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[DarkSmith2]

Just now, TSL said:

you sayin' ryzen can't be overclocked?

no

[TSL]

4 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

no

then what are you saying, this is what i get: you're suggesting a platform that is no longer supported, is more expensive and has worse performance.... your 5820k suggestion is only better by 5%, when it is overclocked to 4.7Ghz on water.... i have a sneaky suspicion that OP won't have the budget on top of your over priced suggestion to add a liquid cooler and go through the hassle of that much overclocking when you yourself recommended something that you can set and forget!!

[DarkSmith2]

Just now, TSL said:

then what are you saying, this is what i get: you're suggesting a platform that is no longer supported, is more expensive and has worse performance.... your 5820k suggestion is only better by 5%, when it is overclocked to 4.7Ghz on water.... i have a sneaky suspicion that OP won't have the budget on top of your over priced suggestion to add a liquid cooler and go through the hassle of that much overclocking when you yourself recommended something that you can set and forget!!

were have i suggested to buy it? im just saying ryzen is slower but cheaper. Also the universal recommendation of buying something just because you might think its "better for everyone" doesnt stand true. If budget isnt any issue buying something on x299 compared by specs, not price is even substantial faster considering OC headroom even crucially faster. 

 

If my kids want a machine to play with, i wouldnt recommend ryzen because it is its weakness from the performance standpoint just saying. If you are happy with unoptimized running games and low fps especially in older games but happy with more multithreading performance good for you, 

 

If i build a rig for purely gaming and "a little else" ryzen doesnt make sense at all. Because i would want to be able to play every game with a good performance not just "most modern games a little bit worse then X"

[DocSwag]

14 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

• Intel build. Why Intel? Stability. AMD Ryzen has mature since launch. Imo, they need to mature some more, before it's safe to be suggest for a build.
• 8GB of ram is good enough
• Hybrid drive for that SSD like performance and the capacity of a HDD.
• GTX 1050Ti for the games they play now as well as games they want to get in the near future
• Windows 10 retail license, so it can be transfer, when you build a new PC.
• Some matching parts, like mobo, case, and, gpu, to make it look nice and awesome.
• IMO even a Kaby Lake Pentium dual core is good enough for your kids.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£150.49 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B250H Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£100.67 @ More Computers)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (£67.50 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  (£66.59 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB STRIX Video Card  (£161.84 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£39.96 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£85.97 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit  (£100.37 @ More Computers)
Total: £773.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-08 23:13 BST+0100

 

 

-Source plz? The only real issue as far as I'm aware was memory compatibility.

-SSHD doesn't give you SSD like performance. If HDD performance was 0 on a scale and SSD was 100 an SSHD would be around 30.

-Why such a friggin expensive b250 mobo?!?

-With this kind of a budget you're better off getting windows from kinguin or using windows unactivated instead of paying £100 that coulda been used on gpu 

44 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£264.90 @ Aria PC) since you're doing photo editing this will perform better than the 1600.
Motherboard: Asus - B150M PRO GAMING Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£51.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£119.50 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£76.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£37.49 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini Video Card  (£379.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Power Supply: Cougar - GX-S 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (£44.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Other: ARIANET CIT-F3WHITEBLACK  (£21.18 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £996.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I vote this exact pc, except assuming op isn't in a rush they should wait a month for Coffee Lake.

[TSL]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

were have i suggested to buy it?

you suggested it when you said: "you can buy a 5820k for 80 euros". thats seems awfully like a suggestion to me....

[DarkSmith2]

Just now, TSL said:

you suggested it when you said: "you can buy a 5820k for 80 euros". thats seems awfully like a suggestion to me....

that im saying that you have the possibility to buy something is in fact in no way a suggestion, if i would had said "go and buy a 5820k" it would be a suggestion.

[PCGuy_5960]

17 minutes ago, TSL said:

dude, do your research, ryzen is faster than 2 generation old intel chips, holy f**k!

12 minutes ago, TSL said:

then what are you saying, this is what i get: you're suggesting a platform that is no longer supported, is more expensive and has worse performance.... your 5820k suggestion is only better by 5%, when it is overclocked to 4.7Ghz on water.... i have a sneaky suspicion that OP won't have the budget on top of your over priced suggestion to add a liquid cooler and go through the hassle of that much overclocking when you yourself recommended something that you can set and forget!!

