Microsoft: "Play the games, not the resolution"

[MzCatieB]

tbh, Xbox is an entertainment System that plays games, Playstation4 is just a Game console, if you want Games and to get your details hacked every year or 2, get a PS4, if you want an entertainment system that everyone can use easily that plays games and does TV get a Xbox one.

either way Steam Box will blow both out of the water with little effort

[mgsstar]

So sooner or later they will be expecting us to play at low resolutions on consoles because the games are too demanding. Even though the game is enjoyable, it won't be that enjoyable due to its low frame rates and resolution.

[EChondo]

So sooner or later they will be expecting us to play at low resolutions on consoles because the games are too demanding. Even though the game is enjoyable, it won't be that enjoyable due to its low frame rates and resolution.

So, how would you feel to play at 640x360? I mean, 720p upscaled to 1080p only has subtle differences, right? So 360p upscaled to 1080p shouldn't have anything wrong right?

[unknown566]

 

But the fact that some launch titles are running at lower resolution than their PS4 counterparts sure proves that Xbox One is "less powerful" than its competitor. Right? Well, Spencer disagrees.

 

"Power is a subjective term," he mused. We look at all of the capabilities we put in the box, our investment in cloud, Kinect, and all-in-one entertainment, and our investment in the operating system for fast task-switching."

 

"We think we've built a very powerful system. I don't think there's any one vector of power that you can focus on and say we win because this number is bigger than that number. It's like a car. Is it horsepower? Is it torque? There's a bunch of things that you look at to see what it's capable of."

 

 

 

haha, this part of the post made me think, so basically he was arguing that Xbone was not any "less powerful".. it's more we built it with other factors in mind like watching dvds and stuff. Not pro gamer. Anyone with a sensible enough mind after hearing that should know gamers are no longer in their best interests. (Remember that NFL commercial?)

[unknown566]

tbh, Xbox is an entertainment System that plays games, Playstation4 is just a Game console, if you want Games and to get your details hacked every year or 2, get a PS4, if you want an entertainment system that everyone can use easily that plays games and does TV get a Xbox one.

either way Steam Box will blow both out of the water with little effort

well tbh, the hacking part seems unfair. You don't know that microsoft is not having the same issues and not disclosing it. The Playstation network has been known for its strict security and also the aftermath (huge lawsuits), which is essentially honeypot to hackers. we'll see about the steam box (I'm anticipating it but I'm not sure how status-quo changing it will be).

[nicehat]

haha, this part of the post made me think, so basically he was arguing that Xbone was not any "less powerful".. it's more we built it with other factors in mind like watching dvds and stuff. Not pro gamer. Anyone with a sensible enough mind after hearing that should know gamers are no longer in their best interests. (Remember that NFL commercial?)

 

Yep just as Slick said on the WAN show, they have abandoned gamers a bit to jab at the rest of the living room. If they had an entertainment mode and a gamer mode that could be toggled, they might have the best of both worlds. 

[unknown566]

Yep just as Slick said on the WAN show, they have abandoned gamers a bit to jab at the rest of the living room. If they had an entertainment mode and a gamer mode that could be toggled, they might have the best of both worlds. 

 it just makes me sick, because everything is going towards that direction. Material wise it is probably good (eco friendly), since you don't have to buy multiple machines to do different tasks. But that would just mean I am stuck to one thing the whole time. Tablets are basically a computer and phone hybrid. And it does pretty much what your tv would do. Will there come a time when tablets replace phone and pc? 

[Yoinkerman]

I'd rather play 720p that looks good than 1080p with more of the jaggy texture popping disgusting unfiltered mess that console games are right now.

[LAwLz]

"Power is a subjective term," he mused. We look at all of the capabilities we put in the box, our investment in cloud, Kinect, and all-in-one entertainment, and our investment in the operating system for fast task-switching."

You heard it here first folks. Power is a subjective term. The 780 Ti is not more powerful than the GT 620, because "powerful" is subjective.

What a load of bullshit... The whole "play the games before saying anything" is just a way for them to delay the inevitable truth that the Xbone isn't really that powerful. It's not even as powerful as what I'd consider a mid-range gaming PC. It makes me sad that consoles will hold back PC gaming yet again. Hell they are already holding it back by making games console exclusive even though they use the same damn hardware as regular desktop computers uses.

Desktop hardware is still evolving pretty rapidly (just compare the GTX 480 against the Nvidia Titan, there is a 3 years difference between those cards, and the performance difference is huge so I am not buying the whole "the evolution of hardware is slowing down" argument) and they expect them to last 10 years?

10 years ago, a really high end computer for several thousands of dollars had these kinds of specs:

Intel Pentium 4 at 2.8GHz (that's a single core CPU with roughly the same IPC as the last gen Atom processors).

