Upgrading from my FX8350. Don't know what team to pick

[ssorc3]

I want to upgrade from my ancient processor but I don't know whether to go to Kaby lake or Ryzen. I mostly use my machine for gaming at 1440p. I'm just not sure the extra cores will benefit me compared to the single core performance. Suggestions? 

[JoeCoke]

I'd wait to see what the Ryzen r5 stuff does, and also wait to see if gaming performance changes any. That's what I'm doing actually. The 4/8 might be pretty good, but we won't know till we have benchmarks and reviews.

[The Sloth]

1440p depending on the game and multitasking you do, not that big of a difference. 1700 for more multitasking and power 7700k for pure gaming at highfps 1080p. 

[CostcoSamples]

I agree.  For 1440p gaming the difference is very small right now (7700k is in the lead though).  I would lean toward the Ryzen because games are always becoming more and more multi threaded. That is the direction the industry is going.  If you plan to have the CPU for several years, I think Ryzen will age much better.  It's also a brand new platform with lots of room to grow in terms of optimizations, support, etc.

[PCGuy_5960]

12 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

1440p depending on the game and multitasking you do, not that big of a difference. 1700 for more multitasking and power 7700k for pure gaming at highfps 1080p. 

FIFY

[The Sloth]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

FIFY

in 1440p won't be that big of a difference, in 1080p yes.  1440p resolution will be more bottleneck for the gpu 

[PCGuy_5960]

16 minutes ago, ssorc3 said:

I want to upgrade from my ancient processor but I don't know whether to go to Kaby lake or Ryzen. I mostly use my machine for gaming at 1440p. I'm just not sure the extra cores will benefit me compared to the single core performance. Suggestions? 

For gaming get the 7700K. Next generation GPUs will be almost 2x more powerful and Ryzen will bottleneck them...

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

in 1440p won't be that big of a difference, in 1080p yes.  1440p resolution will be more bottleneck for the gpu 

Yes, but in 2 years, when the 2080 Ti (or however they call it) is launched, it will be more powerful than a 1080 SLI and then Ryzen will be a bottleneck at 1440p....

[The Sloth]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yes, but in 2 years, when the 2080 Ti (or however they call it) is launched, it will be more powerful than a 1080 SLI and then Ryzen will be a bottleneck at 1440p....

 

6900k is a very OP cpu keep that in mind, it will take longer than that. 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

6900k is a very OP cpu keep that in mind, it will take longer than that. 

6900K????? Aren't we talking about Ryzen here?

[The Sloth]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

6900K????? Aren't we talking about Ryzen here?

ryzen is a cheaper 6900k? what are you talking about a 6800k is a 5820k. 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

ryzen is a cheaper 6900k?

In productivity, yes. But in gaming, no......

[The Sloth]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

In productivity, yes. But in gaming, no......

 

 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

 

What does that have to do with anything.....?

[The Sloth]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

What does that have to do with anything.....?

wrong video 

 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

wrong video 

Once again, does Jay compare it to the 6900K, no. Watch this instead, it has actual benchmarks:

 

[The Sloth]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Once again, does Jay compare it to the 6900K, no. Watch this instead, it has actual benchmarks:

 

 

i was showing a general performance, 1440p or it won't matter much, most of it is handled by the gpu. 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

i was showing a general performance, 1440p or it won't matter much, most of it is handled by the gpu. 

Yes, but this will not be the case in 1-2 years when more powerful GPUs will be released...

[The Sloth]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yes, but this will not be the case in 1-2 years when more powerful GPUs will be released...

1 to 2 years more cores will be used and most bugs will be fixed(hopefully) like the x99 platform did. it's impossible to future proof anything especially a 4 core 8 thread cpu. 

 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

most bugs will be fixed(hopefully) like the x99 platform did.

Ryzen's poor gaming performance cannot be attributed to bugs... It is an architectural issue... (Ryzen's CCXs)

1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

it's impossible to future proof anything especially a 4 core 8 thread cpu. 