Nope, at stock, this is kinda true, but when you overclock both, the 5820K is much faster. (At least 15% at 4.7GHz and almost 100% faster if you use AVX)

 

BUT, the 5820K costs a more, if that's worth it is up to you

[TSL]

1 hour ago, DarkSmith2 said:

that im saying that you have the possibility to buy something is in fact in no way a suggestion, if i would had said "go and buy a 5820k" it would be a suggestion.

then why'd you say it if you didn't want OP to buy it?

 

1 hour ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Nope, at stock, this is kinda true, but when you overclock both, the 5820K is much faster. (At least 15% at 4.7GHz and almost 100% faster if you use AVX)

 

BUT, the 5820K costs a more, if that's worth it is up to you

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X-vs-Intel-Core-i7-5820K/3920vs2579

 

check out peak overclocked benchmarks. then factoring in cost, 5820k is not an option for OP

[DarkSmith2]

1 minute ago, TSL said:

then why'd you say it if you didn't want OP to buy it?

welp, there might be a language barrier or you are playing narrow-minded now, i wrote that as a reply to you in the discussion we had  i thought a "quote" would imply that.

[TSL]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

welp, there might be a language barrier or you are playing narrow-minded now, i wrote that as a reply to you in the discussion we had  i thought a "quote" would imply that.

saying you can buy a 5820k has nothing to do with comparing the value proposition of modern day intel vs. mdoern amd

[PCGuy_5960]

15 minutes ago, TSL said:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X-vs-Intel-Core-i7-5820K/3920vs2579

 

check out peak overclocked benchmarks. then factoring in cost, 5820k is not an option for OP

Yeah, Userbenchmark is crap  

 

Let's use Cinebench: At 4.7GHz the 5820K gets 1350-1400cb multi core and 180-200cb single core. The 1600 at 4GHz gets 1300-1350cb multi core and 160-170cb single core. The 5820K is not much faster in the multithreaded test (because AMD's Hyperthreading is more efficient), but it it 11% faster in the single core test. 

 

In AVX workloads, the 5820K destroys the 1600X:

Spoiler

 

[DarkSmith2]

9 minutes ago, TSL said:

saying you can buy a 5820k has nothing to do with comparing the value proposition of modern day intel vs. mdoern amd

bro, since i dont think this discussion will lead anywhere, i would suggest we stop.

 

Im fine either way, you recommend ryzen for gaming, im not. (since even older gen Intels are faster in gaming)

The OP has to decide if it has the most value for him or his kids for there specifical usecase.

 

[TSL]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yeah, Userbenchmark is crap  

 

Let's use Cinebench: At 4.7GHz the 5820K gets 1350-1400cb multi core and 180-190cb single core. The 1600 at 4GHz gets 1300-1350cb multi core and 160-170cb single core. The 5820K is not much faster in the multithreaded test (because AMD's Hyperthreading is more efficient), but it it 11% faster in the single core test. 

 

In AVX workloads, the 5820K destroys the 1600X:

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you're forgetting this is at 4.7Ghz

[tom_w141]

On 9/8/2017 at 5:39 AM, firelighter487 said:

why is everybody recommending ryzen? jayztwocents proved that even a pentium will outperform a ryzen 1200... 

 

what is your budget? and "gaming" is very vague. what games?

1. Read the OP he wants to do things other than gaming where physical cores will matter.

2. A 1200 is overclockable and once you do so it will beat the pentium in all areas including gaming.

 

tldr: Read the OP

 

On 9/8/2017 at 6:04 AM, firelighter487 said:

the pentium came out on top... why is that? did he not test with optimized games or something?

He kneecapped it by not overclocking it thats how. Whereas the pentium can't overclock

 

EDIT: (He realised this and is redoing the video, see his twitter for proof)

 

15 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

• Intel build. Why Intel? Stability. AMD Ryzen has mature since launch. Imo, they need to mature some more, before it's safe to be suggest for a build.
• 8GB of ram is good enough
• Hybrid drive for that SSD like performance and the capacity of a HDD.
• GTX 1050Ti for the games they play now as well as games they want to get in the near future
• Windows 10 retail license, so it can be transfer, when you build a new PC.
• Some matching parts, like mobo, case, and, gpu, to make it look nice and awesome.
• IMO even a Kaby Lake Pentium dual core is good enough for your kids.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£150.49 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B250H Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£100.67 @ More Computers)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (£67.50 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  (£66.59 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB STRIX Video Card  (£161.84 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£39.96 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£85.97 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit  (£100.37 @ More Computers)
Total: £773.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-08 23:13 BST+0100

 

 

Mind is blown how you managed to spend so much money and build a meh PC. Locked i5? Buying an i5 or any Intel cpu right before coffeelake??

 

This fits the budget, looks badass and has room to grow/upgrade.

