Ryzen 7 overclock is trolling

[Itayush]

Specs: Ryzen 7 1700, MSI x370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM, Corsair LPX 2x8GB 3000MHz C15, MSI 1080, EVGA 750W supernova.

CPU Freq was on Auto and gave me up to 3200MHz (with Auto voltage up to 1.2V or something), RAM was on 2133 or 2333(can't remember) and Auto timings.
So, I ran CINEBENCH R15 + AIDA64 stability test for 10-15 min and it all worked fine.

Then I changed the RAM Freq to 2933 and put the correct timings and voltage as shown on the sticks (16,17,17,17,36 - 1.36V).
Ran CINEBENCH R15 + AIDA64 for 10-15 again, worked fine with no issues/instability at all.

Then I changed the CPU Freq from Auto to 3400MHz and 1.30V.
Loaded everything up, then looked at HWMonitor and it shows Min-97MHz, Max-3500MHz, Value(current freq) - 1550MHz.
I ran CINEBENCH R15 and it still remained on maximum of 1550MHz.
Checked CPU-Z and it shows Core Speed 1550MHz, Multiplier x15.5.

For some reason, its only using 1550MHz instead of 3500MHz.
Could anyone shed some light over here? I am so confused..

**I did update to the latest BIOS.
**I tried 3.4GHz aswell, but got the same result.
 

 

[paddy-stone]

You need to show us your BIOS settings.

[Brooksie359]

It looks like the cpu has 3500 as its max speed but doesn't want to go to that speed. I would honestly just set the frequency to 3.5 on all cores all the time.

[Itayush]

14 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

You need to show us your BIOS settings.

 

7 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

It looks like the cpu has 3500 as its max speed but doesn't want to go to that speed. I would honestly just set the frequency to 3.5 on all cores all the time.

sorry, forgot to add the BIOS screenshots.
Any ideas?
I've never experienced or heard about this issue before.

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Itayush said:

 

sorry, forgot to add the BIOS screenshots.
Any ideas?
I've never experienced or heard about this issue before.

Turn off the core performance boost the downcore control and maybe even the game boost function control. 

[Brooksie359]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

Turn off the core performance boost the downcore control and maybe even the game boost function control. 

This is just a suggestion on what could fix the problem.

[Itayush]

5 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Turn off the core performance boost the downcore control and maybe even the game boost function control. 

 

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

This is just a suggestion on what could fix the problem.

Core performance boost should only change how much more it gives, not that it should downgrade the freq..
Downcore is related to the amount of cores, not the freq..
Game Boost  Function Control - Still not 100% sure what it does, but I am quite sure that it says that it can only be enabled/disabled through the button on the MOBO it self, and I did not touch it so..

Any genius idea out there guys? 

[Brooksie359]

5 minutes ago, Itayush said:

 

Core performance boost should only change how much more it gives, not that it should downgrade the freq..
Downcore is related to the amount of cores, not the freq..
Game Boost  Function Control - Still not 100% sure what it does, but I am quite sure that it says that it can only be enabled/disabled through the button on the MOBO it self, and I did not touch it so..

Any genius idea out there guys? 

Well have you tried it yet or just assumed it won't work? Often times a fix might not make sense but will actually work regardless of how much sense it makes. 

[Itayush]

8 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Well have you tried it yet or just assumed it won't work? Often times a fix might not make sense but will actually work regardless of how much sense it makes. 

That's true, which is why I actually did try to disable both, but nothing changed.. =\

[Brooksie359]

Just now, Itayush said:

That's true, which is why I actually did try to disable both, but nothing changed.. =\

Dang though it was worth a try. I would honestly just go back to stick settings. Or just out of curiosity what happens when you change the oc explore mode? Does it show you more settings or anything that could be helpful?

[Itayush]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

Dang though it was worth a try. I would honestly just go back to stick settings. Or just out of curiosity what happens when you change the oc explore mode? Does it show you more settings or anything that could be helpful?

I did change it to default settings (Auto), but I obviously do want to OC for better performance..
I did check it and it gave I think just 1 more option which was irrelevant for my situation..
This is very weird.. I really hope someone with enough experience/knowledge will be able to think of a solution.

 

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Itayush said:

I did change it to default settings (Auto), but I obviously do want to OC for better performance..
I did check it and it gave I think just 1 more option which was irrelevant for my situation..
This is very weird.. I really hope someone with enough experience/knowledge will be able to think of a solution.