Sure you can... Developers, don't seem to care about optimizing games for more cores...

[The Sloth]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Ryzen's poor gaming performance cannot be attributed to bugs... It is an architectural issue... (Ryzen's CCXs)

Sure you can... Developers, don't seem to care about optimizing games for more cores...

 

thankfully ps4 and Xbox one is helping with optimization for more cores, not sure about what you are talking about. we really can't predict what will happen in the future, few years ago i5 for all games not i7s are more prevalent especially with games like watchdog 2 and bf1. 

[CostcoSamples]

21 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Ryzen's poor gaming performance cannot be attributed to bugs... It is an architectural issue... (Ryzen's CCXs)

Sure you can... Developers, don't seem to care about optimizing games for more cores...

That's not true.  Not long ago the dual core was king of gaming.  Today, dual core is total garbage.  The gaming industry is heading toward multi-threading.

 

Edit:  Also, the latest APIs are heavily geared toward optimization. 

[PCGuy_5960]

17 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

thankfully ps4 and Xbox one is helping with optimization for more cores,

That's true. PS4 and Xbox one have 8 threads and most games use 8 threads....

17 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

especially with games like watchdog 2 and bf1. 

Battlefield 1 on Ryzen:

Watch_dogs 2 on Ryzen:

 

17 hours ago, CostcoSamples said:

That's not true.  Not long ago the dual core was king of gaming.  Today, dual core is total garbage.  The gaming industry is heading toward multi-threading.

 

Edit:  Also, the latest APIs are heavily geared toward optimization. 

17 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

thankfully ps4 and Xbox one is helping with optimization for more cores, not sure about what you are talking about. we really can't predict what will happen in the future, few years ago i5 for all games not i7s are more prevalent especially with games like watchdog 2 and bf1. 

The problem with Ryzen's gaming performance is not that games can't take advantage of multiple cores. The problem is that games USE multiple cores. Let me explain:

Ryzen is not a "simple" 8 core die, it is a single die with dual quad core CCXs. The latency between cores on different CCXs is very high compared to the latency between cores on the same CCX. (Almost 3x higher). This is from PCPer's article:

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While it was not our reason for performing this test, the results may provide a possible explanation for the relatively poor performance seen in some gaming workloads. Multithreaded media encoding and tests like Cinebench segment chunks of the workload across multiple threads. There is little inter-thread communication necessary as each chunk is sent back to a coordination thread upon completion. Games (and some other workloads we assume) are a different story as their threads are sharing a lot of actively changing data, and a game that does this heavily might incur some penalty if a lot of those communications ended up crossing between CCX modules. We do not yet know the exact impact this could have on any specific game, but we do know that communicating across Ryzen cores on different CCX modules takes twice as long as Intel's inter-core communication as seen in the examples above, and 2x the latency of anything is bound to have an impact.

So if games become more multithreaded, threads that belong to cores on different CCXs would have to communicate and this would cause performance issues. This issue can be fixed if games are optimized to use up to 8 threads that belong to cores that are on the same CCX, so that the exchange of data between CCXs can be avoided. Either way, Ryzen 7 is not a gaming CPU, even if AMD marketed it as one. It is an amazing CPU for productivity and heavy multitasking and this is what this CPU is meant for.

[The Sloth]

2 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

So if games become more multithreaded, threads that belong to cores on different CCXs would have to communicate and this would cause performance issues. This issue can be fixed if games are optimized to use up to 8 threads that belong to cores that are on the same CCX, so that the exchange of data between CCXs can be avoided. Either way, Ryzen 7 is not a gaming CPU, even if AMD marketed it as one. It is an amazing CPU for productivity and heavy multitasking and this is what this CPU is meant for.

 

yup, i agree other then light gaming or secondary gaming task ryzen should not be bought for gaming. 

[Princess Luna]

I wish the i7 7740k was out already, mmm Titan X Volta + i7 7740k, makes me drool.