Your thoughts on ryzen?

[19_blackie_73]

Price to performance is very good imo, the slightly lower gaming performance is worth it imo for more productivity. (as I also heavily take use of multithreading)

What are your thoughts on the launch?

It was overhyped, but not as bad as some people hoped  

 

Edited March 2, 2017 by 19_blackie_73
Edge did funky things... added info

[Daveeede]

It will depend on the user but I definitely think it has a spot on the market. 7700k will be the pure gaming champ for a while longer, but ryzen is interesting for video editors and people leveraging multi-thread processing. 

[Morgan MLGman]

I think there are still issues with the platform and tweaking the settings is an issue for reviewers, some reviews show great results beating Broadwell-E in both single and multithreaded performance same going for games, and some other reviews show gaming performance around an i5-7500

[19_blackie_73]

Just now, Daveeede said:

It will depend on the user but I definitely think it has a spot on the market. 7700k will be the pure gaming champ for a while longer, but ryzen is interesting for video editors and people leveraging multi-thread processing. 

Especially in my case I could use the extra threads as I am doing CAD and rendering stuff and don't game that often. Hopefully the cheaper chips aren't that bad with lower clocks either

[Guest Kloaked]

Looks fine for competing, but this memory bug is really dumb and should have been sorted out before launch.

[Daveeede]

Just now, 19_blackie_73 said:

Especially in my case I could use the extra threads as I am doing CAD and rendering stuff and don't game that often. Hopefully the cheaper chips aren't that bad with lower clocks either

I'm extremely interested in the single thread performance of the other r7's and r5 chips. If they are well behind the 1800x, this will not be as big a win for amd as most would think. Even CAD mostly uses a single core. 

[19_blackie_73]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

I think there are still issues with the platform and tweaking the settings is an issue for reviewers, some reviews show great results beating Broadwell-E in both single and multithreaded performance same going for games, and some other reviews show gaming performance around an i5-7500

well that's probably due to a complete new platform  

 

Just now, Kloaked said:

Looks fine for competing, but this memory bug is really dumb and should have been sorted out before launch.

that's true. I'm interested in how much memory speeds really improve ryzens performance

[Daveeede]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Looks fine for competing, but this memory bug is really dumb and should have been sorted out before launch.

Seems to be sporadic since Paul's Hardware ran tests at 2933 MHz.

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, 19_blackie_73 said:

that's true. I'm interested in how much memory speeds really improve ryzens performance

It probably won't do much for the tests LTT is running since they didn't bother measuring minimum and average frame rates in the games they benchmarked.

[19_blackie_73]

2 minutes ago, Daveeede said:

I'm extremely interested in the single thread performance of the other r7's and r5 chips. If they are well behind the 1800x, this will not be as big a win for amd as most would think. Even CAD mostly uses a single core. 

they are probably just the excess with non functioning parts on the 1800x  

but i really hope that's the case and intel wakes up and doesn't sell their stuff for such absurdely high prices anymore  (of course, amd should not fall asleep now for the next five years and keep pushing)

[JoeCoke]

It did great! Yeah it fell short in comparison with the 7700k in gaming, but this is a 8 core so ofc single threaded performance will be worse. The 1800x accomplished exactly what I hoped it would, comparable performance to a 6900k for half the price. I run VMs and game servers, and I also occasionally stream, so someone like me will benefit greatly from the 1800x.

 

But now, I'm curious to see if a 6/12 or 4/8 with higher clock speeds can catch up to the 7700k.. Things are looking bright so far!

 

So, was it over hyped? I dunno.. Depends on who you're talking about. Was it the second coming of Jesus? No, but it IS half the price for roughly the same performance, so in that sense I'd say it wasn't over hyped.

[JoeCoke]

8 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Looks fine for competing, but this memory bug is really dumb and should have been sorted out before launch.

Dude, it's a brand new architecture. There's usually always problems at the launch of new architectures, it'll be sorted out soon hopefully. Early adopters always deal with BS, but that's just how it is sadly.

[Pauli343]

There´s one thing that bothers me the most:

AMD is releasing an Processor witch targets (in my opinion) too many groups.

It wants to be CPU for Gamers, Hard Users and casuals but why?

If i want to build a pretty decent PC just for gaming i would go with an I7 4790k (i still don't understand why this beast vanished from every benchmark, I mean a standard boost frequency of 4.40 GHz is pretty fucking good and its prizes at a similar level as the new ryzen CPU ).

