7900X reviewed!

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Okay let's be real here...

 

The amount of times AVX is argued as important here is the same as how 8 cores is suddenly "very important" on those Ryzen threads awhile ago

[leadeater]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

I know you said or  I just can't fathom why a 10 core should even weigh in here. 8 vs 8 I get it. 10 vs 8 I don't.

Then the upcoming TR release is irrelevant and shouldn't be compared to these current Intel CPUs even if they cost less because they have more cores?

[done12many2]

Just now, leadeater said:

Then the upcoming TR release is irrelevant and shouldn't be compared to these current Intel CPUs even if they cost less because they have more cores?

 

Scary similar post.  I'm locking my doors now.  

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, Pohernori said:

Okay let's be real here...

 

The amount of times AVX is argued as important here is the same as how 8 cores is suddenly "very important" on those Ryzen threads awhile ago

 

Agreed, neither is a necessity, but it's nice to have both if you can.  

[PCGuy_5960]

3 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

I know you said or  I just can't fathom why a 10 core should even weigh in here. 8 vs 8 I get it. 10 vs 8 I don't.

Alright 8 vs 8:

[Taf the Ghost]

15 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

THIS IS RYZEN'S TRUE AVX PERFORMANCE:

The FX-8370 was a base clock of 4.0 Ghz and a boost of 4.3 Ghz.  Ryzen 7 1800X is base clock of 3.6 Ghz with a boost of 4.0 Ghz. So on the assumption of the single-core boost level being the important one, Zen was roughly a 267% IPC increase in AVX instructions uplift for AMD.  AMD should catch up in their next generational improvement.

 

Also, that's not the most thread-aware of programs, it would seem. On Broadwell-E, 25% more cores produces about a 9% improvement. (Though it seems to really get the most out of the Intel 8c parts, interestingly enough. And 5930k over the 6800k is odd.)

[tom_w141]

8 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Then the upcoming TR release is irrelevant and shouldn't be compared to these current Intel CPUs even if they cost less because they have more cores?

TR has a 10 core.

[tom_w141]

10 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

So how about we just forget the whole Ryzen vs Skylake-X thing because they weren't even meant to compete with one another?  

 

When Threadripper is here, we'll get back to arguing.  

Waded so deep into the price/performance war (which I still think is relevant sorry :p) That I forgot this  ^

[VagabondWraith]

Want the best? Buy Intel. Want value? Buy AMD. 

 

Value means NOTHING to me if I want the best! So who again delivers the best? That's right, INTEL. If VALUE trumps all else, whose the best? AMD.

 

It's simple. There's no denying the FACT that INTEL has the BEST regardless of price!

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

TR has a 10 core.

That original core "leak" seems to not be accurate.  We don't know we're getting 10c or 14c parts.  They *can* do it, but we've no proof they *are*. For now, it looks a lot like 2-3 SKUs of 12c & 16c parts.

 

Also, we'll never stop arguing. Most of us got into Tech arguing about it. Haha.

[PCGuy_5960]

3 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

TR has a 10 core.

Let's compare 8 cores to 8 cores 

7 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

 

[Drak3]

11 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

So how about we just forget the whole Ryzen vs Skylake-X thing because they weren't even meant to compete with one another?

Even though Ryzen7 was meant to partially compete with Haswell-E and Broadwell-E's 6 and 8 cores? I think low end SLX is a great competitor to R7. Especially that $390 7800X.

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, VagabondWraith said:

Want the best? Buy Intel. Want value? Buy AMD. 

 

Value means NOTHING to me if I want the best! So who again delivers the best? That's right, INTEL. If VALUE trumps all else, whose the best? AMD.

 

It's simple. There's no denying the FACT that INTEL has the BEST regardless of price!

So, how's your Ferrari doing?

 

Also, it's a question of your Use Case. "Best" is always subjective to that.

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

TR has a 10 core.

 

Yep.  It's going to be interesting to see how that works out.  The TR 10 core is forced to hop CCXs a bit more then Ryzen 7 and the current Intel 10 cores and we pretty much already know the max clock speed.  Much better thermals, more PCIe lanes.  Who knows how it's going to turn out?

