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Dell monitors have pretty bad 8ms+ input response lag anyway, so 120fps was kinda pointless. If Dell ever corrects that problem, then the boosted color brought to gaming would be nice.

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1 minute ago, nephilim2 said:

Dell monitors have pretty bad 8ms+ gtg response times anyway, so 120fps was kinda pointless. If Dell ever corrects that problem, then the boosted color brought to gaming would be nice.

OLED has excellent 0.1 ms response time,,,,,, it's not LCD panel 

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Just now, ALAN YIN said:

OLED has excellent 0.1 ms response time,,,,,, it's not LCD panel 

I understand that, but it's Dell. They have a known awful track record, and their input lag has always been awful too.

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i don't care about refresh rates just give me that sweet infinite contrast.

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Oh giddy, its finally happening!! Really expensive but still happening ?

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1 minute ago, ashypanda said:

i don't care about refresh rates just give me that sweet infinite contrast.

Limited to 1.07 billion colors, so there's no such thing. If you can't have all available colors, you can't have perfect contrast.

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At this point, isn't it just cheaper and easier to buy an OLED tv and activate gaming mode?

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Just now, rhyseyness said:

Known by who exactly?

Certainly not the gaming community.

Decent Dell monitors are ****ing awesome!

Not for gaming. Seriously, even LTT's reviews say it's great for productivity, but even as a 60Hz monitor, Dell just doesn't provide good twitch shooter gameplay experience because the input lag is a whopping 8ms.

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8 minutes ago, nephilim2 said:

Not for gaming. Seriously, even LTT's reviews say it's great for productivity, but even as a 60Hz monitor, Dell just doesn't provide good twitch shooter gameplay experience because the input lag is a whopping 8ms.

Erm... sounds like you're talking about one very specific monitor.

8ms is tiny for input lag, I'm pretty sure you're talking about pixel response time, which does not matter at all.

Go look at some "tftcentral" reviews of Dell monitors, and have a read of this:

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Erm... sounds like you're talking about one very specific monitor.

8ms is tiny for input lag, I'm pretty sure you're talking about pixel response time, which does not matter at all.

Go look at some "tftcentral" reviews of Dell monitors, and have a read of this:

Then come back to me :)

I've read them, and I'm sorry but there's a reason Acer is vastly preferred to Dell for twitch gaming. Dell's input lag and gtg response times are historically much higher than other monitors.

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9 minutes ago, nephilim2 said:

I've read them, and I'm sorry but there's a reason Acer is vastly preferred to Dell for twitch gaming. Dell's input lag and gtg response times are historically much higher than other monitors.

Even if youre correct, twitch gamers are a very small subset... I play games just fine on my dell u3415w. Csgo and overwatch includ3d. 

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44 minutes ago, nephilim2 said:

Limited to 1.07 billion colors, so there's no such thing. If you can't have all available colors, you can't have perfect contrast.

By contrast they're referring to max light emitted/minimum light emitted. Because oled's black pixels don't emit any light, it's "effectively infinite" since emitted doesn't take into account light reflected (which is affected by other things any ways).

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31 minutes ago, nephilim2 said:

Not for gaming. Seriously, even LTT's reviews say it's great for productivity, but even as a 60Hz monitor, Dell just doesn't provide good twitch shooter gameplay experience because the input lag is a whopping 8ms.

Hmmmm...8ms of unnoticeable lag and perfect blacks and vibrant colors.....or 4ms lag washed out colors and light bleed.....wonder which one I will choose. 

 

Dell monitors are great. Not sure why you have such a grudge against them

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Just now, mynameisjuan said:

Hmmmm...8ms of unnoticeable lag and perfect blacks and vibrant colors.....or 4ms lag washed out colors and light bleed.....wonder which one I will choose. 

 

Dell monitors are great. Not sure why you have such a grudge against them

8ms is noticeable when it costs you the match-winning shot in competitions.

 

I love Dells for productivity and coding, but the 120fps point is just really moot given Dell doesn't have the support for rapid system response. It is a great monitor. I'm just saying the 120fps loss is a tiny one, not really worth mentioning.

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35 minutes ago, nephilim2 said:

Dell's input lag and gtg response times are historically much higher than other monitors.

Tell me the next time you're playing a game where GRAY TO GRAY response times get you the winning kill.. I'll be waiting xD 

Dell is fine. I've used their monitors for gaming before, and the nicer ones are actually pretty good. This Acer monitor (the one I'm using rn) has a "5ms" response time (gtg) but I don't notice either way. 