512MB of DDR RAM at 400MHz.

120GB HDD.

Radeon 9800 PRO graphics card with 128MB of video memory.

 

 

So if everything continues like it has done for the last 10 years (hard to say if it will or not) then near the end of the Xbone's and PS4's lifecycles your current desktop would be like having the computer I posted above today, aka really horrible and can barely do anything.

[geogga]

And that's why all of us are on PCs.

[nicehat]

Will there come a time when tablets replace phone and pc? 

 

My thoughts are that the tablet is a interim solution to something big thats on the way. People want PCs to be small, sleek, mobile and responsive. They also want to interact with the PC directly instead of through a middleman (mouse keyboard). The solution to that right now is a tablet. But it lacks the raw horsepower of its big brother PC. So something else is on the way. I personally envision a Minority Report style holographic device, but thats a ways off. 

[EChondo]

So if everything continues like it has done for the last 10 years (hard to say if it will or not) then near the end of the Xbone's and PS4's lifecycles your current desktop would be like having the computer I posted above today, aka really horrible and can barely do anything.

That's both scary and sad at the same time

 

Yeah the current hardware isn't going to live long. I give it about 3-5 years before it's completely obsolete. Hell, maybe even sooner than that.

[ACatWithThumbs]

 

"We think we've built a very powerful system. I don't think there's any one vector of power that you can focus on and say we win because this number is bigger than that number. It's like a car. Is it horsepower? Is it torque? There's a bunch of things that you look at to see what it's capable of."

 

 

Yep so powerfull the R9-290X beats your system by 5x times and that before Release.

Next Year with Maxwell it will be even worse and that 1 Year after release.

3 Years after release we will have Volta wich could easy be 10x times the power of the XboxOne.

And what comes then in 5-7 Years after launch PC will probably have Real Time Ray Tracing.

And by then we could already have DX12 when not even DX13.

I just hope that SteamOS hits like a bomb that we don't get held back by consoles once again, because it will be worse this Gen.

 

[That Norwegian Guy]

Haha this cracks me up, bunch of comedians at MS and Sony.

[beebskadoo]

Yep so powerfull the R9-290X beats your system by 5x times and that before Release.

Next Year with Maxwell it will be even worse and that 1 Year after release.

3 Years after release we will have Volta wich could easy be 10x times the power of the XboxOne.

And what comes then in 5-7 Years after launch PC will probably have Real Time Ray Tracing.

And by then we could already have DX12 when not even DX13.

I just hope that SteamOS hits like a bomb that we don't get held back by consoles once again, because it will be worse this Gen.

 

Steam Machines are the answer. If they could just optimize the games better than I'm completely sold!

[Guest]

I like comedy movies too OP!

Wait.....somebody just told me this is real? D:

Seriously, my poo could display 1080p at this point.

[GoodBytes]

Sooooo, when it's Nintendo, "The specs sucks! the specs suck! Don't buy a WiiU", but when it's Microsoft "It's the game play that mater not the graphics/resolution"...

Microsoft choices are either:

 A- Pull a miracle

 B- Be like Nintendo, and be different

 C- Price war, like the GameCube/PS2/XBox generation, where the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2, yet had to play price war, with a console price of 99$ to get sales going.

[silencerbob]

such a shame xbox1 went this way.. sure they are making money *on each console sold* unlike before when they would make a loss on each console sold..... seems like a half assed, cash grab business decision all along

 

for shame MS

[GooDBoY920]

I'm interested to see what will happen to consoles after ~2-3 years from now. The mobile hardware is catching up fast in performance wise.

[jrfox87]

Seems to me that these new consoles are pretty much brewing up a perfect storm for something like SteamOS to come in and completely change the landscape of gaming as a whole.

[ManOfDisguise]

Another great excuse for Microsoft that many Xbox fanboys will use in their stupid debates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TV,TV,TV,TV,TV,SPORTS,SPORTS,COD,COD,TV,TV,TV!

[Exotath]

Meanwhile in the PC World....

 

[The Last MeMe]

Lol so true

[gill2k]

Sooooo, when it's Nintendo, "The specs sucks! the specs suck! Don't buy a WiiU", but when it's Microsoft "It's the game play that mater not the graphics/resolution"...

Microsoft choices are either:

 A- Pull a miracle

 B- Be like Nintendo, and be different

 C- Price war, like the GameCube/PS2/XBox generation, where the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2, yet had to play price war, with a console price of 99$ to get sales going.

 

I have to agree with this.  Watch the hypocrisy of the gaming media in full force and sweep this aspect of the console under the rug.

[Guest]

'Coolkingler1: I will play the games, not on the Xbox One'