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Are you concerned by shrinking internet freedom/rights?  

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  1. 1. Are you concerned?

    • Yes, a lot
      35
    • Yes, a little
      29
    • Unconcerned
      5
    • Less than unconcerned
      1
    • Not at all
      4
    • All the censorship!!!
      1

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I'm going to keep my post as unbiased as possible, even though I hold strong opinions on this. Please don't devolve this into a political discussion, because if that happens, it'll get locked. Please focus on educated, civil discussion on internet censorship broadly, or the recent censorship cases discussed by the group; anything else that's educated, civil, etc. will probably be fine, but I'm not a mod. Again, please no politics.

 

 

 

A new internet freedom group has emerged today. They have dubbed themselves, "Free Our Internet."

 

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Free Our Internet (www.freeourinternet.org) is a non-profit citizen group whose mission is educate the public about how leftist super-elites and their powerful corporate allies in Silicon Valley have methodically used their wealth and political influence to erode the public's internet freedoms and destroy alternative media. Our goal is to empower the public to fight back against the tech-left's well-funded war to control our means of communication, information, organizing, and mobilizing: the internet. Free Our Internet and its supporters stand for free speech and expression online, protecting the diversity of ideas, and opposing government actions that undermine internet openness and transparency.

Sources: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/free-internet-launches-expose-silicon-121500236.html

http://freeourinternet.org

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Try again. It isn't just our internet that is broken. We need a civil war to re institute a proper non corrupt government. 

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2 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Try again. It isn't just our internet that is broken. We need a civil war to re institute a proper non corrupt government. 

Every government is corrupt, or will be corrupt soon. You're naive to think otherwise.

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I'm wondering if the "left" in US politics is different from the "left" here in the UK. For us, it's the "right" that are doing all the (arbitrary) censoring. 

 

 

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If you think it's just internet freedom that's the problem, you're being very optimistic. 

 

Several times around the world a similar thing has happened; the global society or empire of the time grew so big its societal systems couldn't keep up, order broke down and the society collapsed. There are a few factors involved, every time; societal collapse, mass immigration, dramatic climate change, famine and epidemics. The only things we are lacking is for society to collapse further and an epidemic, but that is surely coming with antibiotic resistant diseases evolving fast.

 

We are in some serious trouble, and internet privacy is a tiny sign of this. 

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Just now, Oshino Shinobu said:

I'm wondering if the "left" in US politics is different from the "left" here in the UK. For us, it's the "right" that are doing all the (arbitrary) censoring. 

 

 

I don't keep as up to date with UK politics as US politics, but I'm fairly informed, and from what I've seen, both sides in the the UK support some kind of internet censorship or logging. Internet freedom, security, privacy, etc. sucks in most countries, but out of the Western countries, the UK is relatively piss poor.

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Just now, Kobathor said:

Every government is corrupt, or will be corrupt soon. You're naive to think otherwise.

Or incompetent. I think there's an overall lack of knowledge regarding the internet and most things related to complex technologies (encryption, for example) in most governments. Here in the UK we're having legislation that's trying to be pushed through to block/put restrictions on "adult" sites, but it's worded in a way that will inadvertently block all of the major social media sites. It's even more scary how vaguely worded a lot of the legislation is, giving our government the power to basically block what they want and spy on what they want with very little restrictions on their power. 

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6 minutes ago, Kobathor said:

Every government is corrupt, or will be corrupt soon. You're naive to think otherwise.

I think at this point it is just the level of corruption. If all the people sitting around complaining actually did something things might change. I mean take the womens march, if each was armed and had intension supported by a chunk of the US. You could easily overthrown DC and any military attacks on them would look extremely bad and cause anyone on the fence to do the same. Hey

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Just now, Oshino Shinobu said:

Or incompetent. I think there's an overall lack of knowledge regarding the internet and most things related to complex technologies (encryption, for example) in most governments. Here in the UK we're having legislation that's trying to be pushed through to block/put restrictions on "adult" sites, but it's worded in a way that will inadvertently block all of the major social media sites. It's even more scary how vaguely worded a lot of the legislation is, giving our government the power to basically block what they want and spy on what they want with very little restrictions on their power. 

 

Remember when the UK government wanted to block porn by blocking everything that looked like lots of skin? But it just blocked everything vaguely orange. These people are useless.

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Am I the only one here that doesn't know what "left" means? I'm not well-versed in politics unless Stormcloaks and Imperials count.

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

I think at this point it is just the level of corruption. If all the people sitting around complaining actually did something things might change. I mean take the womens march, if each was armed and had intension supported by a chunk of the US. You could easily over thrown DC and any military attacks on them would look extremely bad and cause anyone on the fence to do the same. Hey

 

And the most corrupt, ambitious and greedy among the protestors would manoeuvre their way to the head of the organisation, lead this "revolution" and position themselves as de facto leaders of the new system, free to be as corrupt as they like.

