8ms vs 5ms

[giorgi]

hi guys im going to buy a new monitor but im having a hard time deciding. the only place i can buy is amazon and i want an ips monitor and these are the monitors i picked Dell UltraSharp U2312HM 23 and ASUS VS239H-P 23 dells features are really good like the hdmi output and the usb hub  but will the longer response time make any real world difference in games

[ERSCreeper]

You will not notice any difference between 5 and 8ms

[flibberdipper]

Unless you're Linus, no.

 

EDIT: Ninja'd 

[sonarctica]

There is literally no difference, you can not possibly see difference between 5ms and 8ms

[ultimatemythbuster]

hi guys im going to buy a new monitor but im having a hard time deciding. the only place i can buy is amazon and i want an ips monitor and these are the monitors i picked Dell UltraSharp U2312HM 23 and ASUS VS239H-P 23 dells features are really good like the hdmi output and the usb hub  but will the longer response time make any real world difference in games

Considering I wouldn't use HDMI, I'd go with the faster response time.

[James_AJ]

it really doesn't matter in my eyes... I suppose you probably won't be able to see it either.

[Matsy]

There is no standard ms rating system, different manufacturers do it differently (grey to grey etc)

But you can't notice the difference, even up to like 20ms you won't notice anything.  

You will only notice at stupidly high numbers like 40ms or something, which only BAD tv's have.

 

The Input latency is the most important thing you need to look at, that can cause many issues.

[That Norwegian Guy]

Try to dig up the input latency numbers instead. If you can, they're usually not marketed.

[giorgi]

Unless you're Linus, no.

 

EDIT: Ninja'd 

i aint Linus so ill take your word for it

[giorgi]

thanks guys really helped 

[simtransporter]

longer response times usually means more motion blur, more visual artifacts when you have fast moving images, so I would suggest a lower response time to be more suitable for gaming. Although you could easily argue that the difference between 5ms and 8ms is barely noticeable.

 

 

I can sort of understand why some people think response time is important... Here's a quote from Wikipedia, bare in mind that Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source of information...

 

 

A worst-case response time of >16ms is insufficient for video gaming, due to the human eye being able to perceive differences in response times greater than 5ms. The difference between response times once below 10ms at 60Hz begin to become harder to perceive due to limitations of the human eye

 

In my honest opinion response time is important, but not as important as other things such as colour accuracy, viewing angles, and input lag like @Matsy mentioned

[ManOfDisguise]

No, you cant possibly notice  -/+3 miliseconds.

[IdeaStormer]

Unless you're Linus, no.

 

EDIT: Ninja'd 

 

If he can't read the spec he won't notice either. Would be a great test to do on the show.

[TymmVonD]

You may not see the difference, but I can tell in competive multiplayer, whether it's in game mode or standard with all the processing. Huge difference going from 5ms to 2ms. My friend in UK went from 5ms to 1ms and doesn't know why he didn't do this sooner.

[GoodBytes]

hi guys im going to buy a new monitor but im having a hard time deciding. the only place i can buy is amazon and i want an ips monitor and these are the monitors i picked Dell UltraSharp U2312HM 23 and ASUS VS239H-P 23 dells features are really good like the hdmi output and the usb hub  but will the longer response time make any real world difference in games

Response time is a "false" figure.

Here I explain why: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/29257-how-noticable-is-response-time/?p=372554

In sum, the problem is that they are no standard way to measure response time. Every manufacture is different, and sometimes it varies within different series (graphics/professional, gaming, budget monitors).

The prime problem, is that for every response time you see, they always mention "g-t-g", meaning "gray to gray", meaning the speed of changing from 1 gray to another. The problem is.. which gray? is it the same gray color, or extremely close, or are they very far apart? No standardization.

That aside, DO NOT get the Dell U2312HM. Get the NEWER model: Dell P2414H or P2314H (both the same, same resolution (1980x1080), just one is 24inch and the other 23inch).

What's improved?

-> No PWM back light control (this is very good. You don't want PWM.. ASUS has PWM to control the back light brightness).

-> A bit faster real life response time.

-> Different LG eIPS panel, that isn't plagued with manufacture errors (the U2312HM, was the early eIPS panels, which might explain why it had a lot of manufacture issues).

-> Reduce back light bleeding to very low levels

-> Super fast internal circuit, providing an impressive <2ms input lag. This beats nearly all TN panel, including gaming ones.

Full in-depth monitor review: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_p2414h.htm

While the the P2414H and P2314H are not part of the UltraSharp series, it shares the same 3 year warranty premium panel guaranty. Meaning 6 or more dead pixel, anywhere, no zones or distance policy -> replacement, and 1 or more stuck and bright pixel, anywhere, -> replacement.

Any RMA, including for dead/bright pixel, shipping is paid and arranged, BOTH direction by Dell (at least in Canada and US... it should be the same everywhere, but call to be sure, as your local laws might vary things).

Also, you get to keep the monitor, while you wait for the replacement one (in the box of the replacement, you'll find a pre-paid shipping label, just swap the monitors, and stick the pre-paid shipping label over the old one, and call the appropriate mail carrier to come and pick it up).

The U2312HM looks like it will be discontinued soon... probably Dell is emptying it's stuck.

In reality, when the U2312HM, it didn't make sense to arrive in the UltraSharp series, as it's a fairly low end for an UltraSharp series. I guess they put it inside, because it was an IPS panel. But now that Dell is transitioning away TN panel (an announcement they did several years back), I guess now it will return to the Professional (P) series.

[Mo5]

I was happily gaming on 12ms back in the day so 8ms really shouldn't be an issue

[aithos]

That quote about the human eye not being able to see anything less than a 5ms difference made me laugh, that's like saying "the human eye can't see more than 30fps so higher framerates don't matter".  It's completely untrue and misleading.  With that being said, you probably won't see any difference between a 5ms and 8ms if they are measured in similar fashion.  The problem is that every company measures it differently and it wouldn't surprised me if the same companies measured their own monitors differently.

 

As others have said:  the bigger deal is what the input/processing lag on the panel is.  Most IPS/PLS monitors have pretty significant lag (20-30ms) and if you play online multiplayer games at all you WILL notice that difference.  I strongly recommend against IPS panels for gaming if you play online multiplayer, if you play mostly single player AAA type games:  knock yourself out.  There is an Asus monitor with pretty low input lag, and some of the korean panels are decent (the bypass boards lacking scalers) but it all depends what you want and what your risk tolerance is.

 

If there was a glossy lightboost 144hz TN panel available today I'd be all about that, but I'm hoping that sooner than later we will see a true 120hz IPS 1440p monitor with lightboost in the next year or two!!  Go Asus, BenQ and Samsung!  Get to work on my monitor and make sure a glossy option is offered for people like me who can't stand matte coatings!

[Jaybird]

I can see the difference! I can see everything! trolling through. 

[TheArcheaon]

I personally enjoy 5ms. Every monitor I've ever bought but one was a 5ms (Only other MS monitor I've bought was a 3ms monitor) which I could notice the ghosting. 

[EChondo]

The Dell U2312HM does NOT have a HDMI port, it's displayport.

 

I have a U2312HM.