US Vice President used private email account for sensitive info and got hacked

[Sakkura]

1 minute ago, ace_cheaply said:

Courts don't just declare laws unconstitutional unless they are under scrutiny, which the Logan act hasn't been because it hasn't been used in 200 years.  As soon as it is used, it will be.

There's no proof of that. In any case, your attempt at whataboutism failed.

[ace_cheaply]

5 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

@ace_cheaply

@ivan134

You lads are feeding me some conflicting information here

I believe the justice department spokehole over @ivan134 but that's just me.

[ivan134]

4 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

@ace_cheaply

@ivan134

You lads are feeding me some conflicting information here

On 1st view of that, my leaning is that person works the Trump's justice department and is trying to distract. Why would Jeff Sessions be asked about whether Trump's campaign met with anyone from Russia when Sessions wasn't part of the campaign? That's like me asking you what the color of my wall is. This is just going by the assumption that Sessions was never actually asked that question though. I'll try and find what the actual question was.

[ace_cheaply]

1 minute ago, Sakkura said:

There's no proof of that. In any case, your attempt at whataboutism failed.

Not to any unbiased observer.

[ivan134]

6 minutes ago, VirtusProFTW skin.trade said:

I thought you said he was a official for national defense at the time.  anyways its not illegal to meet with reps from other countries

No he wasn't. Sorry if my wording made it seem that way. And yes, it's called sedition. He was trying to undermime his own government.

[ace_cheaply]

Just now, ivan134 said:

On 1st view of that, my leaning is that person works the Trump's justice department and is trying to distract. Why would Jeff Sessions be asked about whether Trump's campaign met with anyone from Russia when Sessions wasn't part of the campaign? That's like me asking you what the color of my wall is. This is just going by the assumption that Sessions was never actually asked that question though. I'll try and find what the actual question was.

Sessions was the first senator to endorse Trump and was selected for As a security advisor in February 2016, and also stated he was a trump surrogate a time or two, so it makes sense to ask about the campaign.  It doesn't make sense to ask a foreign affairs comittee member if he has had contact with foreign offficials.

[Sakkura]

1 minute ago, ace_cheaply said:

Not to any unbiased observer.

You don't have any idea what an unbiased observer would think.

[TheSilverNiko]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

No he wasn't. Sorry if my wording made it seem that way. And yes, it's called sedition. He was trying to undermime his own government.

But you cant prove that. You cant prove his intent

[ace_cheaply]

Just now, ivan134 said:

He was trying to undermime his own government.

Not according to the fbi.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

Are you some higher authority with access to better info than them?  If so, why are you on ltt, you have more important things to do.

[TheSilverNiko]

2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

No he wasn't. Sorry if my wording made it seem that way. And yes, it's called sedition. He was trying to undermime his own government.

anyways i gotta go have a nice day

[ivan134]

9 minutes ago, ace_cheaply said:

Not according to the fbi

 

The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

Stay up to date please.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/national-security-adviser-flynn-discussed-sanctions-with-russian-ambassador-despite-denials-officials-say/2017/02/09/f85b29d6-ee11-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html?utm_term=.67553d1189ae

[ace_cheaply]

Just now, Sakkura said:

You don't have any idea what an unbiased observer would think.

And you do?  I know I provided examples of President elects using surrogates and talking to foreign governments before taking office and your only response is that it's not the same because those guys were on your side.

[ace_cheaply]

7 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Stay up to date please.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/national-security-adviser-flynn-discussed-sanctions-with-russian-ambassador-despite-denials-officials-say/2017/02/09/f85b29d6-ee11-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html?utm_term=.67553d1189ae

Oh, goodie, another nine unnamed "current and former government officials," yeah, just like always. 

 

Are you telling me the transcripts changed from December to now?

 

Anyway, from your own article:

 

"Several officials emphasized that while sanctions were discussed, they did not see evidence that Flynn had an intent to convey an explicit promise to take action after the inauguration."

 

Meaning...you guessed it, not illegal, not sedition.  And no different than Obama saying to a Russian ambassador "Tell vlad this is my last election, I'll have a lot more freedom once it's over," in the infamous hot Mic fiasco.