There's no industry standard for measuring response times. A "1ms" monitor might actually take 7ms to respond to something.

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41 minutes ago, nephilim2 said:

I've read them, and I'm sorry but there's a reason Acer is vastly preferred to Dell for twitch gaming. Dell's input lag and gtg response times are historically much higher than other monitors.

Unless you actually read the manual and turn game mode or pick the correct Dell monitor for your use case.

 

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As you can see my U3014 in game mode is more than a match to any gaming focused monitor with the ability for it to not have terrible colour accuracy.

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16 minutes ago, nephilim2 said:

8ms is noticeable when it costs you the match-winning shot in competitions.

 

I love Dells for productivity and coding, but the 120fps point is just really moot given Dell doesn't have the support for rapid system response. It is a great monitor. I'm just saying the 120fps loss is a tiny one, not really worth mentioning.

If you are that hardcore into shooters where you need 240hz and 1ms of input then why even bother with 99% of monitors? This isnt just an issue related to this monitor or Dell in general. 

 

120fps would be nice but there are no displays currently that are OLED and have 120hz. This monitor is gorgeous and just bashing it because you cant play CSGO on it is a stretch as OLED is better in every other use case.

 

Hell I even use my LG 65C6 for gaming and in gaming mode its 24~ms. I dont notice the lag and I will take the amazing quality of OLED over a few ms of lag.

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Just now, mynameisjuan said:

If you are that hardcore into shooters where you need 240hz and 1ms of input then why even bother with 99% of monitors? This isnt just an issue related to this monitor or Dell in general. 

 

120fps would be nice but there are no displays currently that are OLED and have 120hz. This monitor is gorgeous and just bashing it because you cant play CSGO on it is a stretch as OLED is better in every other use case.

I'm not bashing it at all. In fact if you look all the way up the chain I actually was challenging the OP's disappointment, because it's a moot point.

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1 hour ago, Notional said:

At this point, isn't it just cheaper and easier to buy an OLED tv and activate gaming mode?

As far as I'm aware, gaming mode is ass across all models of TV. Kind of like the supposed refresh rate of some of them.

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Just now, Dabombinable said:

As far as I'm aware, gaming mode is ass across all models of TV. Kind of like the supposed refresh rate of some of them.

My LG C6 in gaming mode is around 24~ms. Due to a recent update I get HDR support in gaming mode as well. 

 

I wouldnt say its ass as most games with 24ms is nothing. Especially with the amount of picture quality gained. 

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2 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

My LG C6 in gaming mode is around 24~ms. Due to a recent update I get HDR support in gaming mode as well. 

 

I wouldnt say its ass as most games with 24ms is nothing. Especially with the amount of picture quality gained. 

Game mode does nothing for LCD TV, and isn't even necessary on OLED screens due to their nature. Which is what your LG C6 is-an OLED TV (which can suffer burn in as easily as the old rear projector TV).

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12 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

As far as I'm aware, gaming mode is ass across all models of TV. Kind of like the supposed refresh rate of some of them.

Some Vizios's goes under 17ms, but yeah, they are usually around 20ms for the good ones. But you cannot assume this Dell won't be in that category either. Next year when HDMI 2.1 should be standard, we should see Freesync get implemented too. I assume PS4/pro will get Freesync support, and especially Sony TV's will support freesync as well in gaming mode. That should lower input lag even more, as well as provide variable sync.

By then, what would the point be in these 1000+$ monitors? A tv would simply be better and cheaper (even with HDR), as well as have good (enough) input lag.

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38 minutes ago, Notional said:

Some Vizios's goes under 17ms, but yeah, they are usually around 20ms for the good ones. But you cannot assume this Dell won't be in that category either. Next year when HDMI 2.1 should be standard, we should see Freesync get implemented too. I assume PS4/pro will get Freesync support, and especially Sony TV's will support freesync as well in gaming mode. That should lower input lag even more, as well as provide variable sync.

By then, what would the point be in these 1000+$ monitors? A tv would simply be better and cheaper (even with HDR), as well as have good (enough) input lag.

Not sure why you think FreeSync decreases input lag. 

 

As for TV's, they don't tend to go over 60 Hz. And whether any will actually support FreeSync remains to be seen. 

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