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Am I the only one here that doesn't know what "left" means? I'm not well-versed in politics unless Stormcloaks and Imperials count.

 

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have a quick scan through.

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Just now, Rangaman42 said:

And the most corrupt, ambitious and greedy among the protestors would manoeuvre their way to the head of the organisation, lead this "revolution" and position themselves as de facto leaders of the new system, free to be as corrupt as they like.

Well that's the problem with people/

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

Well that's the problem with people/

I hear they're not to be trusted. Those "people", whatever they are...

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Just now, ARikozuM said:

I hear they're not to be trusted. Those "people", whatever they are...

This is why we need humans to be inferior and robots do the ruling. Wait what if they are corrupt...Well whatever

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

Well that's the problem with people/

Yup... It's what happened to the Russian revolution. Problem is, greed is human nature; everyone wants more than they have, it's just natural, it allows us to provide more effectively for our young.

No matter how well meaning, there will always be some who manipulate their way into leadership positions, and then abuse that power.

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2 hours ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

Or incompetent. I think there's an overall lack of knowledge regarding the internet and most things related to complex technologies (encryption, for example) in most governments. Here in the UK we're having legislation that's trying to be pushed through to block/put restrictions on "adult" sites, but it's worded in a way that will inadvertently block all of the major social media sites. It's even more scary how vaguely worded a lot of the legislation is, giving our government the power to basically block what they want and spy on what they want with very little restrictions on their power. 

 

The legislation is worded as vaguely as possible for the exact reason you specified. The more vague it is, the more control they assume.

2 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

I think at this point it is just the level of corruption. If all the people sitting around complaining actually did something things might change. I mean take the womens march, if each was armed and had intension supported by a chunk of the US. You could easily overthrown DC and any military attacks on them would look extremely bad and cause anyone on the fence to do the same. Hey

 

Lol.. We have elections for a reason, so we don't need to take our government by force.

Let me make your sentence less ludicrous - "If each went to their elections and voted for more competent representatives, things might change."

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I mean, technically speaking, we don't own the Internet. Anyone who knows about Internet's history, about how it started as a US military network that opened their infrastructure and then moved on to leave it as a commercial platform for trading and communication can tell it isn't something the consumer owns.

There were many institutions and councils that made the standards and "opened" it for everyone, but the bones of it are the physical connections, servers and equipment. It's money what keeps it afloat and commercial motives what keeps the investment going.

The only thing that people can actually do, instead of talking about big companies is, having state representatives (politicians from each country) use the law to make it a communication platform that is neutral and loyal to the population instead of the companies. And most important, having consumers opting and voting with their pockets. If people complains about Microsoft and Google's policies, then stop using them, invest time (and money) into open platforms, or platforms that have Internet neutral standards. 

These companies are from the US, a market driven country, if people buy into Facebook, then obviously Facebook is going to have more power and influence, as they are the ones moving the economy and growth.

I don't think it's rational complaining about what companies do and want, on all markets (physical and digital, products and services), companies will shape the scene to their advantage. Want change? then move away from the bad services (just like LMG is doing with Float Plane Club), and talk with the people that are close to you about the benefits of open software platforms (do it if they actually care about their privacy, we don't want preachers pushing people away from the services they like).

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Just now, Kobathor said:

The legislation is worded as vaguely as possible for the exact reason you specified. The more vague it is, the more control they assume.

Lol.. We have elections for a reason, so we don't need to take our government by force.

Let me make your sentence less ludicrous - "If each went to their elections and voted for more competent representatives, things might change."

That might help but would it though? The US doesn't have a complete democracy as nothing would get done. We elect individuals who we think will represent what we want. The problem is all of them are old and most voters are old.

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3 minutes ago, Rangaman42 said:

have a quick scan through.

Wow, that was quite an article. I read the whole thing and am a little less confused now.

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Just now, ARikozuM said:

Wow, that was quite an article. I read the whole thing and am a little less confused now.

It's probably a bit too technical :P Sorry, I'm at work and that was the first link.

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All I'm gonna say is please keep the hurr hurr w r legun anonymoose nerds far away from this fight.

 

 

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Just now, Mooshi said:

All I'm gonna say is please keep the hurr hurr w r legun anonymoose nerds far away from this fight.

They're not in the fight, the politicians aren't reading 4Chan posts.

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I think at this point it is just the level of corruption. If all the people sitting around complaining actually did something things might change. I mean take the womens march, if each was armed and had intension supported by a chunk of the US. You could easily overthrown DC and any military attacks on them would look extremely bad and cause anyone on the fence to do the same. Hey

I cannot recommend armed violence. Armed revolt is guaranteed to leave violent dissenters still loyal to the previous government, just ending in more violence. Armed revolt should only be used when absolutely necessary. You can't overthrow something violently without first defeating their ideas, and by that point, in a democracy, the government will eventually listen. Only when a non-democratic coup happens can I support armed revolt.

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