[ATFink]

2 hours ago, ivan134 said:

One extreme? LOL

Point out some benefits of destroying an ecosystem

Destroying an ecosystem for the sake of destroying an ecosystem? Less than none because it would cost money to destroy said ecosystem. Potentially harm an ecosystem for the sake of generating electricity? There is an argument to be made even if a poor one. You're twisting coal into something evil when it is instead just a dirty way to make electricity (for the air at least). In the modern era mining companies have to leave mining sites in a better condition than when they entered. Those mining pits have to be cleaned up in America or someone will face financial consequences. Often times companies (especially in the Great Plains region) will leave a mining site in an even better condition than when they arrived.

 

Although I agree that coal is a dirty way to generate electricity that doesn't negate the fact that it can generate electricity. People need electricity, so until other resources (like the sun and wind) are utilized on a large scale we will continue using dirty electricity (because it was historically cheaper and that's why that's the current infrastructure setup). If you want to do something about said destroyed ecosystems you can go volunteer for cleanup efforts, help develop brown sites to convert dirty land to clean land, or get solar panels to prevent yourself from using grid electricity. Until then please stop complaining because you are essentially talking about how horrible having electricity is. After all, you wouldn't be a keyboard warrior in this forum without electricity. Good luck in your future ventures.

[stconquest]

37 minutes ago, ace_cheaply said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/justice-departments-scrutiny-of-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-in-leak-case-draws-fire/2013/05/20/c6289eba-c162-11e2-8bd8-2788030e6b44_story.html

So the Obama Admin. seriously over-reached to try and punish a reporter that tried to coerce a state official into giving up some information.

 

Let's see how this relates to what the Trump admin does... it doesn't.  I trust what comes out of the MSM way more than what comes out of Trump's mouth... I do so because I try to be objective, not because I trust the major news outlets to a fault.

 

36 minutes ago, Prysin said:

i think that situation boils down to the fact that he made those promises before officially being in office (during transition period). During the transition period, the democrats were pushing hard for the inaguration to be halted in a moronic effort to stop trump from becoming president.

Yes, that is why he got into trouble.  I think Memories was more asking as to why this is a rule. 

 

I thought about it in the shower, where thinking is at peak quality of course, I could only come up with one reason:  A way to limit the motive for foreign nations to be invested in the outcome of a national/state election. 

 

Sakkura mentioned something about having a sitting administration being undermined by citizens.

 

Like I said, I really don't know why this is a law/rule.

[ivan134]

36 minutes ago, ace_cheaply said:

Oh, goodie, another nine unnamed "current and former government officials," yeah, just like always. 

 

Are you telling me the transcripts changed from December to now?

 

Anyway, from your own article:

 

"Several officials emphasized that while sanctions were discussed, they did not see evidence that Flynn had an intent to convey an explicit promise to take action after the inauguration."

 

Meaning...you guessed it, not illegal, not sedition.  And no different than Obama saying to a Russian ambassador "Tell vlad this is my last election, I'll have a lot more freedom once it's over," in the infamous hot Mic fiasco.

• Flynn has a history of being investigated for sharing classified info with foreign governements
• Flynn is a bigot who lets it clouds his judgement to the point where he thinks Islam, not just radical extremists, are a bigger threat to world peace than Russia's aggressions all over the globe at times when every other security personnel with more than a single digit IQ all over the world, and not just the U.S. thought otherwise
• Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the Russians
• People in Flynn's former job usually make getting to know our allies their 1st order of business. Instead he was being cozy with a country whom we had just imposed sanctions on

[ivan134]

22 minutes ago, ATFink said:

Destroying an ecosystem for the sake of destroying an ecosystem? Less than none because it would cost money to destroy said ecosystem. Potentially harm an ecosystem for the sake of generating electricity? There is an argument to be made even if a poor one. You're twisting coal into something evil when it is instead just a dirty way to make electricity (for the air at least). In the modern era mining companies have to leave mining sites in a better condition than when they entered. Those mining pits have to be cleaned up in America or someone will face financial consequences. Often times companies (especially in the Great Plains region) will leave a mining site in an even better condition than when they arrived.