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/tom_w141/saved/#view=m8szyc

 

Or wait for CL as its only a month away

 

1 hour ago, DarkSmith2 said:

not only gaming, and not only kabylake. You can buy a 5820k for 80€ on Ebay...  

No you can't

 

What you mean is there is one listed for £76 CURRENTLY, but it has several bids/watchers and nearly 5 days to go. That will finish around the £200-300 mark like the others listed. The thing with Ebay is that all the bids fly in at the end via sniping programs. So annoying when people say "you can buy X really cheap on Ebay" when its just a listing lmao

[NumLock21]

6 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

i would add a 120gb ssd to this. other than that, it's a good build.

OP can opt to add a ssd if he wants to. Just note that he will have to copy files everytime to the hdd, cause the ssd getting full and files were not saved to the hdd in the first place.

 

4 hours ago, Droidbot said:

what

 

fucking what

 

Ryzen is stable as all hell now, it's rock solid even for memory compatibility since agesa 1006. 

Your mixing consumer stability over enthusiast stability.

 

4 hours ago, TSL said:

yeah, then he should get ryzen if he wants to set and forget

No you would get Intel if he wants to set it and forget it.

 

4 hours ago, Droidbot said:

this, Ryzen has been released to Server and HEDT platform where reliability and speed are requirements and yet people say it's unstable and horrible.. ok. 

They want every part of the market. Having server parts does not mean the consumer side of things are mature and stable enough.

 

4 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Ryzen is extremely stable, but even if it wasn't, do you think that the OP's kids are doing anything mission critical? 

Intel Core, has been out for almost 10+ years, compared to Ryzen's where it's barely even a year old. 

If it's mission critical that company, will go with Intel, where it's been mature long enough that, they won't have to worry about the unexpected.

The same when op builds the system for his kids.

 

3 hours ago, tom_w141 said:

Mind is blown how you managed to spend so much money and build a meh PC. Locked i5? Buying an i5 or any Intel cpu right before coffeelake??

 

This fits the budget, looks badass and has room to grow/upgrade.

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/tom_w141/saved/#view=m8szyc

 

Target user is a 13 year old kid. Not someone heading off in to college. CoffeeLake was never the intended upgrade path for this build. They can upgrade to whatever Intel or AMD has 5+ years from now. As for your build. It's missing a OS and why bother getting a SATA based M.2? It's offer no performance improvements and your making OP's life difficult if he needs to attached that SSD to another system, when there is no M.2 slot.

 

4 hours ago, DocSwag said:

-Source plz? The only real issue as far as I'm aware was memory compatibility.

-SSHD doesn't give you SSD like performance. If HDD performance was 0 on a scale and SSD was 100 an SSHD would be around 30.

-Why such a friggin expensive b250 mobo?!?

-With this kind of a budget you're better off getting windows from kinguin or using windows unactivated instead of paying £100 that coulda been used on gpu 

• No source. It's called waiting for the platform to mature a bit longer and stabilized, before it can be recommended to a end user. Now if you're the person that likes to deal with nonsense problems and likes to tinker with your system, then go with AMD Ryzen.
• SSHD offers SSD like performance not equal performance. It gives the user a snappier response when using their computer, compared to a traditional HDD.
• OP can opt for the MicroATX version of that board.
• If you like to run windows unactivated or buy it from the bum down the digital alley, do it to your own build. Not to a build that's for someone else.

[DocSwag]

3 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

• No source. It's called waiting for the platform to mature a bit longer and stabilized, before it can be recommended to a end user. Now if you're the person that likes to deal with nonsense problems and likes to tinker with your system, then go with AMD Ryzen.
• SSHD offers SSD like performance not equal performance. It gives the user a snappier response when using their computer, compared to a traditional HDD.
• OP can opt for the MicroATX version of that board.
• If you like to run windows unactivated or buy it from the bum down the digital alley, do it to your own build. Not to a build that's for someone else.

• You are making a claim that Ryzen has stability issues. And then you come around and say you have no evidence for it having stability issues. How does that make any sense at all?!? You made the claim. You have to back it up.
• SSD like? A more accurate term is "a bit better than hdd performance". It can only cache a few thing so outside the os and a few apps everything else will be like an hdd. Go open a game? Hdd performance. Go open an application you use once every week? Hdd performance.
• Or just get a cheaper b250 board instead of spending £40 extra that could've been used to get a 120gb ssd
• And why not? It's a suggestion, if op is fine with doing that and saving a fair bit of money that could be put into the gpu or something else, then they can do that. If they don't want to, then they don't have to. It's still their choice.