I understand it has "just" 4 Cores but as long as the big AAA titles are released on Consoles AND PC the games wont be using all cores available. And if you're honest how many costumers or friends do you have who does tasks that would need that many cores like video editing or rendering (i personally know none).

That´s my thought on the new Ryzen

 

[manikyath]

as a "petty much all intel/nvidia person" with only one product remaining alive outside of that (i'm deeming my athlon 64 dead here, it still posts, but the mobo squirts capacitor juice everywhere), i have to say i'm impressed with the performance per dollar side of things ESPECIALLY for the livestream / multithread folks.

 

ryzen is defenately gonna appear into my recommendations on this forum for those who suit it, but for me the single threaded performance just matters slightly too much to consider the platform, and i'm looking forward to what intel will come up with to battle it.

 

as a TLDR it's probably gonna be this: i'm happy to see a truly competitive product out of AMD, but i fear for the future, as a lot of things warn *me* for a second round of FX where AMD had something great, and just milked it into oblivion.

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, 2Buck said:

Dude, it's a brand new architecture. There's usually always problems at the launch of new architectures, it'll be sorted out soon hopefully. Early adopters always deal with BS, but that's just how it is sadly.

I am 100% aware of this. However, this seems like something crucial to how Ryzen is supposed to work and should have been caught and fixed. I'd even wager that they knew about it and released this stuff anyways.

 

I hope reviewers go back and redo their "benchmarks" whenever this is sorted out in a bios update.

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, Pauli343 said:

and casuals

casuals?

 

since when do casuals buy more than a dell office critter?

[JoeCoke]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

I am 100% aware of this. However, this seems like something crucial to how Ryzen is supposed to work and should have been caught and fixed. I'd even wager that they knew about it and released this stuff anyways.

 

I hope reviewers go back and redo their "benchmarks" whenever this is sorted out in a bios update.

Of course they knew and released it anyway. It's kinda slimey, but that's just how it works I guess. And yeah, I really hope we get new benchmarks in a few months, because I'm pretty sure it'll perform better after some BIOS updates, but how much better is what I'm dying to know.

[Pauli343]

Just now, manikyath said:

casuals?

 

since when do casuals buy more than a dell office critter?

You can clearly see that AMD is trying to get "high end" performance to the every day user by pushing the prizes of their chips to an "affordable" level.

And the casual casuals (:´D) they are buying HPs Office PCs

[19_blackie_73]

Just now, 2Buck said:

Of course they knew and released it anyway. It's kinda slimey, but that's just how it works I guess. And yeah, I really hope we get new benchmarks in a few months, because I'm pretty sure it'll perform better after some BIOS updates, but how much better is what I'm dying to know.

probably one of the reasons they released it with the bug is that they coudn't solve it that fast and they can't change the set date for release

[Indus Monk]

My thoughts are:

 

They did very good. They may not have given thew 6900k a bleeding nose, but they did good in Price per $ sector

 

now they have to do this all over again in another year or so

[JoeCoke]

Just now, 19_blackie_73 said:

probably one of the reasons they released it with the bug is that they coudn't solve it that fast and they can't change the set date for release

Very likely.

[JoeCoke]

1 minute ago, AmbarChakrabarti said:

My thoughts are:

 

They did very good. They may not have given thew 6900k a bleeding nose, but they did good in Price per $ sector

 

now they have to do this all over again in another year or so

Well, considering the 6900k is double the price but only slightly better, I'd say the 6900k has a lot more than a bleeding nose.

[19_blackie_73]

Just now, AmbarChakrabarti said:

now they have to do this all over again in another year or so

yeah, let's hope so. We don't need another bulldozer 2.0

[19_blackie_73]

One of the things that will be interesting is if intel starts to change their way of releasing and positioning stuff. I don't think they can stay any longer at the level of only 4c/8t for the consumer and releasing their top chips for 1700$ or more for the 10c/20t or the rumoured 12c/24t cpu. they probably should put a least 6c/12t on the "consumer" level for way more affordable prices. And tbh: no one really needs the gimmicks of the x99 chipsets and ryzen did it the right way IMO with focusing on the important bits and pieces and leaving the gimmick out of the focus

[manikyath]

10 minutes ago, Pauli343 said:

You can clearly see that AMD is trying to get "high end" performance to the every day user by pushing the prizes of their chips to an "affordable" level.

And the casual casuals (:´D) they are buying HPs Office PCs

i'd rather say they are showing intel that their prices on the high end are bloated to hell