I7 upgrade

[Dogsparky]

I don't really care about waiting for ryzen i wont need the 8 cores just simply want to for for  better performer for a but more multitasking though it might bite me later for not going ryzen.

 

But i want to got for an i7 i am using a 6600k using a Msi gaming m5 z170a, and was wondering if it would be worth it to switch to z270 it just get a 6700k vs a 7700k?

[Droidbot]

You should be able to drop a 7700k in your current board if you update it's BIOS. Go to the MSI website and look for a BIOS update tool for your board. 

 

[DocSwag]

What GPU do you have? Since most likely an i7 isn't worth the upgrade.

[COUPER MILLAR]

It's only a 5-10% performance boost. Save your money. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, COUPER MILLAR said:

It's only a 5-10% performance boost.

You cereal??

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[Drak3]

Since you already have a Z170 and 6th gen i5, you don't need to buy a Z270 mainboard to use the 7700K. You'd have to update the BIOS for your mainboard to a BIOS version that supports the 7700K.

 

Also, if you're just gaming, an upgrade isn't worth the cost yet. That 6600K should do fine for some time. You can always look into moderate overclocking and bumping the speed up to 4 to 4.2 GHz or so.

[COUPER MILLAR]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

You cereal??

My bad I thought it said he had a 6700k. The single thread performance still shouldn't be too different though. 

[The Sloth]

get the i7 7700k with a bios update, its worth the upgrade. 

[Dogsparky]

9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Since you already have a Z170 and 6th gen i5, you don't need to buy a Z270 mainboard to use the 7700K. You'd have to update the BIOS for your mainboard to a BIOS version that supports the 7700K.

 

Also, if you're just gaming, an upgrade isn't worth the cost yet. That 6600K should do fine for some time. You can always look into moderate overclocking and bumping the speed up to 4 to 4.2 GHz or so.

I am seeing FPS drops with all cores nearing 100% in BF1 with a over clock to 4.5ghz on my 6600k and i don't really want to try a 7th gen in z170 just simply because i don't want to take a chance with anything

[Streetguru]

27 minutes ago, Dogsparky said:

I don't really care about waiting for ryzen i wont need the 8 cores just simply want to for for  better performer for a but more multitasking though it might bite me later for not going ryzen.

 

But i want to got for an i7 i am using a 6600k using a Msi gaming m5 z170a, and was wondering if it would be worth it to switch to z270 it just get a 6700k vs a 7700k?

It's going to be a waste of money upgrading from an i5 to an i7, all you get is 50% more multi-threaded performance

 

Going to Ryzen 1700 you get 8c/16t, for a far bigger jump overall

It's only 4 days away

[Dogsparky]

10 minutes ago, COUPER MILLAR said:

My bad I thought it said he had a 6700k. The single thread performance still shouldn't be too different though. 

I am seeing FPS drops with all 4 cores nearing 100% in BF1, no other programs open but steam and want to be able to do a little more than just game, want to have other programs open at the same time as well.

 

But what i am torn about is since i don't want to try 7th gen in a z170 motherboard since i updated the bios people say i need the 1c version and it won't let me go past 1a i think it was, i will need to check but it wasnt the most recent version if going to the z270 platform with a 7700k over just getting a 6700k would be any difference 

[Dogsparky]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

It's going to be a waste of money upgrading from an i5 to an i7, all you get is 50% more multi-threaded performance

 

Going to Ryzen 1700 you get 8c/16t, for a far bigger jump overall

It's only 4 days away

I don't need to the 16 threads though, and don't want to get a whole new platform if i don't have to, i am trying to figure out the difference between the 6700k over the 7700k in terms of performance while gaming and doing other things at the same time, considering my i5 cant play my favorite game right now with it hitting 100 percent on all cores then the 6600k right now is in fact not enough 

[The Sloth]

1 minute ago, Dogsparky said:

I don't need to the 16 threads though, and don't want to get a whole new platform if i don't have to, i am trying to figure out the difference between the 6700k over the 7700k in terms of performance while gaming and doing other things at the same time, considering my i5 cant play my favorite game right now with it hitting 100 percent on all cores then the 6600k right now is in fact not enough 

 

6 core ryzen? with a good overclock you will see a boost. 

[Dogsparky]

1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

6 core ryzen? with a good overclock you will see a boost. 

That still isn't what i am asking, i will go to reddit, since no one here apparently liked to answer peoples questions and like to just make random ass suggestions 

[Streetguru]

15 minutes ago, Dogsparky said:

i am trying to figure out the difference between the 6700k over the 7700k in terms of performance while gaming and doing other things at the same time

The difference is practically nothing, the only difference is that the 7700K can hit 5ghz on average

 

It's simply not worth upgrading though, you're going from 4 cores /4 threads, to 4 cores / 8 threads

 

instead of the much larger jump to 8 cores / 16 threads for the same CPU price anyways in the R7 1700

 

Having 8 real cores is going to get you more performance than simply having hyperthreading in games that use 8 threads, won't know for sure until the benchmarks come out in 4 days or so

 

In addition did you check CPU benchmarks? Because the i7s aren't much faster than the i5

[Zodiark1593]

Unless you can get nearly full price from your i5, I wouldn't bother. Even with Ryzen, you'd still need a new platform, a pricy investment, both financial, and time-wise.