[NumLock21]

Just now, DocSwag said:

• You are making a claim that Ryzen has stability issues. And then you come around and say you have no evidence for it having stability issues. How does that make any sense at all?!? You made the claim. You have to back it up.
• SSD like? A more accurate term is "a bit better than hdd performance". It can only cache a few thing so outside the os and a few apps everything else will be like an hdd. Go open a game? Hdd performance. Go open an application you use once every week? Hdd performance.
• Or just get a cheaper b250 board instead of spending £40 extra that could've been used to get a 120gb ssd
• And why not? It's a suggestion, if op is fine with doing that and saving a fair bit of money that could be put into the gpu or something else, then they can do that. If they don't want to, then they don't have to. It's still their choice.

• Stability as in wait for the platform to mature. AMD Ryzen is barely a year old, compared to Intel Core that's been out for 11 years. Only a non techie is going to suggest Ryzen to a regular end user.
• OP can opt for SSD+HDD if he's willing to maintain the system for optimal use. Now if he doesn't want to deal with every single time his kids comes and complains that SSD is full. He's better off with a SSHD or to save a few bucks a standard HDD.
• OP can get a cheaper B250 mobo
• If op likes to run their system in a half-a** way or by going with your suggestion, then yes it's their choice.

[DarkSmith2]

6 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Ryzen is extremely stable, but even if it wasn't, do you think that the OP's kids are doing anything mission critical? 

i guess every task can be mission critical if you dont maintain your PC properly, which is expected from a 13yr old.

[Droidbot]

3 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

• Stability as in wait for the platform to mature. AMD Ryzen is barely a year old, compared to Intel Core that's been out for 11 years. Only a non techie is going to suggest Ryzen to a regular end user.
• OP can opt for SSD+HDD if he's willing to maintain the system for optimal use. Now if he doesn't want to deal with every single time his kids comes and complains that SSD is full. He's better off with a SSHD or to save a few bucks a standard HDD.
• OP can get a cheaper B250 mobo
• If op likes to run their system in a half-a** way or by going with your suggestion, then yes it's their choice.

Dell is deploying Ryzen in machines that I would call 'end user' left and right. 

 

How long the series has been out does not matter, as the platform has changed radically during that time. The shift from chipset to PCH and then DMI1-2-3 being an example.

 

Ryzen has had the same problems as X99, X58, early Skylake.. and yet it's a stable good platform, unlike what you seem to think. 

 

7 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

OP can opt to add a ssd if he wants to. Just note that he will have to copy files everytime to the hdd, cause the ssd getting full and files were not saved to the hdd in the first place.

 

Your mixing consumer stability over enthusiast stability.

 

No you would get Intel if he wants to set it and forget it.

 

They want every part of the market. Having server parts does not mean the consumer side of things are mature and stable enough.

It does, hence why there was a delay between Ryzen release and Naples/TR release. 

HEDT is stable since release as AMD knows not to enforce 2T on RAM otherwise shit hits the fan. 

[DocSwag]

4 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

• Stability as in wait for the platform to mature. AMD Ryzen is barely a year old, compared to Intel Core that's been out for 11 years. Only a non techie is going to suggest Ryzen to a regular end user.
• OP can opt for SSD+HDD if he's willing to maintain the system for optimal use. Now if he doesn't want to deal with every single time his kids comes and complains that SSD is full. He's better off with a SSHD or to save a few bucks a standard HDD.
• OP can get a cheaper B250 mobo
• If op likes to run their system in a half-a** way or by going with your suggestion, then yes it's their choice.

• I don't understand what you're trying to say. What part of the platform exactly is bad? Plus while Intel Core has been out for 11 years, the current platform, LGA 1151, has only been out for 2
• You're paying $20 more on the SSHD for not a big performance boost. That money is better off going towards an SSD. Of course an SSD isn't big enough, what I'm saying is get an SSD+HDD

[NumLock21]

20 minutes ago, Droidbot said:

Dell is deploying Ryzen in machines that I would call 'end user' left and right. 

 

How long the series has been out does not matter, as the platform has changed radically during that time. The shift from chipset to PCH and then DMI1-2-3 being an example.

 

Ryzen has had the same problems as X99, X58, early Skylake.. and yet it's a stable good platform, unlike what you seem to think. 

 

It does, hence why there was a delay between Ryzen release and Naples/TR release. 

HEDT is stable since release as AMD knows not to enforce 2T on RAM otherwise shit hits the fan. 

