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Just now, RedScorpion said:

Blocks the some of the ram slots from what ive heard/seen

Corsair Vengeance is a standard low profile RAM it should be fine

[BluJay614]

Just now, RedScorpion said:

Blocks the some of the ram slots from what ive heard/seen

This is a screenshot of how the upgrade guide Coolermaster has listed on their site. It's the same for a few of their coolers.

[RedScorpion]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

Corsair Vengeance is a standard low profile RAM it should be fine

Ok. MAYBE i will consider the 1600

[dizmo]

I'd get an SSD for your original build. I can't imagine having a computer without one. I've also banned HDDs from all of my full fat builds going forward.

Aside from that you have a K processor with a B series motherboard. You can't overclock, you're wasting money.

It just doesn't seem like a very well balanced build tbh. If you're looking to OC later with an i7, get a Z board and a Pentium.

 

38 minutes ago, RedScorpion said:

Traumatic* 

 

I know many people who like amd but I also know many who have had a bad experience with them and find that i5 is better. I made my verdict and decided intel, not and aha. Now if there's a i7 I could squeeze in please let me know

You can't really "find the i5 to be better". It can be proven by fact..

34 minutes ago, 21rkosta said:

@RedScorpion one you cant find a cpu to be better, cpus are clearly benchmarked and proven one better than the other, but ok if you want to go i5-7600k route i wont stop you just make sure you get a z270 board for overclocking, also the 6700 is a good cpu, its the same as the 6700k with the only difference being it does not support overclocking

Not quite the same, it's clocked lower.

34 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

ryzen is amazing, if you wanna be the fool who gets the i5, you will regret it in 1-2 years when ur CPU is struggling to run new games.

Except that won't happen. CPUs don't lose their performance that quickly. Even if it does in the tail end of the 2 year mark, upgrades to an i7 would be cheap. By then Ryzens IPC will probably be shit compared to what new stuff is out.

Your logic is flawed.

32 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

even now, an i5 will be bottleneck anything over a gtx 1060/ rx580. 

Simply not true.

30 minutes ago, 21rkosta said:

the 6800k is a cpu that i would definitly reccomend to you, its on par with the ryzen cpu we keep reccomending and it is an i7 allthough it is kind of expensive it would make a great cpu for this build if you insist you wont use ryzen

Doesn't work with his current build, even as an upgrade.

22 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

how? you are acting like a fanboy 

Having a preference to one brand over another doesn't make someone a fan boy. People can decide they like one brand and would rather not use something else. Brand loyalty is a thing. Constantly badgering someone because they don't want to use your preferred brand is childish.

21 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

There are valid reasons for not using ryzen, you just haven't given any.

The fact he doesn't like AMD should be reason enough.

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Just now, RedScorpion said:

Ok. MAYBE i will consider the 1600

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/TNcYcf

 

 

TBH if you come here asking for help/advice and don't listen to any/some of it then there is no point for us to give you any advice

 

[RedScorpion]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

I'd get an SSD for your original build. I can't imagine having a computer without one. I've also banned HDDs from all of my full fat builds going forward.

Aside from that you have a K processor with a B series motherboard. You can't overclock, you're wasting money.

It just doesn't seem like a very well balanced build tbh. If you're looking to OC later with an i7, get a Z board and a Pentium.

 

You can't really "find the i5 to be better". It can be proven by fact..

Not quite the same, it's clocked lower.

Except that won't happen. CPUs don't lose their performance that quickly. Even if it does in the tail end of the 2 year mark, upgrades to an i7 would be cheap. By then Ryzens IPC will probably be shit compared to what new stuff is out.

Your logic is flawed.

Simply not true.

Doesn't work with his current build, even as an upgrade.

Having a preference to one brand over another doesn't make someone a fan boy. People can decide they like one brand and would rather not use something else. Brand loyalty is a thing. Constantly badgering someone because they don't want to use your preferred brand is childish.

The fact he doesn't like AMD should be reason enough.

So a Z motherboard would be better? also I decided to go with an i7 for now so what Z board would ya recommend?

[RedScorpion]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/TNcYcf

 

 

TBH if you come here asking for help/advice and don't listen to any/some of it then there is no point for us to give you any advice

 

I listen to people who arent badgering me about AMD this and AMD that. 

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Just now, RedScorpion said:

So a Z motherboard would be better? also I decided to go with an i7 for now so what Z board would ya recommend?

Z motherboard if you overclock. To overclock you need a K processor.

[21rkosta]

@RedScorpion a z motherboard means you can overclock, it matches the K overclockable cpus, if you get an i7 that is called the 6_ _ _ go with the z170 but if you get an i7 that is 7_ _ _ go with a z270 mobo

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Just now, 21rkosta said:

@RedScorpion a z motherboard means you can overclock, it matches the K overclockable cpus, if you get an i7 that is called the 6_ _ _ go with the z170 but if you get an i7 that is 7_ _ _ go with a z270 mobo

Ahh thanks! Makes deciding how to build my PC easier

[BluJay614]

1 minute ago, RedScorpion said:

So a Z motherboard would be better? also I decided to go with an i7 for now so what Z board would ya recommend?

All the Z mobo will do is add on a few extra features, let you oc, and add extra cost.

 

1 minute ago, RedScorpion said:

I listen to people who arent badgering me about AMD this and AMD that. 

If you are deadset on Intel, then don't worry about the sorry sacks of shit who won't respect that. In the original post, you said you where looking for a better value. That's why I've been advising of Ryzen.

[dizmo]

4 minutes ago, RedScorpion said:

So a Z motherboard would be better? also I decided to go with an i7 for now so what Z board would ya recommend?

If you have a K series CPU, or it has the features you want and the lower tier boards don't, then yes.

