WHEN ARE THE ASUS RAMPAGE x299 MOBOS COMING?

[TahoeDust]

Just now, DrMikeNZ said:

I get 1720cb on my R7 1700....

Slow.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

It is until Threadripper comes out.

Thats like saying the RX 580 is competing with the 1080Ti untl Vega comes out...... 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, TahoeDust said:

Slow.

That's like what 400 points less for how much less money? 

[Max_Settings]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Thats like saying the RX 580 is competing with the 1080Ti untl Vega comes out...... 

No it's not. Because the i7-7820X is priced similarly to the R7 1800X

[TahoeDust]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

That's like what 400 points less for how much less money? 

~28% for slower.  For the price difference over the next 3 years...yeah.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

No it's not. Because the i7-7820X is priced similarly to the R7 1800X

Actually the 1800X is about $300 cheaper than the i7-7820X

 

Oh and the Ryzen motherboards are cheaper and dont require any special hoops. 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, TahoeDust said:

For the price difference over the next 3 years...yeah.

I dont think that's an argument..... 

[TahoeDust]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I dont think that's an argument..... 

Why not?  For the additional $500-$600 I will enjoy ~28% more performance over the length of ownership for the machine.  That is completely relevant when making a hardware investment.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, TahoeDust said:

$500-$600 I will enjoy ~28% more performance

 

Just now, TahoeDust said:

That is completely relevant when making a hardware investment.

The density levels are off the charts! 

[MoonlightSylv]

6 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

~28% for slower.  For the price difference over the next 3 years...yeah.

X299 isn't bad in terms of performance, and if you like it that's great. But it's not something that a lot of people here would buy over Ryzen/Threadripper because of the price/performance differences in setups (including motherboard) being much better with Ryzen. I'm not saying that Ryzen is more powerful, because it's not. What I'm saying is that it's currently a better value for most people.

 

But hey if you're going to fully utilize all 6 cores and 12 threads of that to their fullest potential, maybe it was a good purchase for you.

[TahoeDust]

Obviously Ryzen is the better value.  For this machine performance was obviously a bigger factor for me than value.

 

To scoff and dismiss x299 is both arrogant and ignorant.

[Drak3]

26 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

its about not buying bad platforms.

Then you're probably one of the last people who should be giving advice.

 

As it stands, X299 has an IPC advantage, clockspeed advantage, and an AVX1/2/512 advantage (isn't hindered, quad channel when AVX benefits from that bandwidth, SLX has it, All those reasons are respective to the order in which I list them and the AVX version). Which gives X299 better long term viability, which is completely ignored with the short sighted price/performance comparisons.

Hell, just going with the current claim of price/performance comparison is HEAVILY flawed, as and Ryzen 7 @ 4GHz or so is outpaced by the 6700K/7700K in AVX workloads, and damn near matches the 7600K. That's Ryzen overclocked to its wits, not able to match Intel's equivalents in pricing. In an instruction set that actually matters to the target audience of X299.

Hell, some of Intel's most expensive first and second generation Core i chips are just now becoming non-viable for high end gaming and overall great performance, when the "value" chips become non-vialbe after a year or two due to software requirement increases.

 

Hell, anyone on one of Intel's older enthusiast platforms hasn't really felt the need to upgrade unless they explicitly need the core count or single core performance that a newer platform provides. Neither of those are happening with most users. Those few upgrading from the still highly viable platforms to X299, like @done12many2, are doing so because they're enthusiasts and like having new and shiny toys to be playing with, and will tell you that the old platforms are still viable, and that isn't going to magically change with X299.

 

However, unless AMD has a proverbial rabbit in their hat, TR will have only one advantage, more (weaker) cores for a lower cost. But in tasks that many X299 users are more prone to have, which benefit from AVX, 2 of AMD's Zen cores will roughly equate to 1 Sky/Kaby core of similar clockspeed.

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Then you're probably one of the last people who should be giving advice.

 

As it stands, X299 has an IPC advantage, clockspeed advantage, and an AVX1/2/512 advantage (isn't hindered, quad channel when AVX benefits from that bandwidth, SLX has it, All those reasons are respective to the order in which I list them and the AVX version). Which gives X299 better long term viability, which is completely ignored with the short sighted price/performance comparisons.

Hell, just going with the current claim of price/performance comparison is HEAVILY flawed, as and Ryzen 7 @ 4GHz or so is outpaced by the 6700K/7700K in AVX workloads, and damn near matches the 7600K. That's Ryzen overclocked to its wits, not able to match Intel's equivalents in pricing. In an instruction set that actually matters to the target audience of X299.

Hell, some of Intel's most expensive first and second generation Core i chips are just now becoming non-viable for high end gaming and overall great performance, when the "value" chips become non-vialbe after a year or two due to software requirement increases.

