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Whichever has the features you need and looks cooler. They're both B350 boards, so there can't be too much of a difference. 

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Neither. MSI boards have problems with Ryzen.

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Just now, Zed_ said:

which one then? ASUS?

Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, whichever gives enough SATA ports, RAM slots, B350 chipset at the cheapest price.

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12 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Neither. MSI boards have problems with Ryzen.

What issues?

 

If you're referring to the long post times, they've been mostly fixed. I asked someone on the forum recently and they said it's only around 13 sec or so for them.

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3 minutes ago, Zed_ said:

hmm, Asrock is good then?

ASrock, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, even Biostar are all fine. Some people have issues with them and others have a great experience. Just research a bunch and then pick the one you like best. 

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Just now, DocSwag said:

What issues?

 

If you're referring to the long post times, they've been mostly fixed. I asked someone on the forum recently and they said it's only around 13 sec or so for them.

There's still hope for me to get an MSI board? I knew they'd fix the problems, but didn't know how long it'd take. 

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1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

There's still hope for me to get an MSI board? I knew they'd fix the problems, but didn't know how long it'd take. 

I think so.

 

Of course, I think 13sec is a bit longer than other mobos but it's nothing unbearable.

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8 minutes ago, Zed_ said:

hmm, Asrock is good then?

AsRock is made of ex Asus employees and pack nice features into their boards. Haven't had a problem with them so far. 

 

Edit: all manufactures have both good and bad products so everyone's individual experience will vary. Some of MSI boards look really nice.

 

 

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Just now, DocSwag said:

Of course, I think 13sec is a bit longer than other mobos but it's nothing unbearable.

Meh. I don't need my desktop to boot instantly. It's really opening applications that bugs me when it's slow.

 

2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

I think so.

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5 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

There's still hope for me to get an MSI board? I knew they'd fix the problems, but didn't know how long it'd take. 

I was msi fanboy like you in their Gaming Pro Carbon lineup. So here are my favorites: 

Noctua

LG

SeaSonic

Fractal Design

MSI

 

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I'd get the Tonyhawk, but seriously, the Tomahawk seems to look cooler and features are about the same. 

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15 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

I was msi fanboy like you in their Gaming Pro Carbon lineup. So here are my favorites: 

Noctua

LG

SeaSonic

Fractal Design

MSI

 

Yup yup yup. My faves would be:

EVGA

Corsair

MSI 

Phanteks

SeaSonic

Etc. 

 

Though since I have a beautiful MSI Gaming 980 Ti 6G, I should probs get an MSI mobo to go with it. And we should move this to a PM so we don't hijack this thread ;).

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Motherboard: ASRock Z690 ITX/ax ASUS Pro B550M-C/CSM Apple J713AP Mac-F221BEC8 (Mac Pro 5,1)

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OS: Gentoo Linux TrueNAS Scale macOS 26 Tahoe Fedora Linux

 

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Mouse: EVGA X17

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So op about the motherboard i think the tomahawk is still decent for anyone so i take a word that is "recommended"

"Make it future proof for some years at least, don't buy "only slightly better" stuff that gets outdated 1 year, that's throwing money away" @pipoawas

 

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