 

Although I agree that coal is a dirty way to generate electricity that doesn't negate the fact that it can generate electricity. People need electricity, so until other resources (like the sun and wind) are utilized on a large scale we will continue using dirty electricity (because it was historically cheaper and that's why that's the current infrastructure setup). If you want to do something about said destroyed ecosystems you can go volunteer for cleanup efforts, help develop brown sites to convert dirty land to clean land, or get solar panels to prevent yourself from using grid electricity. Until then please stop complaining because you are essentially talking about how horrible having electricity is. After all, you wouldn't be a keyboard warrior in this forum without electricity. Good luck in your future ventures.

I'm really confused as to why people like putting words in my mouth.

[ATFink]

6 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

I'm really confused as to why people like putting words in my mouth.

Look, either I misread on of your comments or you edited it because I could SWORN I thought I saw you ask "name the benefits of using coal." My bad if I misread your comment, I couldn't find what I originally read.

 

I simply responded with why coal is used based on the question I thought you asked. It's used to employ thousands of people an generate electricity. Coal is not used to purposefully pollute (it's just a dirty source of energy as a byproduct).

[-TesseracT-]

2 hours ago, Memories4K said:

@ mods, am i allowed to call someone an autist?

Please don't, you can do better than that. Calling people autistic needs to stop.

[ivan134]

8 minutes ago, -TesseracT- said:

Please don't, you can do better than that. Calling people autistic needs to stop.

Gawsh, stop being PeeCee.

[ace_cheaply]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

• Flynn has a history of being investigated for sharing classified info with foreign governements
• Flynn is a bigot who lets it clouds his judgement to the point where he thinks Islam, not just radical extremists, are a bigger threat to world peace that Russia's aggressions all over the globe at times when every other security personnel with more than a single digit IQ all over the world, and not just the U.S. thought otherwise
• Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the Russians
• People in Flynn's former job usually make getting to know our allies their 1st order of business. Instead he was being cozy with a country whom we had just imposed sanctions on

And all of that means absolutely nothing when the evidence and those investigating the evidence say he did nothing wrong.

 

1) If I Tell the fbi you look at kiddie porn and they investigate it, that means you have a history of being investigated for kiddie porn.  So the next time someone calls and says you are still looking at kiddie porn automatically assumes your guilt.

 

2)Having a bad opinion about a religion in which hundreds of millions of people think it's ok to kill apostates, throw gays off rooftops, stone women to death for adultery or in some cases for being raped, and to honor kill women who they think will bring shame to the family is not bigotry, in my opinion.  It's recognizing unpleasant truth.

 

3)Flynn said they could talk about the sanctions after trump takes office.  That's a far cry from being a Russian puppet as @Sakkura has claimed.  He wasn't honest with pence, he got fired.  Still not illegal, still no evidence of a conspiracy.

 

4)He has no responsibity to choose one or another.  This is just a talking point to attack him.  Given that tensions were high between the previous administration and Russia, it's perfectly reasonable to want to improve relations with a Nuclear power.  

[Memories4K]

5 minutes ago, -TesseracT- said:

Please don't, you can do better than that. Calling people autistic needs to stop.

How do i better tell someone their behavior leads me to believe they have a developmental disorder where there is a deficiency in communication and social understanding on their end without being a meanie.

[-TesseracT-]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

Gawsh, stop being PeeCee.

Why? In what way is it acceptable to insult people by calling them autistic?

[Memories4K]

2 minutes ago, -TesseracT- said:

Why? In what way is it acceptable to insult people by calling them autistic?

He's memeing, he actually agrees with you but is mocking me by making me out to be some insensitive right-winger who "cares too much about free speech"

Thus, "gawsh stop being so peecee"

[stconquest]

4 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

He's memeing, he actually agrees with you but is mocking me by making me out to be some insensitive right-winger who "cares too much about free speech"

Thus, "gawsh stop being so peecee"

Being austistic is not necessarily a bad thing, using it as an insult is disingenuous. 

 

Tedsters (a member here) is autistic.  He is a model contributor to this forum (unlike myself)... when he is around.