Hey if your a enthusiast and want a build for $1000, I won't mind configuring a AMD Ryzen build for that budget because I know you might have the time and resources to figure out if some issue pops up. But for OP's kids who want to use their computer for homework, playing video games, edit photos, watch movies, etc. I would still stick to a Intel build. If op wants a AMD Ryzen, then all he has to do is just swap the cpu and board or whatever else he wants to change.

[Droidbot]

5 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Hey if your a enthusiast and want a build for $1000, I won't mind configuring a AMD Ryzen build for that budget because I know you might have the time and resources to figure out if some issue pops up. But for OP's kids who want to use their computer for homework, playing video games, edit photos, watch movies, etc. I would still stick to a Intel build. If op wants a AMD Ryzen, then all he has to do is just swap the cpu and board or whatever else he wants to change.

The problem is that view is flawed.

 

Sure, Ryzen has problems if you use high end stuff like high speed memory. But for a kid's first PC, it's more than enough. I have friends that are around this age range with 7500s and RX480s, and others with R51600 and 1060s. They're both stable systems, owned by two different people. Ryzen would be awesome because he can do what he wants while gaming or even just doing other tasks, instead of having 100% CPU load and having his music stutter while gaming. 

 

If Dell are deploying Ryzen in their latest Inspiron machines, it is more than fine for a consumer. 

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5 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Hey if your a enthusiast and want a build for $1000, I won't mind configuring a AMD Ryzen build for that budget because I know you might have the time and resources to figure out if some issue pops up. But for OP's kids who want to use their computer for homework, playing video games, edit photos, watch movies, etc. I would still stick to a Intel build. If op wants a AMD Ryzen, then all he has to do is just swap the cpu and board or whatever else he wants to change.

There's not going to be any issues because they've all been worked out; you seem to underestimate the fact that people have been trying really hard to fix ALL the bugs, and have done so successfully over the last 8 months.

8 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

No you would get Intel if he wants to set it and forget it.

 

They want every part of the market. Having server parts does not mean the consumer side of things are mature and stable enough.

 

Intel Core, has been out for almost 10+ years, compared to Ryzen's where it's barely even a year old. 

If it's mission critical that company, will go with Intel, where it's been mature long enough that, they won't have to worry about the unexpected.

The same when op builds the system for his kids.

 

Target user is a 13 year old kid. Not someone heading off in to college. CoffeeLake was never the intended upgrade path for this build. They can upgrade to whatever Intel or AMD has 5+ years from now. As for your build. It's missing a OS and why bother getting a SATA based M.2? It's offer no performance improvements and your making OP's life difficult if he needs to attached that SSD to another system, when there is no M.2 slot.

there's literally no difference between kabylake and ryzen stability, both platforms are the same age (kabylake is 1 month older...). Their server chips use the same dies as consumer ones, and the consumer ones acted as guinea pigs for the HEDT and servers, because once they know all the issues with consumer ryzen and have fixed them, they're going to release the server/HEDT because they know that it will be 100% stable.

 

You can't compare naming schemes mate... Intel Core has changed a lot architecturally over those ten years. It's not like kabylake is running 45nm transistors is it?

The only two similar architectures are skylake and kabylake as they are on 14nm design and have near identical internal structure. And they've been out for only 2 years, with the new platform being younger than a year....

 

Comparing OP's kid's daily computing system to something like a R'n'D server at NASA? Why?

You correctly pointed out the SATA M.2; I'm going to conquer with you here and say to OP: never get a SATA M.2 - no difference to regular SATA drive, but slightly more expensive.

[Ashleyyyy]

15 hours ago, Droidbot said:

The problem is that view is flawed.

 

Sure, Ryzen has problems if you use high end stuff like high speed memory. But for a kid's first PC, it's more than enough. I have friends that are around this age range with 7500s and RX480s, and others with R51600 and 1060s. They're both stable systems, owned by two different people. Ryzen would be awesome because he can do what he wants while gaming or even just doing other tasks, instead of having 100% CPU load and having his music stutter while gaming. 

 

If Dell are deploying Ryzen in their latest Inspiron machines, it is more than fine for a consumer. 

music stutter? i use spotify for music, and even on my "ancient" core 2 quad machine, it uses 2 to 5% while playing stuff. it's highly unlikely that music will stutter when gaming. even on budget systems. 

[Droidbot]

8 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

music stutter? i use spotify for music, and even on my "ancient" core 2 quad machine, it uses 2 to 5% while playing stuff. it's highly unlikely that music will stutter when gaming. even on budget systems. 

During the Ghost Recon Wildlands Beta, I was playing music (MP3 320) in VLC on my 4670k and the music was stuttering