=item2cc5e7ea5d:g:AEYAAOSwPyBZrvpk 

 

and cheapest board on mindfactory is 165, but you can still buy something much cheaper on ebay or craigslist and it will definitley be faster then ryzen. Thats the point ryzen might be cheap, but its also slower

 

1 hour ago, TSL said:

adding to this they have the same performance..... ;D

intel can't even beat amd's value on their used chips, lol

yea on stock clocks gg, no re

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Just now, DarkSmith2 said:

they do sell much cheaper kid.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Prozessor-Intel-Core-i7-5820K-5820K-ca-1-Jahr-alt-/192298871389?epid=218397954&hash=item2cc5e7ea5d:g:AEYAAOSwPyBZrvpk 

 

and cheapest board on mindfactory is 165, but you can still buy something much cheaper on ebay or craigslist and it will definitley be faster then ryzen. Thats the point ryzen might be cheap, but its also slower

dude, do your research, ryzen is faster than 2 generation old intel chips, holy f**k!

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1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

they do sell much cheaper kid.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Prozessor-Intel-Core-i7-5820K-5820K-ca-1-Jahr-alt-/192298871389?epid=218397954&hash=item2cc5e7ea5d:g:AEYAAOSwPyBZrvpk 

 

and cheapest board on mindfactory is 165, but you can still buy something much cheaper on ebay or craigslist and it will definitley be faster then ryzen. Thats the point ryzen might be cheap, but its also slower

that's auction, not final prices. I listed final prices from auctions... 

 

sure, but it's still 100eur+

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1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

yea on stock clocks gg, no re

you sayin' ryzen can't be overclocked?