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[Aphexxis]

7 minutes ago, tomas710 said:

Fanboys, retards, trolls and idiots are annoying indeed. But what's the standard? Let's say you like Asus because you've had a good experience with them. Should we now BAN YOU FOR BEING A FILTHY ASUS FANBOY...or let you have your opinion as long as you're not hurting anyone? I got permabanned from Twitter for being an anti-feminist and a right winger, been banned from Facebook 4 times now, bad opinions are necessary for the important ones to be allowed. You cannot censor anyone without censoring everyone.

 

1 minute ago, SansVarnic said:

So very true.

Today's standard is thinned skinned.

We all have to be tolerant of each other,  the problem with such a precedent the more "tolerant" we aim for, the more intolerant we become.

Good posts.

[TheKDub]

2 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

I'd just stick a USB drive with the bios on it in the back of the motherboard and press the "recover my bios" button on the motherboard...

 

Not all motherboards have that function though.

[Fetzie]

1 minute ago, TheKDub said:

 

Not all motherboards have that function though.

All motherboards that I buy do (or have some equivalent functionality)

[tomas710]

2 hours ago, Aphexxis said:

it is hard to deal with such people.

That's an emotional argument. I'm sorry if I come off rude, but it seems to me you're sugesting censoring opinions, and you base that on them being ''hard to deal'' I've been told I'm a self-hating faggot (For the love of God I'm quoting and I am a fag, don't ''moderate'' this), that my uncles deserved to be killed by Pinochet, that I should have been killed by Pinochet too, that my shit opinions don't matter since I live in a shithole 3rd world country, I've been told I must be a rapist over an article I wrote on due process, those are their opinions, how they made me feel is irrelevant, people should be free to say whatever they want and I will defend the most annoying, self-righteous and stubborn fanboy if this site begins to silence them, there is no moral arbiter to say what's ''easy to deal'', so the same way you claim they are emotionally attached I reject your claim that they should be ''dealt with'' over your emotional response.

[AshleyAshes]

3 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

I'd just stick a USB drive with the bios on it in the back of the motherboard and press the "recover my bios" button on the motherboard...

And how would you do that on a motherboard that lacks that function?  :P. Cause your methodology is pretty useless on the motherboard in question.

[tomas710]

23 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

So very true.

Today's standard is thinned skinned.

We all have to be tolerant of each other,  the problem with such a precedent the more "tolerant" we aim for, the more intolerant we become.

Even neutral statements are offensive these days ... so sad  

This are all feminist progressives...the double standard is real mate.

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[stconquest]

I am so tempted.

[SansVarnic]

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

I am so tempted.

So am I but yeah ...

[stconquest]

7 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

So am I but yeah ...

Sometimes you gotta just say:  What's the point?  ...and let people vent.  Better here, than "out there".

[tomas710]

2 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Sometimes you gotta just say:  What's the point?  ...and let people vent. 

We get wonderfully dank memes tho

[stconquest]

okay

[Aphexxis]

Just now, stconquest said:

okay

Objectional thread, i'm not tied up in my own 1 way views

[stconquest]

5 minutes ago, Aphexxis said:

Objectional thread, i'm not tied up in my own 1 way views

I argue aggressively here.  Being that I have argued plenty coupled with the fact I am human, I am sometimes wrong.  When I do get proven wrong, I apologize... then thank the individual that corrected me.  I see this as easy and, in my case, lazy. 

 

Many here are smarter than me in many areas, and use patience to carefully argue their points.  I would recommend following that path, as I try to do... sometimes unsuccessfully. 

[SansVarnic]

Just now, stconquest said:

I argue aggressively here.  Being that I have argued plenty coupled with the fact I am human, I am sometimes wrong.  When I do get proven wrong, I apologize... then thank the individual that corrected me.  I see this as easy, and in my case, lazy. 

 

Many here are smarter than me in many areas, and use patience to careful argue their points.  I would recommend following that path, as I try to do... sometimes unsuccessfully. 

(I can vouch for that)

 

Good advice.

[risk]

On 3/18/2017 at 2:15 PM, manikyath said:

 (shutting down your system mid-update will still brick stuff, but that's kinda to be expected)

Late to the party, but as a software engineer, IMHO, this particular problem is just a bug with an easy fix that seemingly not enough people care about to fix

[manikyath]

43 minutes ago, risk said:

Late to the party, but as a software engineer, IMHO, this particular problem is just a bug with an easy fix that seemingly not enough people care about to fix

if you manage to shut down mid-write, you're gonna brick your bios, and unfortunately only very few motherboards have capabilities in place to fix a broken bios. and at that point software has very little to offer.

[risk]

2 hours ago, manikyath said:

if you manage to shut down mid-write, you're gonna brick your bios, and unfortunately only very few motherboards have capabilities in place to fix a broken bios. and at that point software has very little to offer.

No not really, if you can store 2 bios images (old and new), the code can read both of them, check checksums to see if they're complete, compare timestamps to pick the newer one if both are valid, and use that one; easy!

[manikyath]

7 hours ago, risk said:

No not really, if you can store 2 bios images (old and new), the code can read both of them, check checksums to see if they're complete, compare timestamps to pick the newer one if both are valid, and use that one; easy!

but that'd require hardware, not just software

[risk]

20 hours ago, manikyath said:

but that'd require hardware, not just software

Why?

[manikyath]

Just now, risk said:

Why?

because the bios is the very first piece of software that initializes on your system, no working bios is no life at all.

[risk]

8 minutes ago, manikyath said:

because the bios is the very first piece of software that initializes on your system, no working bios is no life at all.

Right, but why would special hardware be required?

[manikyath]

Just now, risk said:

Right, but why would special hardware be required?

because the things you described have to be done in dedicated hardware, because they need to initialize before the bios.

[risk]

2 hours ago, manikyath said:

because the things you described have to be done in dedicated hardware, because they need to initialize before the bios.

Actually, I was suggesting those things be done in the bios itself -- like today, the update would only update a part of the chip, however which part would be determined at update time.

 

It would not necessarily solve other problems with bad firmware or bad hardware causing issues, but pulling the plug mid way would be fine, and that "don't unplug your computer message" couldn't be replaced with "updating inactive copy; verifying; done"

[manikyath]

Just now, risk said:

Actually, I was suggesting those things be done in the bios itself -- like today, the update would only update a part of the chip, however which part would be determined at update time.

 

It would not necessarily solve other problems with bad firmware or bad hardware causing issues, but pulling the plug mid way would be fine, and that "don't unplug your computer message" couldn't be replaced with "updating inactive copy; verifying; done"

i think you underestimate the complexity of what you're suggesting.

[risk]

26 minutes ago, manikyath said:

i think you underestimate the complexity of what you're suggesting.

Possibly, but what makes you say that though.