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My friend always compare amd ryzen 5 1500x 4 core between intel core i3 7320 only witch 2 core.................. so more core more better perfomance of gaming ............. or not ???? 

my issue is already finished after i buy gpu to my motherboard msi b350m mortar ............ i pround of it........ thank you for solve my problem......so back to my friend issue ( more core more better or not??????)............

 

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The Ryzen is basically Skylake i7 clocked lower

 

@RadiatingLight The ryzen guy please come

"Make it future proof for some years at least, don't buy "only slightly better" stuff that gets outdated 1 year, that's throwing money away" @pipoawas

 

-Frequencies DON'T represent everything and in many cases that is true (referring to Individual CPU Clocks).

 

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2 minutes ago, Just to know said:

JUST WAIT FOR THE RYZEN KNOWLWDGE MAN .............THK

He visited 5 hours ago

what about looking @Freezoide profile because he describes it

"Make it future proof for some years at least, don't buy "only slightly better" stuff that gets outdated 1 year, that's throwing money away" @pipoawas

 

-Frequencies DON'T represent everything and in many cases that is true (referring to Individual CPU Clocks).

 

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@Freezoide can you help me to solve my friend issue             more core more

 better perfomance of gaming or not  ????

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Just now, Just to know said:

@Freezoide can you help me to solve my friend issue             more core more

 better perfomance of gaming or not  ????

:)

 

Haven't you see his last post (latest i mean since he isn't active)? 

"Make it future proof for some years at least, don't buy "only slightly better" stuff that gets outdated 1 year, that's throwing money away" @pipoawas

 

-Frequencies DON'T represent everything and in many cases that is true (referring to Individual CPU Clocks).

 

Mention me if you want to summon me sooner or later

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Note 10, S10, Samsung becomes Apple, Zen 2, 3700X, Renegade X lol

 

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Games still benefit more from higher IPC and clock speed.

That said, many games are starting to use more cores and that's why 4-cores/4-threads i5 are starting to show its limitations.

So yes, more cores/threads = better to a certain point.

 

For example R5 1500X, R5 1600 is a way better choice than any i5 right now.

But R7 1700 won't perform better than R5 1600 in games if they will be clocked the same.

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simple answer: no, not in all cases

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in basic terms there's 3 things that contribute to cpu performance:

- instructions per cycle. this isnt so much a "number" as it is a concept, this is essentially how much "work" can be done in one clock cycle. it's dependant on your cpu architecture, and the specific application/specific part of the cpu the application needs. if going full explanation, this one gets REAL complex, best to just stick it to "ipc" if we're not talking hardware specialists :P

- clock speed. higher = more performance

- core count, or more specificly, the core count your application can make use of. for example flight simulator X is all single core, so while you may have a beast of a 32core processor, the application can only use one, so it'll be equally fast as a comparable ipc/clockspeed dualcore processor.

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R5 1500x might lose to an i3, with the name 7350k if someone manages to push it past 5.5GHz (just a guess, but needs to be a very high clock speed).

 

the i3 7320 is locked but all Ryzens aren't. i3 7320 will lose in every comparison between the two (unless Ryzen chip was set to give a disadvantage)

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11 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

(unless Ryzen chip was set to give a disadvantage)

how specificly would one "set to give" a processor a disadvantage over another processor?

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4 minutes ago, manikyath said:

how specificly would one "set to give" a processor a disadvantage over another processor?

lower maximum core clock multiplier, turning off cores etc

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

lower maximum core clock multiplier, turning off cores etc

thats not giving the processor a disadvantage, thats falsifying results ;)

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4 hours ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

The Ryzen is basically Skylake i7 clocked lower

 

@RadiatingLight The ryzen guy please come

not really.

It's more like broadwell.

 

in terms of IPC, Ryzen is closest to broadwell, which means that sky/kaby lake have a slight advantage in IPC, as well as clock speed. however, Ryzen makes up for this by offering more cores and more threads at lower price points.

 

the only reason that the 1500X is not the same as something like a 4790K is because Ryzen is made of two units of 4 cores, basically like a mini dual-CPU setup, all in one die. this means that the latency between some cores, if they are on different CCXs, is way higher than on intel chips, which limits game performance a bit.

 

overall, I'd compare the 1500X to an i5, something like the 4670 is beaten by the 1500X in gaming, and the 1500X crushes every single i5 in number crunching, due to it's higher raw power.

 

the real golden star of the Ryzen lineup however is the 1600. right now, it beats even a 7600K overclocked in some scenarios, and the higher core count allows for much more consistent and higher minimum framerates, which IMO are more important than averages.

 

so i'd set them up like this

 

Ryzen 3 = Probably crushes the i3 lineup. nobody knows

Ryzen 5 1400 > i5 7400

Ryzen 5 1500X > i5 7500

Ryzen 5 1600 > i5 7600K overclocked.

 

right now, no Ryzen CPUs can compete with the i7 6700K or 7700K in pure gaming unfortunately, although with optimizations in the future, Ryzen might get a lot better, with the 1600 possibly competing against the 6700K, but that's not happening right now.

 

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7 hours ago, Just to know said:

My friend always compare amd ryzen 5 1500x 4 core between intel core i3 7320 only witch 2 core.................. so more core more better perfomance of gaming ............. or not ???? 

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I'm not exactly sure where your friend is getting his information from a I3 7320 is a kaby-lake dual core with HT and its clocked at 4.1Ghz it doesn't matter if it was a 7350K I3 and had it OC to 4.8Ghz a Ryzen 1500X is still a better deal gamernexus and several other sites proved it.

 

Even a 1500X at stock beats a 7350K which is clocked higher then a 7320. 

Edit LOL even at 5Ghz the I3 loses to a stock 1500X in gaming let alone other software

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2875-amd-r5-1600x-1500x-review-fading-i5-argument/page-4

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