i5-6600k to Ryzen 1800x or i7-7700k For gaming?

[AndriesM]

11 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Well, X99 is a more futureproof solution. In 3-4 years

Wait for X299 probably?

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

12 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Well, X99 is a more futureproof solution. In 3-4 years, you will be able to get a 6950X for $300 on ebay. But X99 is a more expensive platform, so I think that for gaming Z270 (with 7700K) is the best choice right now.

BTW, since you already own a Z170 board, just get a 7700K, it is a $300 upgrade and it will give you the best gaming performance you can get

 

Nah, x99 is just as future proof as Ryzen is(which means not). If we're going by that way in 3-4 years from now. We'll be able to get a $300 cpu that crushes the 6950X brand new. And get parts like the 1700 and 7700K for even cheaper. 

 

x99 is by itself already nearing the end of its cycle. x299 is what anyone who wants a hedt intel chip should be looking forward to. Nick Shih already claims he's prepping for the x299 OC formula board. 

 

 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, AndriesM said:

Wait for X299 probably?

You could do that but X99 is good enough. I believe that X299 will be more expensive...

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Pohernori said:

Nah, x99 is just as future proof as Ryzen is(which means not). If we're going by that way in 3-4 years from now. We'll be able to get a $300 cpu that crushes the 6950X brand new. And get parts like the 1700 and 7700K for even cheaper. 

CCXs will be holding Ryzen back though... Don't get me wrong, I do expect Ryzen to get closer to the 7700K in the following years (because games will be able to use more cores) but I don't think that it will surpass any X99 CPU...

[PCGuy_5960]

3 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

x99 is by itself already nearing the end of its cycle. 

This is why you can find 5820Ks for as low as $330

[AndriesM]

6 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

This is why you can find 5820Ks for as low as $330

Is that a good processor? Might be good for my build then?

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, AndriesM said:

Is that a good processor? Might be good for my build then?

Still an amazing chip. But you can't find it for $320 unless you live close to a microcenter....

[AndriesM]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Still an amazing chip. But you can't find it for $320 unless you live close to a microcenter....

Ok, in Holland it is 450

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, AndriesM said:

Ok, in Holland it is 450

Dat is expensive

[AndriesM]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Dat is expensive

Yeah really, but a R7 1700 is 350, and ya, I think Ryzen will become greater when games get "used" too more cores

 

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

CCXs will be holding Ryzen back though... Don't get me wrong, I do expect Ryzen to get closer to the 7700K in the following years (because games will be able to use more cores) but I don't think that it will surpass any X99 CPU...

 

That is if the optimizations remain the way they are and the industry as a whole conspires to not optimize a tiny bit for Ryzen. Though even if they don't there's not much of a problem with the performance now since they deliver performance that's relevant to the clock speed and ipc they give.

 

Ryzen doesn't need to get close to the 7700K since nothing else does. X99, AM4 has got nothing on a 5Ghz 7700K. A 6950x wouldn't beat it in games. 

 

Can't say much about the CCX design. But high speed ram does do more for Ryzen because of it. 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2865-ryzen-revisit-ram-overclock-windows-update-efi-updates/page-5

 

12 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

This is why you can find 5820Ks for as low as $330

*only in the great land of United States of America*

Used 5820Ks wouldn't even go for that cheap in my area

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Pohernori said:

Ryzen doesn't need to get close to the 7700K since nothing else does. X99, AM4 has got nothing on a 5Ghz 7700K. A 6950x wouldn't beat it in games. 

I was mostly talking about games that use more cores

2 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

Can't say much about the CCX design. But high speed ram does do more for Ryzen because of it. 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2865-ryzen-revisit-ram-overclock-windows-update-efi-updates/page-5

Yeah, I know, but you need Samsung B-die RAM to get speeds above 3200MHz, which is expensive AF.

[AndriesM]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yeah, I know, but you need Samsung B-die RAM to get speeds above 3200MHz, which is expensive AF.

Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

 

[PCGuy_5960]

4 minutes ago, AndriesM said:

Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

???

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I was mostly talking about games that use more cores

Nah, 7700K crushes everything because of its clock speeds and gaming price/perf. 

Nothing at this time will best a 7700k in gaming.

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yeah, I know, but you need Samsung B-die RAM to get speeds above 3200MHz, which is expensive AF.

 

Well I'd imagine most kits above 3200Mhz use samsung ICs. RAM kits at those kind of speed are expensive. Still there are options.

[AndriesM]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

???

Fast enough?

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Pohernori said:

Nah, 7700K crushes everything because of its clock speeds and gaming price/perf. 

2 exceptions:

• Battlefield 1
• Watch_dogs 2

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, AndriesM said:

Fast enough?

If they use Samsung B-dies, they are very good for Ryzen, if they don't, they aren't

[AndriesM]

3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If they use Samsung B-dies, they are very good for Ryzen, if they don't, they aren't

Can't find it. but on http://rymem.vraith.com/ it is on the list:"http://rymem.vraith.com/specific/17" 2nd kit

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

2 exceptions:

• Battlefield 1
• Watch_dogs 2

 

note the gaming price/perf

 

And its hard to give the win to the 6900k in bf1 if the difference in avg fps in not even 1. They're pretty much tied. 

Heh imagine that. A $1000 8 core chip tie with a $305 chip in a CPU intensive game. 6900k does win marginally in wd2. 

[PCGuy_5960]

11 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

note the gaming price/perf

 

And its hard to give the win to the 6900k in bf1 if the difference in avg fps in not even 1. They're pretty much tied. 

Heh imagine that. A $1000 8 core chip tie with a $305 chip in a CPU intensive game. 6900k does win marginally in wd2. 

But the 5820K also beats the 7700K in those games and it is cheaper

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

But the 5820K also beats the 7700K in those games and the it is cheaper

 

Any links to that? 

 

and pcpp seems to suggest that the 5820k is more expensive than the 7700K.

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Pohernori said:

Any links to that? 

(6800K is at stock in this graph)

4 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

and pcpp seems to suggest that the 5820k is more expensive than the 7700K.

One word: Microcenter

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

9 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

(6800K is at stock in this graph)

 

That's pretty confusing. Assuming all CPU are stock in the graph the 6800K would be equal to an OC 5820K since its base and boosts clocks are higher than the 5820K 

 

Salazar's video features a 6700K that though has the same IPC but is clocked quite alot slower with only a boosts of 4.2 compare to the 7700k's 4.5Ghz. That is a whole 300Mhz slower. 

 

any links where the 5820k directly wins? I've only managed to find this not so well done video

 

9 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

One word: Microcenter

 

Ahem. USA != the world unfotunately

[PCGuy_5960]

3 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

That's pretty confusing. Assuming all CPU are stock in the graph the 6800K would be equal to an OC 5820K since its base and boosts clocks are lower than the 6800K 

Overclock the 5820K and the 6800K and the 5820K will pull ahead

3 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

Salazar's video features a 6700K that though has the same IPC but is clocked quite alot slower with only a boosts of 4.2 compare to the 7700k's 4.5Ghz. That is a whole 300Mhz slower. 

Both CPUs were overclocked to 4.6GHz

Edited April 6, 2017 by PCGuy_5960