 

I know I had heard that there was an issue with the newer msi bios and overclocking but I did hear there was a beta bios that fixed it.

[Itayush]

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I know I had heard that there was an issue with the newer msi bios and overclocking but I did hear there was a beta bios that fixed it.

Idk, I hate updating to beta BIOS versions..

5 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

It's called idle clocks?

 

The fuck? stop trolling us.

Wonderful member of our community you are.

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Look at the cinebench score. That isn't just idle clocks and you shouldn't go calling people trolls without taking the time to carefully read the post.

Thank you.

[Evolution90]

 

 

The CB score is most likely dropping because of your Windows power plan settings, set it to high performance.

 

That image shows his CPU is hitting 3.5 or AIDA would not show it doing so, that's the maximum clock speed hit.. clearly you guys missed that.

[Brooksie359]

3 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

 

 

The CB score is most likely dropping because of your Windows power plan settings, set it to high performance.

 

That image shows his CPU is hitting 3.5 or AIDA would not show it doing so, that's the maximum clock speed hit.. clearly you guys missed that.

Yes but it wouldn't make sense for it to hit 3500 but still get such a low cinebench score. Anyways regardless of what the issue is you don't go and attack someone who is trying to get help. Pretty positive it's against community standards.

[Itayush]

10 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

 

 

The CB score is most likely dropping because of your Windows power plan settings, set it to high performance.

 

That image shows his CPU is hitting 3.5 or AIDA would not show it doing so, that's the maximum clock speed hit.. clearly you guys missed that.

The value is not moving and is stable at 1550MHz while running CB and while runnning AIDA64.
My power plan in WIN is on High Performance.
It says that 3500MHz is max, but it never reaches that. It remains on 1550MHz idle or on load.

[Evolution90]

Just now, Itayush said:

The value is not moving and is stable at 1550MHz while running CB and while runnning AIDA64.
My power plan in WIN is on High Performance.
It says that 3500MHz is max, but it never reaches that. It remains on 1550MHz idle or on load.

Ok that's fair enough.

 

Disabled power states in the bios?

 

 

[Itayush]

14 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

Ok that's fair enough.

 

Disabled power states in the bios?

 

 

The options in the power management section in BIOS are disabled (by default)..

Btw, when it's on Auto and it's stable on 3200MHz(as I mentioned), one-three of the cores in a random order occasionally jumps to 3750MHz for 0.5 second. It's not related, but I am also a bit confused about that.

Obviously my biggest concern is the fact that I am unable to overclock atm.

[Itayush]

Anyone else has bright ideas? Any clues?
This really doesn't make any sense..

[rijzen]

22 minutes ago, Itayush said:

Anyone else has bright ideas? Any clues?
This really doesn't make any sense..

Yes it is a known bios issue, changing the voltage from Auto in the bios causes a hard lock at 1550mhz, only the oldest bios and the newer beta bios fix this from msi. You can however leave it on auto and use ryzen master to change clocks to core and voltage and bypass the bug. I found for my board beta bios 1.52 fixed the issue.

[Guest]

Man another 1.55Ghz issue its known to be an issue with other boards as well. Luckily i have't seen it. 

 

Jump the bios i guess and start from there. 

[Big Head Tech]

Had the same issue with my x370 prime and Asus said to doa it.

[paddy-stone]

Sorry for the very late reply, have been very busy today. As others have already mentioned, it could be a bug, I have heard of some boards having issues, mostly MSI last I heard. I have no first hand knowledge of the bug or possible fixes, but best thing to do IMO is contact MSI for support, they should have way more info on problems and fixes for their own boards. I don't see if you mentioned how long you've had the board, but if you only just got it you might be able to return it to the retailer as faulty and get a different board... if you have that option that's what I would go with personally.

[Porkchop62882]

Try leaving the voltage on auto and just setting the CPU ratio to 35. It really shouldn't need 1.3v to hit that overclock. I have the same chip and it runs @3.7 on auto voltage no problem.

 

Your chip is jumping to 3.75 on one or two cores because of the XFR feature. Mine does the same...even overclocked to 3.7 it will jump to 3.85 on one or two cores when needed. I thought overclocking disabled this feature but that appears not to be the case. Maybe because I have water cooling and there's enough thermal headroom?

 

Also try using an XMP profile instead of manually tuning your ram. I have mine set on "xmp1" and running 2933 without issue.

 

Just a few suggestions 

 

Hope that helps!