 

The 7700K is virtually identical to the 6700K, performance - wise, though it can clock a bit faster. With a BIOS update, you can keep your motherboard.

 

Hyperthreading can improve performance in certain applications depending on how they're coded (for all intents and purposes, an i5 and i7 are identical from a pure raw performance perspective, hyperthreading simply allows better utilization). As said, unless you can get nearly full price from selling the i5, the benefit for the cost is dubious at best. In some games, the minimums are better, though you'd need to weigh this benefit to the price you'd pay. 

 

If you were doing more intensive tasks, I'd suggest Ryzen. For gaming only, I'd probably stay put. 

[Dogsparky]

3 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Unless you can get nearly full price from your i5, I wouldn't bother. Even with Ryzen, you'd still need a new platform, a pricy investment, both financial, and time-wise.

 

The 7700K is virtually identical to the 6700K, performance - wise, though it can clock a bit faster. With a BIOS update, you can keep your motherboard.

 

Hyperthreading can improve performance in certain applications depending on how they're coded (for all intents and purposes, an i5 and i7 are identical from a pure raw performance perspective, hyperthreading simply allows better utilization). As said, unless you can get nearly full price from selling the i5, the benefit for the cost is dubious at best. In some games, the minimums are better, though you'd need to weigh this benefit to the price you'd pay. 

 

If you were doing more intensive tasks, I'd suggest Ryzen. For gaming only, I'd probably stay put. 

What do mean full price, just because someone is buying new stuff doesnt mean they have to sell the old

[Dogsparky]

Just now, Aleksiandrovich said:

You said you didn't want to go with a new platform due to the price, either way, you going Z270 vs going ryzen is going to be just as expensive and if you don't sell your old chip, it becomes even more expensive, but then again you didn't mention your budget / financial situation in which we can help you properly or more so than we currently are.

PS: Don't say "i'll go to reddit because no one is helping", we are trying to help, don't want our help then don't make posts asking for help and find someone else, maybe reddit.

I never said anything about money

[Dogsparky]

1 minute ago, Aleksiandrovich said:

You said you didn't want to go with a new platform due to the price, either way, you going Z270 vs going ryzen is going to be just as expensive and if you don't sell your old chip, it becomes even more expensive, but then again you didn't mention your budget / financial situation in which we can help you properly or more so than we currently are.

PS: Don't say "i'll go to reddit because no one is helping", we are trying to help, don't want our help then don't make posts asking for help and find someone else, maybe reddit.

And i didn't ask for the help you are giving me, i asked for 6700k vs z270 7700k which will perform better when i am multitasking and editing and playing games that can use more threads not should i wait for ryzen in which you guys say "wait for ryzen"

[Zodiark1593]

19 minutes ago, Dogsparky said:

What do mean full price, just because someone is buying new stuff doesnt mean they have to sell the old

Fairly important detail to leave leave out. By default, we look for solutions that consider performance improvements alongside costs. I'd assume the reason why isn't wasted on you, but just in case I'm wrong, the fact you're arguing 6700K vs the 7700K and new mobo tells me budget is, at least, a mild consideration. 

 

My suggestions stand. 

 

 

 

 

[JoostinOnline]

4 minutes ago, Dogsparky said:

And i didn't ask for the help you are giving me, i asked for 6700k vs z270 7700k which will perform better when i am multitasking and editing and playing games that can use more threads not should i wait for ryzen in which you guys say "wait for ryzen"

A 6700K and a 7700K are pretty much identical. I'd get the Skylake one and save some money. 

 

The reason people are saying wait for Ryzen is because you'll get twice the cores and threads. 

[Dogsparky]

4 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

A 6700K and a 7700K are pretty much identical. I'd get the Skylake one and save some money. 

 

The reason people are saying wait for Ryzen is because you'll get twice the cores and threads. 

But the point is i don't need that, i see a difference between cost and worth, i see it is worth it to go for what i need not anything more

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, Dogsparky said:

But the point is i don't need that, i see a difference between cost and worth, i see it is worth it to go for what i need not anything more

The problem is it is cheaper...

[Moress]

8 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

A 6700K and a 7700K are pretty much identical. I'd get the Skylake one and save some money. 

 

The reason people are saying wait for Ryzen is because you'll get twice the cores and threads. 

Going off of this. What you want the upgrade for is exactly what Ryzen chips are built for, productivity.
Also, don't get pissy just because we aren't feeding you the response you want OP.

I7s are a waste when you have an I5. If you insist on going with an I7 go with a 6700k. If you want to see an actual improvement in productivity go with Ryzen. 

[Moress]

5 minutes ago, Dogsparky said:

But the point is i don't need that, i see a difference between cost and worth, i see it is worth it to go for what i need not anything more

What are you even talking about now?