 

Hell, anyone on one of Intel's older enthusiast platforms hasn't really felt the need to upgrade unless they explicitly need the core count or single core performance that a newer platform provides. Neither of those are happening with most users. Those few upgrading from the still highly viable platforms to X299, like @done12many2, are doing so because they're enthusiasts and like having new and shiny toys to be playing with, and will tell you that the old platforms are still viable, and that isn't going to magically change with X299.

 

However, unless AMD has a proverbial rabbit in their hat, TR will have only one advantage, more (weaker) cores for a lower cost. But in tasks that many X299 users are more prone to have, which benefit from AVX, 2 of AMD's Zen cores will roughly equate to 1 Sky/Kaby core of similar clockspeed.

The defense of Intel is real

[done12many2]

7 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

The defense of Intel is real

 

The game is played both ways bud as you seem to do the same for Ryzen.

 

Either way, maybe go buy one and use it?  I hear they're great.  

 

9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Hell, anyone on one of Intel's older enthusiast platforms hasn't really felt the need to upgrade unless they explicitly need the core count or single core performance that a newer platform provides. Neither of those are happening with most users. Those few upgrading from the still highly viable platforms to X299, like @done12many2, are doing so because they're enthusiasts and like having new and shiny toys to be playing with, and will tell you that the old platforms are still viable, and that isn't going to magically change with X299.

 

I'm tweaking the x99 rig right now.  Such a great platform to be honest.  

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, done12many2 said:

The game is played both ways bud as you seem to do the same for Ryzen.

Im not defending Ryzen. The only thing ive done is say that x299 is quite dumb (and most everyone agrees) and that Ryzen is cheaper. 

 

Sure x299 can perform great but only if you break out of the "performance/dollar" mindset that is so prevalent in this community. 

[done12many2]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Im not defending Ryzen. The only thing ive done is say that x299 is quite dumb (and most everyone agrees) and that Ryzen is cheaper. 

 

Sure x299 can perform great but only if you break out of the "performance/dollar" mindset that is so prevalent in this community. 

 

So you understand that everyone already knows this.  Does it feel good to echo?  

 

We know, it's expensive.  I also know it's fast as fuck.  Thanks though.  

[Drak3]

8 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

The defense of Intel is real

I'm not exactly Intel's #1 fan, but I'll defend them from the stupid and undeserved bitchfest revolving around X299. Just like how I'll defend the lack of AVX performance on Ryzen as a consumer platform.

 

3 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

maybe go buy one and use it

I'm working on it. Just need more money, and mah fursuit is taking priority.

3 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

I'm tweaking the x99 rig right now.  Such a great platform to be honest.

I almost wish I would have just saved another $200 or so and gotten a board that could accommodate 4 GPUs without turning other shit off.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, done12many2 said:

So you understand that everyone already knows this.

So you know its value is trash, yet you buy it anyway? 

 

Sounds similar to a certain four legged animal with a woolly coat. 

[Shakaza]

10 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

The defense of Intel is real

That's...not an argument. Ugh, at this point, there are only a few people keeping me interested in the forum. Dalekphalm, LawLz, MageTank, Drak3, Prysin, and a few others, because they actually make compelling arguments and don't simply defend or hate on a company based on their absurd preconceptions about it. For them, the evidence and reasoning come before the conclusion. For so many others, it seems to be the inverse.

[Masada02]

36 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

Who gives a shit?  That is like asking someone that bought a sports car what MPGs it gets.  

I'd just like to say that I average 19mpg out of my sports car.

 

Not that it matters, or that I care.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Shakaza said:

and don't simply defend or hate on a company based on their absurd preconceptions about it.

I dont hate Intel, I hate x299 because it is a blatant half a**sed knee jerk attempt to respond to Threadripper and Ryzen. 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

So you know its value is trash, yet you buy it anyway?

Value is dictated by both need and/or want. For an editing rig that uses AVX enabled soft, you know what Ryzen 7's value is? Pretty fucking small, lower than the 7700K and 7800X, both are in the same ballpark as the R7 1700 twins.

 

Otherwise, I can say the same exact thing about you using Mac.

[Drak3]

Just now, Masada02 said:

I'd just like to say that I average 19mpg out of my sports car.

 

Not that it matters, or that I care.

I'll trade you my Dakota for it. I need something smaller than my behemoth 2500 that also gets better fuel mileage than it.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Otherwise, I can say the same exact thing about you using Mac.

And you can, but if you look at the rest of my sig you could know why I own a Mac. 

[Masada02]

Just now, Drak3 said:

I'll trade you my Dakota for it. I need something smaller than my behemoth 2500 that also gets better fuel mileage than it.

Hard pass