Just pick the brand you like, then find the one that has the features you want with the look you like. Boom. Board picked. There's too many options for me to go through picking out the good ones only to have you say you need x feature.

 

[The Sloth]

15 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Having a preference to one brand over another doesn't make someone a fan boy. People can decide they like one brand and would rather not use something else. Brand loyalty is a thing. Constantly badgering someone because they don't want to use your preferred brand is childish.

 

read that to yourself, choosing a ryzen 1600 over an i5 because of reasons would be considered non fanboyish? 

also, i didn't ask for your opinion on "Constantly badgering someone because they don't want to use your preferred brand is childish", OP was asking for a suggestion, funny how you choose my statement to attack. 

18 minutes ago, dizmo said:

The fact he doesn't like AMD should be reason enough.

in this scenario, the ryzen 1600 is clearly better 

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Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

read that to yourself, choosing a ryzen 1600 over an i5 because of reasons would be considered non fanboyish? 

also, i didn't ask for your opinion on "Constantly badgering someone because they don't want to use your preferred brand is childish", OP was asking for a suggestion, funny how you choose my statement to attack. 

in this scenario, the ryzen 1600 is clearly better 

IF you look i did mention no amd in my op

[The Sloth]

1 minute ago, RedScorpion said:

IF you look i did mention no amd in my op

ok NVM, get an i5 7600k, get a Z270 mobo to OC, you can also try to get a 6700k/ 7700k.  

 

2 minutes ago, RedScorpion said:

IF you look i did mention no amd in my op

it really doesn't matter to me personally, it's your build, we were trying to give you a better option. 

[dizmo]

7 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

read that to yourself, choosing a ryzen 1600 over an i5 because of reasons would be considered non fanboyish? 

also, i didn't ask for your opinion on "Constantly badgering someone because they don't want to use your preferred brand is childish", OP was asking for a suggestion, funny how you choose my statement to attack. 

in this scenario, the ryzen 1600 is clearly better 

If you prefer Intel, you prefer Intel. A person doesn't even need to have a reason to have that preference. It's their preference, not yours. If it's better or not is irrelevant if Intel is really what they're after. You told him it is, which is helpful, anything after that is badgering. If you can't see that, that's your problem.

[The Sloth]

28 minutes ago, dizmo said:

By then Ryzens IPC will probably be shit compared to what new stuff is out.

yup, shitty IPC, my 5960x has the same problem with "shitty IPC" 

[PCGuy_5960]

8 hours ago, RedScorpion said:

Like I said, I dont want to get a 1600 as I already made my decision towards intel. 

Why? Fanboyism is stupid, the 1600 is much better than the 7600K. PERIOD

 

If you have to get an Intel CPU, get an i7 7700 non K, the 7600K is not worth it

[DocSwag]

Nobody seems to have bothered to give a source for why they're choosing a 1600 over a 7600k based system, so I'll be the one to do it.

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2875-amd-r5-1600x-1500x-review-fading-i5-argument/page-4

 

While at first you might see the 7600k consistently winning in averages and think that I'm proving you right, what you have to look at are minimums. I believe there's only one game where the OCed 1600x loses in minimums to the 7600k and where the stock 1600x loses in minimums to the stock 7600k (that game being Watch Dogs 2). Watch dogs 2 tends not to run very well on Ryzen so I don't think that that's a thing in Intel's favor.

 

So while the i5 might, on average, give higher fps, Ryzen is going to give you a smoother and more consistent experience. I would personally much rather have a gaming experience that is more consistent rather than one that goes up and then down a lot more.

 

I haven't even got to the part where Ryzen ends up cheaper. If you get a 1600+B350 board+16gb ram you're going to usually end up around $70 cheaper than a 7600k based build (1600 is $30 less than 7600k, b350 boards are $20-$30 cheaper than z270 boards, 1600 comes with a decent cooler whereas with the i5 you need to buy a $20 or so aftermarket cooler). Granted, in your case the aftermarket cooler point isn't relevant but you still end up $50 cheaper for what is, in my opinion, a better experience.

[RedScorpion]

1 hour ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Why? Fanboyism is stupid, the 1600 is much better than the 7600K. PERIOD

 

If you have to get an Intel CPU, get an i7 7700 non K, the 7600K is not worth it

It's not fanboyism my friend? It's just a simple preference. Have a good day!

 

50 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Nobody seems to have bothered to give a source for why they're choosing a 1600 over a 7600k based system, so I'll be the one to do it.

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2875-amd-r5-1600x-1500x-review-fading-i5-argument/page-4

 

While at first you might see the 7600k consistently winning in averages and think that I'm proving you right, what you have to look at are minimums. I believe there's only one game where the OCed 1600x loses in minimums to the 7600k and where the stock 1600x loses in minimums to the stock 7600k (that game being Watch Dogs 2). Watch dogs 2 tends not to run very well on Ryzen so I don't think that that's a thing in Intel's favor.

 

So while the i5 might, on average, give higher fps, Ryzen is going to give you a smoother and more consistent experience. I would personally much rather have a gaming experience that is more consistent rather than one that goes up and then down a lot more.

 

I haven't even got to the part where Ryzen ends up cheaper. If you get a 1600+B350 board+16gb ram you're going to usually end up around $70 cheaper than a 7600k based build (1600 is $30 less than 7600k, b350 boards are $20-$30 cheaper than z270 boards, 1600 comes with a decent cooler whereas with the i5 you need to buy a $20 or so aftermarket cooler). Granted, in your case the aftermarket cooler point isn't relevant but you still end up $50 cheaper for what is, in my opinion, a better experience.

Ok thanks for going more in depth! I'll definitely consider it as you actually explained to me unlike the others lol. Thanks!