 

Either way, we're all still winning.  

 

Just now, tom_w141 said:

Waded so deep into the price/performance war (which I still think is relevant sorry :p) That I forgot this  ^

 

I think anyone who debates in support of Intel in a price/performance war is fighting a losing battle. 

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Just now, done12many2 said:

Agreed, neither is a necessity, but it's nice to have both if you can.  

 

Oh ho definitely. I'd wish these chips were soldered and weren't such furnaces. 

But the world isn't perfect... yet  

 

This release is great despite what others are saying. 

 

But when it came both camps argued so hard for features that we can't really say were used very extensively. 

[Drak3]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

So, how's your Ferrari doing?

A ferrari can't offroad or haul a trailer, so it's worthless as per both categories.

 

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Also, it's a question of your Use Case. "Best" is always subjective to that.

No, value is subject to that. Best is best, no matter what.

[Drak3]

8 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

I think anyone who debates in support of Intel in a price/performance war is fighting a losing battle. 

7700K vs 1800X: AVX performance.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

A ferrari can't offroad or haul a trailer, so it's worthless as per both categories.

 

No, value is subject to that. Best is best, no matter what.

You proved my point with the first response. What is "Best" is only ever in regard to the Use Case.  For an 8-core generalized workout, I imagine the i7-7820X is probably the "best" CPU when cost is removed from the equation.  (Ignoring that cost is *never* out of the equation.) However, cost matters, just less when we get to "Enthusiast" equipment.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

7700K vs 1800X: AVX performance.

Per the Y-cruncher chart the i7-6950X is 88% faster than the Ryzen 7 1700.  On Newegg at the moment, the i7 is 467% more expensive. ($1450 vs $310)

 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

Per the Y-cruncher chart the i7-6950X is 88% faster than the Ryzen 7 1700.  On Newegg at the moment, the i7 is 467% more expensive. ($1450 vs $310)

 

You missed one small detail

The 7600K is 7% better and costs 30% less than the 1700

[OriAr]

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8225/intel-core-i9-7900x-series-skylake-cpu-review/index.html

 

Has this review been posted yet? Looks like another BIOS update has helped gaming performance somewhat

[Drak3]

5 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

You proved my point with the first response. What is "Best" is only ever in regard to the Use Case.

No, the Ferrari is just another shit car but with a high price tag. Objectively, vans and trucks are the best vehicles for everything except fuel efficiency. And only because good

4 cylinders in trucks have all but died. So, the stopgap is a decent SUV or crossover made to offroad and for light towing.

5 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

For an 8-core generalized workout, I imagine the i7-7820X is probably the "best" CPU when cost is removed from the equation.  (Ignoring that cost is *never* out of the equation.) However, cost matters, just less when we get to "Enthusiast" equipment.

That's value based on use case. Use case doesn't justify the cost, it isn't a good value.

2 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Per the Y-cruncher chart the i7-6950X is 88% faster than the Ryzen 7 1700.  On Newegg at the moment, the i7 is 467% more expensive. ($1450 vs $310)

 

Huh. Ask for a $340 quadcore and $500 octocore, get a $1500 decacore and a $330 octocore.

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, OriAr said:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8225/intel-core-i9-7900x-series-skylake-cpu-review/index.html

 

Has this review been posted yet? Looks like another BIOS update has helped gaming performance somewhat

That's good, I can't visit the website because I refuse to disable AdBlock

[tom_w141]

27 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Alright 8 vs 8:

Graphs can be scary and very unrepresentative. Here is the summary at a glance with %s that paint a far more accurate picture than numbers in the millions  sorry it took awhile the amount of times I had to minimise this was insane  Btw a negative indicates a win just because of the sheet layout. Excluding the AES row.

 

[The Benjamins]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Huh. Ask for a $340 quadcore and $500 octocore, get a $1500 decacore and a $330 octocore.

The 1800x was never value oriented so it would make more sense to compare the 7700k to a 1700 value wise.

 

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Graphs can be scary and very unrepresentative. Here is the summary at a glance with %s that paint a far more accurate picture than numbers in the millions  sorry it took awhile the amount of times I had to minimise this was insane  

 

What CPU's are you comparing?